As a take-off of Jay Gorski's post, tell us what they should stop making!? WHY?

Elk COuntry

Stop making goofy new cartridges and spend the money making existing rifles better.

We don't need a .270, .270Shortmag, .270shorterthanthatmag, .270hardlytheremag, and the .270remingtonsuperduperbutsmallerthanwinchester'smag.

Remingtons

Got to agree with JL. Quite reinventing the wheel as far as cartridges are concerned and funnel those dollars into improving the quality of the rifles.

Oh yeah, stop making those 12 pound trigger pulls.

Guns with shitty quality.

I'd like Remington to quit making rifles.

They could do away with :

"Read instruction manual before operating"

stamped all over the barrel etc.

Lets see ....does Remington do that.

I am personally getting tired of seeing so many synthetic (ie, plastic) stocks. I know they have their place, but if a rifle doesn't have a wood stock, it just doesn't appeal to me. Lets see some nice, satiny, oil finishes too, not that thick, shiny stuff. Guess I'm showing my age.....

See through scope mounts.

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Remingtons and Savages.

JL's opinion is the same as mine. I sure get tired of spending almost as much on aftermarket work as I do on a rifle itself. Shouldn't have to replace the trigger for a quality one and the bedding should be correct right out of the box. Not that the manufacturer's will pay attention to what we really want. Bear in Fairbanks

Any kind of Remingtons, at all! And that includes their ammo.

Anything with any kind of quality whatsoever, then maybe even idiots will quit wasting their money on overpriced junk and the gunmakers will wake up.

Ruger Mini-14s, they give the word "rifle" a bad name.

Rifles with press fitted barrels come to mind!

Anything with a goofy "one key fits all" key on it.

Anything with a $20 scope "premounted and boresighted".

Anything with a $5 barrel on it.

Let's see; Remington is scoring pretty high, doesn't it! FWIW, Dutch.

Stop making rem. 710s and stop putting cheap scopes on rifles as a package deal.

NOTHING!! The more they make,the more choices of toys we have!!

rifles with too short a lop!!

Dang, it's cheap and easy to have an inch or two cut off... give the gunsmiths some business... but when a DGR comes out, at 13.5, with a .85 pad... well, guys like me have no chance of a clean lengthing.

jeffe

Remington, All of those shorts and ultras.

Aleko

Ain't the free market a great thing?

WOW, I'm surprised at all of the heat Remington is taking. I thought that big green was one of the most respected firearms companys around. I know that their 700 action has been the base of more custom rifles than all the others combined. What is it that Remington did, that I missed, and made everyone so upset? I agree that the mod. 710 may not be the rifle for everyone, but I can't blame them for trying to make a dependable rifle that everyone can afford.
Thanks for the replys, you guys are full of good info.
Elk Country

I'd like savage to address the problem of excessive flexibility in their molded plastic rifle stocks; at least in their Varmint and Tactical rifles. For a basic field hunting rifle, which I believe they were originally designed to do, they work very well. The fact that they offer Choate and McMillan stocks as upgrades only obviates the fact that their basic stock has problems. If they'd make a more effective stock in the first place, they would resolve the final remaining deficiency in what has recently become a very accurate, well made product.

For those who doubt this, I have been part of a group of amateurs who have been developing Savage 10FP based rifles into 1000yd "F" Class competition rifles.

Our modifications have been confined to McMillan A-series Tactical Stocks, SharpShooter Supply Triggers and Recoil Lugs, and Ken Farrel 20MOA Sloped Scope Bases. With the development of the more recent Tactical offerings, all of the issues except the scope base and recoil lug have been addressed satisfactorily in factory offerings.

The recoil lug is not a significant issue, and scope bases have usually been a user-supplied item anyway.

These rifles, including the 24" factory barrels (mine is a factory .260 rem with 1:8" twist), have been sufficiently competitive to earn me money in the Bodines 1Kyd "F" CLass League.

Careful disassembly and guaging of the three rifles involved in the project has determined that the rifles are dimensionally accurate enough to forego the blueprinting process completely.

There are some minor issues like bolt cocking effort and bolt travel smoothness, and some consider the barrel nut to be an esthetic problem, but that same barrel nut also turns the rifle into a switch barrel rifle with no need for gunsmithing. For the price, they give a great value, and all of mine show superior accuracy out of the box. If you haven't fired one recently, you may be in for a pleasant surprise.

Greg

Gentlemen

I want them them to stop makeing all the rifle rifles with poor quality. I want them to quit making thoose silly short mag's. Dakota made the best shorty's to my mind.

Ban all forms of gunlocks and stop printing the silly "read manual before use".

/ JOHAN

Just a gentle reminder: gun companies are not in busines to make guns; they are in business to make money.

Elkslayer, the Mini-14 is a great rifle. I use mine all the time!

Same rant and rave as before......STOP the niche-oriented rifle, shotgun, and handgun models, and produce classic models in classic calibers--and a few of the obsolete calibers in limited, annually-rotating production runs. A deer hunt is NOT a golf game--although the gunmakers would probably like us to have wheeled carts to drag 3-5 rifles along to our deer stands/mountain tops. Two particular current irritations are 1) a reasonably priced AND reasonably available lever rifle in 32-20 WCF, and 2) a normal-priced N-frame S&W in 44 Special and/or 45 Colt--not those Performance Center reverse-engineered aberrations, either.

Any product described as or named TACTICAL gets pitched overboard.

I would like the manufacturers to stop making rifles for game that doesn'r exist in N. America. We must be the most overgunned nation in history. I would also like to have an accurate rifle that I did not have to have glass bedded and floated at my expense. I'm also not wild about rifles with 8 lb. trigger pulls, or 6 lb. rifles with 20" barrels that make you a spastic cripple. Lets get back to wooden stocks. The walnut shortage is a manufactured one. There's enough walnut out there. We're being had in so many ways that it borders on ridiculous. Best wishes to all.

Cal - Montreal

Lever action .410 shotguns

Any of the Remmington,and the Cheap Winchesters.

Doc

New rifle calibers, we have plenty to choose from. No ultra's, shorty's, try to dream up a nice safe 2 lb. trigger that someone can use.

Elk Country,

Every manufacturer has altered their rifles' design or production methods to make them more cost effective to build. That is understandable, though not well favored.

The problem with Remington is that they design their products to be junk right from the start. They start with a profit margin and then design the product. The result is the 721, 700, 7, 710, etc.

The idea that they are affordable is a marketing gimmick. Most of their rifles are over $600, with some over $1,000. All for a piece of brazed together pot metal that costs about $150 to build. The bulk of your hard earned money goes to send a gunwriter on a all expense paid safari, so he can write about how great Remington is.

Remington once made great rifles (model 30), and helped this country win two world wars. Since then they are an embarrasment to the firearms community. The folks that participate in forums such as these are well aware of the junk that Remington designs, but the average American consumer has never held a quality rifle for comparison. All they are aware of is which gun company puts their name on race cars and such. Remington preys on this and screws them out of their hard-earned cash. It's pathetic.

Ugly and cheap to produce synthetic stocs that's made out of "toy-quality" plastic and bends/moves with recoil - and of course amplifies the sound when branches scratch on them (Luckily, I have none). Bad safeties and triggers. Triggers that go off when it's been pullet when rifle was on safety and you take it off safety again ...

Trigger-block "safeties" in general!

Remingtons, especially those Gawd awful 710s.
Andy

Open sights with front beads and semi-buckhorn double rear notches. Nearly the worst of all open sight designs.

I know it's possible for some to shoot well with these. It's easier for more people to shoot well with a square front post and a square rear notch -- like a pistol.

This is especially a peeve of mine because they're usually seen on rifles marketed to "occasional" shooters -- serious shooters who are actually going to use the iron sights, tend to prefer aperture or express sights.

I WANT THE RIFLE MANUFACTURERS TO STOP MAKING RIFLES THAT SHOOT A 2 INCH GROUP THAT THEY CONSIDER VERY ACCURATE.