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Re: 7.62X39 bolt action
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Roger,

You might want to exchange PMs with Pecos 45 as he has a CZ in 7.62x39 that he is particularly fond of.

Good hunting!
 
Posts: 2717 | Location: Houston, TX | Registered: 23 May 2002Reply With Quote
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I am contemplating getting a 7.62x 39 bolt action. I'm looking at the CZ 527 carbine but am open to any suggestion that makes sense. Who owns what and how do you like it? I am well satisfied with a CZ .222 that I have but wonder if the 7.62x39 carbine will be as good .I've shot the CZ, 527 varmint rifle in 17 cal. and was impressed with that also.

It would be a hoot if CZ offered a 6mm ppc varmint weight rifle with a good quality barrel.I punch a lot of paper now days but no longer in competition. Many in my generation especially in southern Cal. do the same but don,t want to get into the total bench rest game. A CZ 22, or 6mm ppc might obtain a modest following. Thanks folks roger
 
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The 7.62x 39 is a fun round especially in a bolt action rifle. I have a Ruger MkII stainless synthetic in 7.62x39 that I bought in about 1992? or so as a special run for Davidsons. It shoots ok-about 1.5 moa at 100 yards with reloads or military ammo. I did replace the mainspring with a heavier one because I had occasional misfires with Yugo hard primer milsurp ammo-no misfires after replacement. Ruger made another run of these a couple of years ago too.

I would think the CZ would be an excellent rifle and would buy one if I didn't already have the Ruger. Bore/goove size on my Ruger is 'supposed' to be .300/.308 but I haven't slugged the bore. I reload .308 bullets for hunting but routinely shoot milsurp for plinking, practice, and etc. What is the bore/groove dimentions on the CZ? Good luck and have fun. Plateau Hunter
 
Posts: 171 | Location: Cannon Co., TN | Registered: 17 October 2002Reply With Quote
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Roger,

I have looked at one of those also. My reservations were that the bore is 311 instead of 308. Lack of loading flexibility.

One of the gunsmiths on line, I believe HondoJohn, was playing with those in a couple of calibers. All would be rebarrel jobs, jacking up the price. But a 6PPC or 22 PPC would be a nice rifle set up the way one would want it.

I was debating the same thing, except my choices were in the Rem BR series, 22, 6mm or 6.5 mm.

If you pursue this, keep me posted on how much you like it or not.
cheers and happy holidays
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Hi, Seafire...



The .30 PPC (7.62x39-Improved?) is also an excellent Varmint-For-Score class benchrest target round. My experience with it in that mode suggests to me it would be a GREAT fox/coyote/small deer/javelina sporter round as well.



Could be a sweetheart of a custom little "walkin-around" rifle for the ne'er-do-well woods-loafer such as myself. If I had one of the little Rugers, I think I'd have it rechambered to the .30 PPC immediately, if not sooner...



Alberta Canuck



Edited - Actually, I already have my own JGS .30 PPC reamer and gauges and a good lathe. With the 196 gr. Eagan MX4-30A bullet sized to .311" and either VV-N133 or N135 it will easily give the almost 200 gr. bullet 2,200 fps at 12' from the muzzle. And this little cartridge could easily be put in about a 6-pound gun with no recoil problems. Geez, I think maybe I've talked myself into another one....<G>
 
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Roger,

I have looked at one of those also. My reservations were that the bore is 311 instead of 308. Lack of loading flexibility.






NOT!! A lot of them shoot .308" bullets very well. For instance, the 18.5" barrelled CZ 527, with a .311" bore....







Not only do a lot of 7.62X39mm's shoot .308" bullets well, so do .303's and 7.65mm Argentines, as this group, consisting of both Nosler Partition and Sierra PSPBT 200-grain .308" bullets, shows....



 
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Roger,

I am VERY PLEASED with my CZ carbine. The only thing that I did to mine was to adjust the trigger to a light pull with mimimal takeup and overtravel.

I was considering bedding it until the first time that I shot it. Then I decided that if it ain't broke, DON"T FIX IT . These groups were shot with Winchester brass with the large rifle primer pocket, I haven't tried the small primer type brass yet. Bullets are seated to full magazine length, but my rifle has a long enough throat that the bullets are not touching the lands.

My barrel is between .312 and .313 groove diameter, and I haven't tried any .308 bullets in it, but it sure likes the 150 Hornady .312 diameter bullets with a maximum load of AA2015BR powder and CCI 200 primers. Any of the .310 to .312 bullets that I have tried in it have shot well. It also likes H335 powder, but not quite as well as 2015BR.

It does not do nearly as well with surplus 7.62x39 ammo, but I won't be shooting any more of that in it anyway.

I would love to see CZ do a 30 PPC and a 6 PPC in a heavy barrel varmint configuration.

Jim



 
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I bought a CZ 527 in 7.62x39 as a cast bullet rifle. Could not be happier. Lee C312-155-2R waterquenched and GCed in a .314 sizer gives me 5/8" 50 yard groups with a variety of powders at 2200 fps. Makes a splendid little walking around rifle and is enough gun for anything in VA. Bore must be a little under .311 because it shoots well with anything .311-.313.
 
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Canuck:

I will have to get up to Roseburg and check out this shop and the neat stuff you talk about. That is if an invite is extended, instead of me inviting myself.LoL.

How is the Porsche project coming also???

Cheers and happy holidays
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Posts: 2889 | Location: Southern OREGON | Registered: 27 May 2003Reply With Quote
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I agree with Stonecreek on this. That CZ model has too many features that are wrong for my taste.




I agree with Stonecreek as far as the magazine is concerned - an internal, staggered row fixed box magazine would be better. Also a Model 70 Win.-type bolt shroud with a 3-position fore & aft swinging safety would also be an improvement, as would a double-set trigger in lieu of the SST contraption that's on it now. I would have paid a couple hundred more for these features, and it would not cost CZ that much more to produce them this way. As far as performance is concerned, I seriously doubt if the Chas. Daly will be as good. We'll see, I suppose.
 
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