I'd also like to see Savage get a complete face-lift.

I dunno about Remington rifles, but I love my 870 marine mag.

RIFLE'S WITHOUT AN INTEGRAL SCOPE MOUNTING SYSTEM.
RIFLE'S WITHOUT OPEN SIGHTS.
TOO MANY BLUE MODELS.

[ 09-22-2003, 02:32: Message edited by: beltloop ]

Please stop making Savages.

Short barreled magnums.

Non-checkered stocks.

Hard butt plates.

Open sight barrels.

Short magazine boxes.

False balistic claims, No short mag will ever compare with a Weatherby loaded to spec.

The BOSS system.

Orion 1

Since you seem to have such good insight in this topic why don't you help the rest of us you consider to be idiots. What is you own profession? I got two degrees from University, one degree in Business, it would be fairly familiar to me.
I guess you must be CEO of US. repeating arms or any of the other big companies. I have already stated my opinion about you. I think that you confirming it every time you post a reply on this forum.

Don't be shy

/ JOHAN

I tried to stay out of this but I just can't. Some pretty rough talk about Kurt C. I know him and would match his qualifications with any on these boards. Rifles, handguns, soldiering, outdoor skills,etc,etc.I seen it first hand.As for Remingtons it is my pathetic and misinfofmed opinion that the only rifle they have made in recent memory thats worth a damn is the 760 carbine.

I am sure that the members of this forum, including Orion, have some mighty impressive credentials. However, even someone with no knowledge of firearms could compare a disassembled Remington with a Mauser and come to the conclusion that the Remington is nothing more than a cheaply made "zip gun." The only thing the two rifles have in common is that there is rifling in the barrel.

I do not fault anyone for purchasing a Remington, but I do fault Remington for taking advantage of the purchaser.

Short mags, 17hmr's. I would also like Ruger to quit putting crappy triggers into the M77 MkII's. They could put an adjust. trigger back in them like my old tang safety Rugers.

[ 09-23-2003, 01:42: Message edited by: Handloader ]

7400 Remington. Why? Jam - o - matic!

Have you seen the "synthetic - wood - lookalike" stock that Blaser offers. It's so ugly and contradictive that it gives me goosebumps.
Remington 710 - "a gun dressed like a toy" - ugly! (how does it function as a hunters tool, is it as bad as it looks?)

I've never fired a Remington 710 nor seen a group fired by one. But everything I've read on this or other forums is universally negative.

Does anyone have some real experience with the accuracy and action-cycling of this rifle? I'd love to hear about that with some details.

Personally, my philosophy is beauty is as beauty does. Someone above suggested that the Remington Model 30 was the best rifle that Remington made. This rifle was essentially based on the P-17 action -- and by my nickname, you can guess how I feel about that ancient military action. As good an action as this was, I don't think anyone could realistically call it a beauty. But it works and it's super-strong and reliable -- about what you'd want for a hunting rifle.

Likewise, if that 710 works well but just looks ugly or cheap, then it's something I'd recommend to a newcomer or pick up myself as a backup rifle. And judging from the negative stuff I read from shooters about this rifle, one should be able to pick up a 710 on the used market fairly cheaply...

Orion1
If you are looking for private classes, I'm affraid that you have to ask someone else Sorry, It would be quite useless catalougeing methods/models for manufacturing costs since we don't know which remington uses anyway.

Cheers
/ JOHAN

[ 09-26-2003, 20:09: Message edited by: JOHAN ]

Ok to start off Remington 710's , All Savage and Stevens products...life is too short to own an ugly cheaply designed though accurate rifle that handles like a 2x4. All poorly designed triggers that are over 4 lbs. Note to the Remington Bashers I have owned a lot of them in all shapes and forms including a few custom shop examples and I have had my share of problems with a lot of them and sold the ones that didn't work but wouldn't part with the ones that did. Likewise for Rugers, Winchesters and Weatherbys I have owned or own.