Can't resist whizzing in this puddle, too. If the .338-06, .35 Whelen and 9.3X62 were all loaded to the same pressure levels, I would choose the latter for an all-around rifle. I think old Pondoro would, too.
That said, I see in the Hodgdon "annual manual" that they are loading the .338-06 to as high as 63,000 psi, the Whelen to about 50,000 and the 9.3 to no more than 48,000. What's with that?

This is hysterical, it's better than a fist fight over how many angles can dance on the head of a pin!

The best, and funniest, thing that came out of this is Zeke's Beating a Dead Horse, absolutely love it. Humm, the picture of the pike was nice. Just a thought, the pike would probably smell better after 3 days in the sun than this topic.

Face it, anyone that is seriously going to buy a rifle in either caliber will be a reloader 99% of the time. Therefore, they will get what they what out of either caliber. The reality is there is about 1/10th of a nat's ass of difference between the two and no "real world" difference in their effect on game.

I've got a Whelen, it works, I've got a 9.3x62, guess what? It works. Thank God there are sooo many different calibers to talk about, this is the grist for the mill. I love how bloody serious some people get, great information though if you have a Whelen (Thanks guys).

I love this site, reading this stuff is fun.

The 35 does win in bullet selection, available weights are 110, 125, 150, 158, 180, 200, 225, 250, 270, 280 and 310 gr in cup core, monometal, solid, hp, rn, spitzer, bt plainbase etc., and then there are cast bullets in the same weight range.

Asside from that, there will be no difference in the field out to 300 yds on any NA game, nada, zip, zilch. As I've long said, 338-06 sounds sexy, 35 whelen makes a bigger hole. But since either round requires a custom rifle, the practicle choice as oft and well voiced by Ray is the 338 win mag.

I took the totally different tact and have a 350 Rigby, and I'm pretty sure it is going to be my last obsolete, wildcat or obscure chambering.

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Humm, the picture of the pike was nice. Just a thought, the pike would probably smell better after 3 days in the sun than this topic.

Just to set things straight....that pike was caught casting.....NOT trolling

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Can't resist whizzing in this puddle, too. If the .338-06, .35 Whelen and 9.3X62 were all loaded to the same pressure levels, I would choose the latter for an all-around rifle. I think old Pondoro would, too.
That said, I see in the Hodgdon "annual manual" that they are loading the .338-06 to as high as 63,000 psi, the Whelen to about 50,000 and the 9.3 to no more than 48,000. What's with that?

I think I can partly answer your question. The .338-06 is a relatively new cartridge which has been legitimized first by A-Square and then put into production by Weatherby. I has been loaded in modern rifles of known strength and pressure handling ability.
The .35 Whelen however has been a long time on the wiildcat list and has been chambered in rifles of dubious strength. Take the low numbered Sprinfields as a prime example, and I'm sure some of the 98 Mausers imported into the country may not be as strong as we'd like. I was once offered an original 1895 Winchester that had been rebored to the .35 Whelen. Somehow, the thought of shooting a 63,000 P.S.I. load in that gun would turn my gray hair back to it's original light brown.
On the 9.3x62, I don't know, but would venture a guess that maybe some of the early rifles chambered to the round may have action that are a bit soft, or maybe not properly heat treated.
I think it's just because of our litigous society that Hodgen is being cautious when it comes to the Whelen and 9.3x62.
You will run into the same problem with loading data for the 30-06 which is also held to fairly low pressure levels for the same reason. Which brings up a point to ponder. Do the people who work up this loading data continue up the pressure scale for there own personal rifles chambered to the 30-06 and .35 Whelen? I'd sure love to talk to a few of those guys off the record. Might be awfully interesting.
Paul B.

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You will run into the same problem with loading data for the 30-06 which is also held to fairly low pressure levels for the same reason.

This is true but here's the wrinkle.....they tell you the pressures they're loading to.....

7X57 is a good example....we know why it's underloaded....and we load it for our '98 custom mauser we can develope the load upwards.....it's the majik of handloading.....

Some loading manuals will provide two or more sets of data...one for any gun, one for better guns and one for totally modern bolt actions.

There's a gob of loading data for the .45/70 and there's dual sets of data for the .257 Roberts.

If you know your gun's abilities and know the case is strong, you can make it shoot at 63,000 PSI instead of 40,000 PSI.

Quick load is a help and here's another tip.....I read it here and it seems to be reasonably good.....add one grain of powder and you "up" the pressure about 3,000 PSI One needs to be a little cautious with rules of thumb like this but developing reasonably pressured loads with the .35 Whelen or the 9.3X62 should not be a trick at all.

By all means use a chronograph.

I have loaded all my 9.3x62s to the max..I can easily get 2520 FPS with a 286 gr. bullet: 2700 FPS with a 250 gr. and 2450 with a 320 gr. Woodleigh, thats on the chronograph and not by gosh and by damn...These loads worked fine in all my 9.3x62s over the years...For what its worth, like I said earlier I solved this arguement hands down many years ago, I got a .338 Win..

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Originally posted by Paul B:
.338-06 is a relatively new cartridge .

If we don't consider it an adaptation of the OLD .333OKH!!!

But forget that .I'd rather talk about big Yellow perch. The kind those Sea Fire Muskies eat, along with Vapodog's Northern. roger

Roger:
Yellow perch? BIG yellow perch? How big?

Like this 12 pounder I caught about 100 yards from where I caught that pike?

Well it is in the same family now ,isn't it? How did it taste?

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How did it taste? Wink

That day I caught six "yellow perch" all over 28"...that one was 32".....
All were released.

Sorry....I eat the 2 1/2 pounders and release the big ones. some day I'll have a graphite mount made.

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Originally posted by bill439:
9.3 x 62 338-06 35 whelen if we are reloading do the math ----count how many bullets are available for each caliber and you will clearly see the 35 has a very big advantage over the other two. If you don't reload, then it's like grab one and go.

Actually Bill I did that and I used midsouth shooters supply as a fast counting place. They stock 809 different jacketed rifle bullets and this link shows the count per caliber.

The .338 has 37 entries and the .358 has 23 entries and the .366 has 9 entries.

Don't look to me like the 35 caliber wins at all.

Thank you for the link. The prices for .338 bullets are very competitive.

Both the .338 an .35 have lots of factory bullets, but just on hunting or match bullets, the .338 has more. The .35 has more plinking bullets, however. (I am not into plinking, though, just hunting).

.338 Bullets

Swift:
210-grain Scirocco
225-grain A-Frame
250-grain A-Frame
275-Grain A-Frame

Nosler:
180-grain Accubond
180-grain Partition
200-grain BT
200-grain B Silvertip
210-grain Partition
225-grain Partition
225-grain Accubond
230-grain FS
250-grain Partition
250-grain PG

Barnes:
160-grain X
185-grain TSX
210-grain TSX
225-grain TSX
225-grain XLC
250-grain X
250-grain Solid

Woodleigh:
225-grain PP SN
250-grain RN SN
250-grain PP SN
250-grain FMJ
300-grain RN SN
300-grain FMJ

Sierra:
215-grain SBT
250-grain HPBT Matchking
250-grain SBT
300-grain HPBT Matchking

Hornady:
200-grain SP
225-grain SST
225-grain Interbond
225-grain SP
250-grain SP
250-grain RN

Kodiak:
200-grain PSP
200-grain FNSP
200-grain SP-HG
225-grain PSP
250-grain PP
275-grain PP

Speer:
200-grain SP
225-grain TB BC
225-grain SP

Norma makes a few .338 bullets, and well as other manufacturers I have not mentioned.

I'll take one of each !
I can't think the notion that either cartridge is far supieriour is a little goofy. They are an awfully lot alike. I like my whelen and i like my .338Win too. I would love a .338 06 on say a model 70 featherweight. I thibk inside 300 yards i could kill an Elk with any of then cartridges named, but get out much farther and ill have to go with a mag. ...tj3006

Well this is peculiar. We've got folks saying there's not a nickel's worth of difference betwwn .338-06, .35 Whelen and 9.3X62. Then we've got other posts saying there's not much more than a nickel's worth of difference between the 9.3X62 and the .375 H&H. Therefore ... just ... can't ... do ... it ....

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Roger:
Yellow perch? BIG yellow perch? How big?

3/4 pounders and up.Filleted, Breaded and deep fried with tartar sauce between two slices of Jewish rye along with bacon grease home fries.

Bartsche, you're killin' me with the fried perch sandwiches, dude. Hoping to go pick mountain huckleberries and catch some perch next weekend.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about, either one makes an excellent choice for kids and/or women......


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I have two of each, and the only practical difference between the two is in your imagination. Aagard's article sumed it all up quite nicely.