What would you do? and why.

I have too many .3006 rifles and have a .338 Win mag already and was looking for something a bit different with a bit less recoil(next batch of .338 ammo will be downloaded a few grains.)


I feel the need or a .35 for a bigger bore rifle.

I was wondering about the recoil of both compared to the .3006 I dont mind a little more but not as much as the .340 Weatherby or the Win .338.

I also plan to shoot 200 and 225 grain slugs in them both because that is what I have on hand.


What do you say guys?

P.S. Alberta Id like your opinion if you see this.

Cal30

Go for it. I'm a 338-06 fan, but would have no heart ache with a 35 whelen either. It fact it might be my next rifle. Don't really need one, but it would be fun.

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Originally posted by cal30 1906:
What would you do? and why.

.....I also plan to shoot 200 and 225 grain slugs in them both because that is what I have on hand.


What do you say guys?

Cal30

For that weight range I'd prefer the .338-06.
The .35's are light at that weight....short, stubby, little bullets that fly as well as a rock.

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short, stubby, little bullets that fly as well as a rock.

I considered that after I posted and I know any slug 0ver 200 grains is costly compared to the .338.

If I did go with a 250 grain in the Whelen
Would the recoil be much more noticable over the .338-06?

The reason I ask is I am very concerned about splitting a stock that is 95 years old and could probably not be replaced by an original.


Its an original Newton that I am talking about and the stocks are petite for a hi-power rifle, Kinda like an early model 54 Winchester but with more inletting.



Cal30

I would do the 338/06 over the Whelen.

However I would also think about a 9.3x62 as well.

If you already have a .338WM, I would opt for the 35 Whelen or even a .358 Win, just to add a larger caliber. I don't know much about the 9.3x62's but they seem to be well liked.

I am a big 338-06 fan, but saying that. You will not go wrong with either, or the 9.3x62

I made that decision MANY years ago, and i'm still shooting my .338-06. I still think i made the right decision.

DM

First off, why in the world would you butcher an original Newton rifle? These are valuable and depending on condition can bring a lot more than a new rifle costs. Don't destroy a piece of history, sell it to a collector and buy what you want.

OTOH if you must, just don't load the .338-06 or the .35 Whelen with max loads. My rebored .338-06 does fine with 200-grain bullets loaded to 2600 fps, deer and caribou don't know the difference between 2600 and 2800 but your shoulder will. Now it will recoil like an '06.



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I opted for a Whelen but if you are planing on shoooting the 200-225 gn slugs then I would reccomend the 338 variation. Actualy I would reccomend the 338 anyway, simply because there is a better bullet selection available for 338's. They are very comparable and what one will do so will the other. There are a lot of great 250 gn slugs around for the Whelen and it may even have a slight edge with them over the 338, but it wouldnt be enough to matter. Besides, if you already load for a 338 WM then you could utilize the same bullet stock as opposed to stocking up for another caliber. If I load for caliber "X" then I rarley stop at one brand/weight of bullet before setteling on a pet load.

I would say the felt recoil of my Whelen is between that of an 06 and a 300 Win Mag. It actualy has a pretty fair amount of recoil, but it is more of a push then the sharp kick you get from a 300 mag so it is probably quite a bit more tollerable than that of a 338 WM.

I personaly see the Whelen as a more novel/nostalgic chambering whereas the 338 may be more practical. Not to knock my beloved Whelen mind you, I have no regrets and love shooting that gun, and they really are very similar.

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First off, why in the world would you butcher an original Newton rifle? These are valuable and depending on condition can bring a lot more than a new rifle costs. Don't destroy a piece of history, sell it to a collector and buy what you want.

TX Nimrod



It is all original EXCEPT it has already been rebored to a .3006 from a .256 as ammo got scarce and or the barrel was shot out. I just have too many .3006 rifles and I may keep it as is. I may leave it alone I was just wanting opinons on the difference between the two cartridges. I may even select a different rifle to do this with (I Should and my mind is not made up yet) But I would like to have a nice .35 Whelen.

Believe me I WOULD not Mess with a Classic like this if it was not already altered.


I know what you are saying and it would be easyier to do my 1909 Argy but it shoots well as its original chambering.

Though I do have a Browning A-bolt I could REBARREL. Or a 721 Remington.

Heck I just dont know what to do at this point.

I should have bought that .35 Griffin@Howe Built on a 1903 that (Xausa ?) had for sale a few months back.



I just have that Itch ya know...


Cal30

I could name what ever the .338 OKH ( I know it was the (.333 OKH) But that would cause a bit of confusion If I were to sell it.


Just thinking and all responses are welcome to this subject.





Cal30

Hi -

Sorry I am reading this so late, but stuff happens....

If you want a nice .35 for that action, I don't see anything wrong with the Whelan (SP?) but at this point it wouldn't be my choice.

First, I don't believe that stock will be up to it over the long haul.

Second, any bullet in the 250 gr. weight range, with the powder capacity of a blown-out .30-06, is likely to produce noticeably more recoil than 210 grain bullets from a .338-'06. If one doesn't believe that, have them fire some 270 grain bullets from their .375 H&H, then fire some 300 grainers. Same case, same diameter bullet, often same exact bullet jacket and core materials. But the 300s kick noticeably harder for most folks.

Look again at the small surface area of that Newton stock's butt plate, and then think again about heavy bullets and recoil. Particularly with the beautifully & deeply checkered steel butt plate on that stock, the 250 grain .35 bullets would not be MY choice.

On my Newton that size butt plate produced undesirable levels of recoil even when it was chambered for the .270 Winchester cartridge and shooting 150 grain bullets.

Third, I think a good cartridge might be even a little smaller than the .338 in bullet diameter.

If you recall (and I know you do), the earliest Newtons...virtually the same generation as your 1916 Model, were joint German-American efforts in many ways...rifles produced for Newton by Mauser, cartridges and guns designed by, with, and between German immigrant-to-America gunsmith Fred Adolph and pure American lawyer Charlie Newton, and many of the Newton cartridges were based on both the 11.2mm Schuler (SP again?) case and/or the American .30-06 which was in turn preceeded by and based on the German 8x57 Mauser case.


So, to meet all your criteria and give pretty fair performance, I'd consider barreling for...........


TA DA! The 8mm/'06, either standard or Ackley improved version.

I've owned both, and personally would go with the AI version just for the sharper shoulder.

That would give a not run-of-the-mine every-day cartridge, even for today, with more velocity than a standard '06, which performs perfectly with very little recoil when using any of a bundle of 200 grain 8m/m bullets, either pointy or RN. And the 200 grain 8m/m bullets have more sectional density and therefore slightly greater potential penetration than the .338-06 with the same weight bullet.

Also, Nosler makes Partition bullets of 200 grain 8m/m flavor, which I really like and have used a lot.

But last...you've got to float your boat. Make it whichever cartridge you'd prefer to shoot, without feeling bound by the fact it is a Newton. I know your choice will be a good one, whatever it is.

Thanks Alberta


Never thought about that one.



Cal30

i love 35s ... but, there's nothing to gain switching to the 35whelen... now, if you hate the 338-06, say it doesn't group well or otherwise displeases you, then sure...

otherwise, build you a 358 winchester on something like a nice m48 mauser, and have THE coolest 35 there is