Blaser makes a good product but I have had consistent success buying used Sauers...Sauer 80, 90, 200, 202. I have never seen one that wouldn't shoot sub MOA with good commercial ammo...and at $800-1200 they are a great buy.

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Originally posted by JonP:
I have had consistent success buying used Sauers...Sauer 80, 90, 200, 202. I have never seen one that wouldn't shoot sub MOA with good commercial ammo...and at $800-1200 they are a great buy.

I completely agree. I recently acquired a Sauer 202 Lightweight in 308 that is scary accurate.

In my opinion, the fit and finish on the 202's is second to none, and of course, Sauer is owned by the same parent company that owns Blaser and Mauser.

Never shot one, never handled one and can say they are not the 'classic' style rifle I like. I would not want one even if it were free.

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Originally posted by Jeff Sullivan:

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Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
Have a chance to buy a R93 with a 30 06 fluted barrel in the Safari offroad stock.
Does Blaser make a 9,3x64 barrel and if they do, would this fit the action/bolt the 06 came on?

The answer to your questions is yes and yes.

Addendum: you probably need a different bolt head for the .30-06 ("Standard" bolt head) compared to the 9.3x64 ("Medium" - I believe).

A bolt head largely matches cartridge bolt face size and allows you to shoot catridges of the same (or closely similar) bolt face. Changing from one bolt head to another takes about 1 minute.

- mike

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Originally posted by mho:

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Originally posted by Jeff Sullivan:

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Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
Have a chance to buy a R93 with a 30 06 fluted barrel in the Safari offroad stock.
Does Blaser make a 9,3x64 barrel and if they do, would this fit the action/bolt the 06 came on?

The answer to your questions is yes and yes.

Addendum: you probably need a different bolt head for the .30-06 ("Standard" bolt head) compared to the 9.3x64 ("Medium" - I believe).

MHO is 100% correct! Sorry for my error.

Don't ever get one, EVER -- you will be inflicted with a disease you can't get rid of and your bank account will suffer.

I'll also admit it took me a while to 'warm' up to the R93, but two of them and 4 barrels later there is no doubt in my mind there is nothing better for 1) a travel outfit, 2) drive hunts, or 3) single animal hunts.

No need to say you hate them, fine, don't buy one but don't complain because you don't know what you're missing

I've never bought a single round of factory ammo for any of my R93 calibers, all handloads and absolutely no problems or issues.

Here's about 10 seconds worth of what it will do, and yes you guessed it, 30-06 with a Docter Optik, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

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Originally posted by AndyC148:
Just bought my first R93 Professional in .300WM this past weekend...
Looking forward to scope shopping and taking it into the field.

For what it's worth...unless you bought it used and a scope mount was included with the gun, you'll need to shop for mount/rings first. And not any old inexpensive Weaver, Redfield, Leupold, or Burris is available. Nope, scope mounts are another proprietary Blaser item. Here's where you can buy them. On sale for $350. Add 20 bucks more if you want it in steel instead of aluminum. Oops, out of stock. Ah well, they'll be back in stock any year now direct from Germany. Unless they're too involved with their new R8 rifle or sending their only American gunsmith off to the Grand, showing off their F3 scattergun.

And don't waste your fuel traveling to Cabelas, Dicks, BassPro, Gander Mountain or any of a host of 'normal' retailers offering rings and mounts. They don't have any, can't get any. Of course, there's always the internet shopping experience with the likes of MidwayUSA (you know, the place with just about everything for hunting, reloading, etc?), Graf & Son, Natchez Shooters Supply or Brownells. No gots!

Oh, oh, oh here's a thought: jump on BlaserUSA's website to find a dealer listing in your neck of the woods. Once you weed out the ones that are no longer in business cause they didn't have enough interest from the shooting public to keep expensive goods in stock, weed out the ones that only cater to Blaser shotgunners, weed out the ones that only cater to the dandies interested in official Blaser lederhosen, and what's left? Why, the ones that know they've got you by the balls, cause where else are you gonna find the stuff? Harrumph

try the talley bases and talley rings.

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by AndyC148:
Just bought my first R93 Professional in .300WM this past weekend...
Looking forward to scope shopping and taking it into the field.

For what it's worth...unless you bought it used and a scope mount was included with the gun, you'll need to shop for mount/rings first. And not any old inexpensive Weaver, Redfield, Leupold, or Burris is available. Nope, scope mounts are another proprietary Blaser item. Here's where you can buy them. On sale for $350. Add 20 bucks more if you want it in steel instead of aluminum. Oops, out of stock. Ah well, they'll be back in stock any year now direct from Germany. Unless they're too involved with their new R8 rifle or sending their only American gunsmith off to the Grand, showing off their F3 scattergun.

And don't waste your fuel traveling to Cabelas, Dicks, BassPro, Gander Mountain or any of a host of 'normal' retailers offering rings and mounts. They don't have any, can't get any. Of course, there's always the internet shopping experience with the likes of MidwayUSA (you know, the place with just about everything for hunting, reloading, etc?), Graf & Son, Natchez Shooters Supply or Brownells. No gots!

Oh, oh, oh here's a thought: jump on BlaserUSA's website to find a dealer listing in your neck of the woods. Once you weed out the ones that are no longer in business cause they didn't have enough interest from the shooting public to keep expensive goods in stock, weed out the ones that only cater to Blaser shotgunners, weed out the ones that only cater to the dandies interested in official Blaser lederhosen, and what's left? Why, the ones that know they've got you by the balls, cause where else are you gonna find the stuff? Harrumph

They are excellent rifles.

They are surely among the very best rifles on the market.

Accurate, reliable, versatile, compact, etc. and on and on.

I will not be giving up any of mine, that's for sure.

Hmmm, so many folks side-stepping Kabluewy's question:

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Blaser R93 - Worth the $$ ???

Akin to asking if a Maserati is worth the $$$ on a sports car forum, no? They're certainly sexy looking and fast. You'll certainly be in elite company. Not likely you'll encounter another one on your daily commute unless it takes you past the Maserati dealership. I'm sure the preponderance of owners who have deep enough pockets to afford a $2500 set of brake pads, an $800 distributor cap or $3500 tune-up will say they're worth every penny. To the average Joe; not so much.

And that's the way I feel. They're worth the money if you can afford one and willing to put up with their sacred cow peculiarities.

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Originally posted by Jeff Sullivan:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by onefunzr2:
For what it's worth...unless you bought it used and a scope mount was included with the gun, you'll need to shop for mount/rings first.

To be fair Jeff it is a good point that you do need to budget for the Blaser mounts and rings. As with anything Blaser they are not inexpensive, they don't look like much and they just work. But, the cost could come as a shock to someone, like myself say, for whom the rifle purchase price involved some saving up and a considerable drain on the finances. Now I have my Blaser QD mounts I think there is nothing to beat them. I stuck a S&B scope on them and haven't really thought about them or the scope since.

My rifle was out over 30 times, maybe nearer 40, in the last 11 months. Sometimes it was broken down and flown in planes, sometimes it was packed into a case and put on the ferry, sometimes it was in a slip in the car. The scope has probably been on and off at least 30 times in that period as the rifle is taken apart for storage or transport and it still shots to the point of aim. So, although the mounts were expensive and at least for me were a lot of money they were worth it as I simply take the rifle out and shoot it.

However, there are people who want to select from 100 types of rings and mounts and who want to worry if the combination they have selected will work with their rifle and scope combination. I guess once they mount the scope they will start thinking about another scope, or different rings, or new mounts for whatever reason. For these people their hobby is "guns" and they derive a lot of satisfaction from this, and have a lot of knowledge. My hobby, or one of them, is shooting and stalking and in truth my interest in "guns" is very limited, it is limited to getting something that will do my job with the minimum of fuss. Now, I'm not saying that either of these positions is right, or wrong, or better, or worse but if you are like me and just want to get out into the countryside with the rifle over your shoulder then the Blaser is an excellent rifle. If, on the other hand, you want to mess about with scope rings, and bedding, and triggers and riflesmiths then I would say the Blaser isn't the rifle for you and this certainly doesn't make you a bad person, just someone with different priorities to me and on the whole it is differences that make the world an interesting place.

So, if you don't like the Blaser, or want to mess with mounts and gunsmiths and the like then don't buy a Blaser and leave those of us who have and who just want to shoot or hunt get on with it. We'll not do you any harm by owning a Blaser and, in fact, if you just ignore us you need never know that we, or Blaser, even exist.

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Originally posted by caorach:

Now I have my Blaser QD mounts I think there is nothing to beat them. I stuck a S&B scope on them and haven't really thought about them or the scope since.

I suppose another thread is in order, asking if a $1800 to $3200 Schmidt & Bender riflescope is worth the $$$??? After all,

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Schmidt and Bender has been devoted to one thing only: building the finest riflescope money can buy.

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by AndyC148:
Just bought my first R93 Professional in .300WM this past weekend...
Looking forward to scope shopping and taking it into the field.

For what it's worth...unless you bought it used and a scope mount was included with the gun, you'll need to shop for mount/rings first. And not any old inexpensive Weaver, Redfield, Leupold, or Burris is available. Nope, scope mounts are another proprietary Blaser item. Here's where you can buy them. On sale for $350. Add 20 bucks more if you want it in steel instead of aluminum. Oops, out of stock. Ah well, they'll be back in stock any year now direct from Germany. Unless they're too involved with their new R8 rifle or sending their only American gunsmith off to the Grand, showing off their F3 scattergun.

And don't waste your fuel traveling to Cabelas, Dicks, BassPro, Gander Mountain or any of a host of 'normal' retailers offering rings and mounts. They don't have any, can't get any. Of course, there's always the internet shopping experience with the likes of MidwayUSA (you know, the place with just about everything for hunting, reloading, etc?), Graf & Son, Natchez Shooters Supply or Brownells. No gots!

Oh, oh, oh here's a thought: jump on BlaserUSA's website to find a dealer listing in your neck of the woods. Once you weed out the ones that are no longer in business cause they didn't have enough interest from the shooting public to keep expensive goods in stock, weed out the ones that only cater to Blaser shotgunners, weed out the ones that only cater to the dandies interested in official Blaser lederhosen, and what's left? Why, the ones that know they've got you by the balls, cause where else are you gonna find the stuff? Harrumph

I know all about the saddle mount system, did my homework. Last Sako I bought I ordered ringmounts directly from Beretta/Sako USA and well worth it. BTW, there are more expensive "out-of-the-box" rifles out there for sure and never thought or heard about the prestige or elitist thing...it's just gear.

http://mcmillanusa.com/mcmilla...-custom-prestige.php

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by caorach:

Now I have my Blaser QD mounts I think there is nothing to beat them. I stuck a S&B scope on them and haven't really thought about them or the scope since.

I suppose another thread is in order, asking if a $1800 to $3200 Schmidt & Bender riflescope is worth the $$$??? After all,

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Schmidt and Bender has been devoted to one thing only: building the finest riflescope money can buy.

I would agree that S&B make very good scopes and I am, without question, the winner as I paid £250 for mine second hand, that's a bit less than $400 I guess. I'm not sure how you could possibly doubt that it offers good value for money but it is easy to fall into the trap of knowing the cost of everything, and the value of nothing.

I have one, an offroad timber that I bought when I paired down my rifle collection some. Yea 3K at the time and it was a little funny. It took just 6 shots to get use to it, and boy dose it shoot and shoot well. Best trigger I ever had right out of the box. Been hunting with it for the last 4 years. All in all, I bought the thing for ease of transport. It dose what its suppose to do. You can go nuts on them, heck, you can go nuts with a M-70 done up by D'Arcy Echols too, and you can go really nuts If you have him do a walnut stock for you. I am by no means rich, or even well off, yet I manged to shoot one of the very best rifles you can own.

This is a point that has been made repeatedly above, but one that I had not thought of when I bought mine, namely, they just shoot! No glass bedding, pillar bedding, recrowning, trigger job etc. Load development is so easy as well. I guess many Americans are just not used to this concept and wonder what's wrong!
The comparison with a Maserati is not applicable either as there is just no maintenance! I too had not heard of a club for the select few. Having said that a Quattro is a fine vehicle!I regard the Blaser as a tool, that is also a fine piece of engineering.
PS. My barrels are fitted with Zeiss Conquest scopes.
Peter

Well worth the money! Buying my first R93 was a huge stretch for me, but after a couple of years I find myself using one for almost all my hunting. Definitely a "no-drama" gun. As I pare down my collection in preparation for retirement, they are on the short list of stuff that I will keep.

When I bought my first one, I spent a week wondering why the hell I just spent so much money, got to shooting it and bought two more within the next six months. Went crazy for a while and bought several more and several barrels, have leveled off and have it under control now with just four R93s about fifteen barrels, One BBF97 with two sets of barrels and an R8 on the way. Did order a new Sauer 202 the other day and bought another 336 Marlin so I would not get accused of being a Blaser snob.