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I have a custom rifle I got second hand, built on a Remington 700 action. It’s in a magnum caliber which means the riveted extractor. While the 700 doesn’t bother me like some, the lack of ability to field service the riveted extractor does. For those of you that hunt with a Remington 700, have you ever broken an extractor while out hunting? ____________________________ If you died tomorrow, what would you have done today ... 2018 Zimbabwe - Tuskless w/ Nengasha Safaris 2011 Mozambique - Buffalo w/ Mashambanzou Safaris | ||
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I have 6 Rem 700 rifles in calibres from 243 up to the 338 Rum. Dragged them around on horseback, in and out of boats, on ski-doos and 4 wheelers.Haven't been very nice to a couple of them. All are glass bedded and most have synth stocks.All wear good glass. I have never broken an extractor and I have never had trigger issues. They may not always be my first choice on a hunt but I usually have a 700 along as a backup. | |||
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Personally I've never had one fail hunting or range shooting. It only matters if you miss. | |||
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I have never seen a broken extractor on a Remington 700. In my former career, I saw Remington 700's get used (and at times abused) for tens of thousands of rounds. I never saw any mechanical failures on those rifles. I did see more than one fire when the bolt was closed (trigger not touched). However, in every case, someone had done an improper trigger adjustment. Safe shooting............Larry | |||
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I've been hunting with a 700 as long as there has been a 700. Like others, in an assortment of flavors, up to and including a 8mm Mag. I've never had an extractor fail, nor a bolt handle fall off, nor any sort of trigger problem. This would amount to somewhere between 25 and 30 rifles. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Had one go off when bolt was moved--Not sure if trigger had been worked on--someone elses gun. | |||
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Define "broken" On two separate occasions I have had them fail to extract a fired factory round. Both were easily removed and the chamber was clean. Also have a friend who came home with a fired case stuck in his rifle but his showed some rust in the chamber. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I've only had to replace one of the riveted style.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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I got a Rem 700 308 in 1962. It has the riveted extractor. It was my only hunting rifle for several years and went with me on trips from California to Alaska to Maine to Georgia. In addition to hunting, for the last thirty years it has served as a demonstrator for "bolt-action centerfire" in the hunter education classes that I teach for Dept of Fish & Wildlife. During that time it has been handled (loaded/unloaded with dummy ammo, carried on a field course) by well over a thousand students and a few other club-fisted instructors. Firing the rifle for HE courses has been stopped due to the states risk-management policy, however for about 20 years included as part of the field course was a live fire range where each student would get to fire the rifle 3-5 times. This included handloaded ammo with reduced loads (about 30-30 ballistics). So the rifle has clearly been used and some would say abused. The extractor has never "broken" however it has had times where it didn't extract the chambered cartridge. Investigation showed that in every occurrence the problem was the bolt not being turned completely closed. Since the bolt needs to be completely closed for the rifle to fire, this fail to extract never occurred when the shooter actually fired the rifle - only when they were cycling dummy cartridges, or in the case of my cousin, when he was cycling live ammo out of the magazine when he was unloading it after a hunt. I would not be worried about the extractor breaking while in the field. Just make sure that you close the bolt sufficiently to snap the extractor over the cartridge rim. | |||
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I've never broken an extractor on a Remington but I've only been shooting them since 1975. I have broken two bolt handles, one on a 788 and one on a 700. The 788 tore the bolt body coming off and the braze on the 700 failed. I don't think that I'm that hard on bolt handles as I've never broken any other brand and my match guns and regular hunting guns get used a lot more than my Remingtons do. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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A couple of weeks ago I was shooting my old M700 that I have had since 1971. I had fired 2-3 shots and as usual no problem. One more shot and the bolt was difficult to open. I applied more force and it opened and also the extractor broke. No idea what happened. The load out of the 270 was 140 grain SST bullet and 58 grains of H4831. Now I have to find someone to install new extractor. | |||
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My mother had one that refused to go from safe to fire. She lowered the rifle with it still on safe and lifted the bolt and it fired. I was standing there and saw it. We have had 5 model 700s in our family. That was the only rifle that ever did that. But the Remington's going off were not a myth. Maybe rare , but not a myth. | |||
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I would imagine the 700 extractor would be more likely to break (and the rifle possibly suffer an AD) if put under stress such as slamming the bolt closed under certain hunting conditions e.g facing an escaping animal or facing a charge if on DG safari, the latter just when you don't want a broken extractor. Normal operating of the bolt when shooting on the range or when loading a cartridge to take a shot on game when there is no rush is going to be easier on any suspect extractor or trigger mechanism. | |||
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No. Never broke one never saw one broke. Never broke a bolt either. A friend's did fire once when he took it off safe. Turns out it was his dad's and he hadn't touched the rifle (or cleaned it) in 20 years so the trigger could be excused. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I've only had 3 Rem 700s. Two in 7mm RM and one in .375 RUM. All have been on hunts in Africa at least once, and the two 7 mms have each been on Canadian hunts, along with hunts here at home in Montana. I have NEVER had any problem with any of these rifles -- triggers, extractors, bolts, or anything else. The .375 RUM is the rifle in my avatar. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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Had a 22-250 VLS that was difficult to chamber as the extractor wasn't fully seated in the groove. It protruded far enough that the case head hung up on the edge of the extractor. I think I was able to re-peen the rivet and get it to stay where it belonged. Shoot straight, shoot often. Matt | |||
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Currently only have seven 700 type rifles. All problems with 700's or XP100's had to do directly with Bubba trigger jobs. All this was in the distant past. | |||
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2006--2014 8 year period of Remington 700's being recalled---sounds like more than just a rumor or remote situation. | |||
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NO....and even my M-721 in .300 H&H is still working perfect /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Once I saw a 98 Mauser where the extractor claw was broker off. As an average owner I have not seen a broken extractor or bolt handle fall off 700's. The only trigger failures I have personally seen had to do with tampering. | |||
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Hunted with a 700 for almost 30 years and have friends who use same. Never had one or heard of one breaking in the field. | |||
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Over the course of the last forty years I've owned 14 700's and 2 721's.There was a 243 that had a bad barrel and went back to the factory and one trigger on a 7MM Mag that you couldn't adjust lighter than 5 pounds. Other than that I've had zero problems with any Remingtons I've owned let alone an extractor breaking in the field. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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See Lesson #6 Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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So much so for reliability !  My Remington Sendero model 700 7mmS STW ( First one to be imported into South Africa and featured in Man Magnum magazine under article title " 7mm lightning bolt" bolt handle came off after firing as i opened the bolt then Dr Colin Angelo a friend of mine bought one after I got mine. His Sendero lost it's bolt while he was hunting Blesbuck and black Wildebeest . The hunt and incident with photographs was covered in Man Magnum magazine | |||
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I dunno, what do we think the total number of bolt handles coming off is 100? out of 5 million plus rifles. That would be 2/1000 of 1 % failure rate. Pretty reliable in my opinion. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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huh ? Really ? you consider a bolt falling of trivial or insignificant ? hmmmmmm No , Hell no ! i dont care if they build 5 million more ! spring breaking or a lemon here and there one can accept but a structural failure in something as simple as a bolt handle coming off is a definite negative in my book ! | |||
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Significance and reliability are two different things. Many extremely reliable devices incur the rare significant failure. Are we to assume that everything you have ever done, managed, or been responsible for in your profession was executed flawlessly and there was never a single error in any of the work product under your domain? or if there was the rare error at the rate of 1 part per 50000 would it been appropriate to deem your work unreliable? Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Without belabouring the point: This is not a case of work done on a infinitely variable living organism , this is a case of quality control of a relatively simple mechanical device ! This is sadly representative of many mass produced American guns today. You must understand that in some parts of the world licencing restrictions and access to after market care is very very onerous on the buyer and having a gun where a major structural defect occurs you now have to negotiate the almost impossible pathway to getting restitution or a fix for the problem ! In the USA you simply pop the broken gun in the post and they send it back repaired or in many cases simply a replacement ! This does not occur when you buy the same rifle on other countries ! I have had to opportunity to visit the Sauer factory in Germany and the one thing that stood out above all was the attention to detail at every step and finally at final testing and testing by a their very senior "Master gunsmith" this dude took his job and title very very seriously ! | |||
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I am glad you brought up Sig Sauer because it reminds me of the ~15% reject rate we had at the Sheriff's department on a shipment of about 100 of their 226's in the early 2000s because of malfunctions caused by the factory installing the wrong extractor. A thorough function test would have discovered the failure. Based on that I guess, I should write Sig Sauer reliability Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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No not SIG Sauer pistols built in the USA but Sauer rifles built at their factory in Isny im Allgäu, Germany ear the Bodensee close to the border with Switzerland. Every rifle was checked shot and went through the hands of this master of masters. They really paid this overseer respect and well earned at that ! | |||
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So we are supposed to be impressed and hold up Sig Sauer as a model company because they produce good rifles in Europe but do not extend these wonderful quality control operations when they produce handguns in the US? Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I don't say that Remington's are junk, there are to many millions of them out there that work fine. Until the last 20 years they were the most accurate, mass produced rifles made and I still own one. I just don't take it for any serious hunting. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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I have had one break; a .223 and the load was really hot. I had one bolt fail but I will say it took a lot of beating trying to get the bolt open with hot loads, back when I was younger and though velocity ruled the roost. I will say this: a 700 normally extracts the case or rips the rim off it, whereas a CRF Win 70 extractor will pop off the rim without extracting. I love Savage rifles but their extractor leaves a bit to be desired as a somewhat hot load will fail to extract. But there is a common theme to all of my woes, whether it is 700, CRF, or Savage: the loads were too hot. | |||
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I bought my first one in 1976. It was built in 1962. I still have it and use it. I have never had an extractor fail on any of them. | |||
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I was in the repair business for 25 years and did a lot of work for all of the gun shops in the area. I replaced one extractor on a 760 one time and a 700 one time. the 760 chamber was so pitted that the case had to eventually be pounded out with a steel rod but he got the bolt open at the range when the extractor broke. the 700 had just been reblued and the bolt was completely dipped at the same time. I also sold a 700 extractor to a fellow on another forum who told me his also broke after a recent reblue also. I don't know what the issue really is but two after being reblued for me is a trend. | |||
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I have had failures of model 700 extractors on numerous occasions. It is a very weak design, prone to malfunction. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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To me the massive recalls is more than a trend. | |||
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I have broken three remington 700 extractors . They were new guns about 1981 versions. Two broke out at the range the day before the hunt, not the same year, and one broke after I fired and killed a doe. Luckily the deer was dead. They were handloads. mid power loads. I had fired each gun approx 100 shots before with no evidence of pressure. After the extractors were replaced I have had no additional problems in the next approximately 35 years | |||
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I have witnessed three of them fail in NRA Hi-Power matches. These were on guns in the early and mid-1990's, back before the quality really fell off on the whole Remington line. Save yourself the problem and have a Sako extractor fitted. Rule #6 rifles are not the same as WalMart special's. If Remington still built them all of them to the USMC & US Army standards, then the newer ones would not have the bad reputation that they have developed. | |||
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Maybe you are not aware of the Sako's failures in the 700s. The Sako extractor is aligned with the right hand raceway on a RH 700. People have been severely injured and blinded in some cases. If you don't like the Remington extractor, install a M16 extractor. Yes, I have a friend that was injured when this happened. His girlfriend is left handed and shoots his rifles. It would have penetrated her eye or skull. | |||
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