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I mean really - can it be true that these Blaser R93 rifles are really worth the prices I see? Or is this some kind of elitism thing for those who have money to burn? What makes them so special? Hype or real? The second video shows a new scope system that seems over the top to me - made especially for the guy who already has everything. The third video shows what can be done with a red dot scope and a R93 Blaser. It's fun to watch. One thing that's quick to notice is how fast these guys can work that bolt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoE4XEp3zq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNGwPBAixQ&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...uoEk&feature=related Explanation of your opinion (or fact) is appropriate, and appreciated. Also, does anyone bother to handload for these rifles? If so, is there anything tricky about doing handloads for the R93? Thanks, KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | ||
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Not exactly cheap are they... Whether they are "worth" the $$$, only you can tell. Over the last X years, I have ended up hunting with little but R93s, primarily because: - once you get used to the manual cocking mechanism, it is hard to think of moving about without a loaded chamber in complete safety - they are short, and short is practical in the field - they normally shoot well - they are the bee's knees for travel. Take down and into your duffel bag - voila, a LOT more practical than a regular gun case! - it is just amazing how versatile they are in terms of caliber changes. Two minutes, and you have gone from a .222 to a .375 H&H. - the QD scope mount is one of the most repeatable around - they are fast for follow up shots - if your hunting calls for that. - the rust proofing is excellent. No, they are not for everyone, but I would have a hard time living without mine. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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I have been shooting them awhile . I have 3 , I started using them because the Brake down and I don't have to use a Big 52" case. I used to pay $450 for a new Barrel but now they are $800- $1000. But you can buy good used one's . On here there are alot of pro and con's on this gun. It's all in what you like and what works for you. I still have Remingtons and Rugers T/c and I shoot them all. But my #1 gun is the Baser R93 -- 375 H&H , 222 , 7 mm STW , 300 WBY. | |||
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KB, I have a Blaser R93 with three barrels: 375 H&H 300WM 7mm RM I had a very accurate CZ 550 in 375 H&H which I sold after I bought my Blaser. The Blaser was more accurate! I have had several 300WM's and the Blaser is the most accurate! I do not have another 7mm RM but the Blaser is extremely accurate (I will post a target later). I bought mine used and it came with a Blaser plastic case for two barrels with scopes. The barrels interchange very easily, and, with the scope mounted on the barrel rather than the receiver, maintain their zero. I think the rifles are just amazing. Whether they are worth it or not is up to you. I think they are. It is tough to justify a barrel which costs as much as a complete rifle! The 375H&H is much lighter than the CZ 550 but is just as comfortable to shoot. I may sell some of my other rifles but never the Blaser! Added: It so happened that I went to the range today. I wanted to try the Berger 168gr. VLD is 7mm. I loaded up 3 sets of three rounds here is one of the targets:  Now I know that 3 shots doth not a group make, but I intend to load up 5 more just like these! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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The Blaser R 93's are kinda spendy... I think they are one of the best bolt rifles on the Planet. They are THE best for me. While nothing man made is perfect, the R 93 is nearly so. It is pretty much a no Drama item. The just plain work. They are accurate and reliable. They have the best factory scope mount avialable IMHO. When taken on and off they return to zero 100%. When barrels are changed, they go back to zero 100%. When you buy a R 93 you only have to cry once.... And after you use it for a while you realize that it is money well spent. You do not cry near as much when you get the second one...  DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I will be honest. When I see a thread like this one, a red flag goes up, and I wonder if I will need a flame retardant suit for answering it. Blaser93, MHO, and Peter have explained Blaser R-93 pretty well from a user perspective, and the videos give a lot of "technical" propaganda. I am a middle class redneck from east Texas, and I definitely DO NOT have money to burn. I got into R-93's accidently about 5 years and are what I hunt with exclusively now. Are they worth the price? To me they are. Is there some "elitism" that goes along with owning them? For some people, yes, but I have mine for hunting. I literally hunt with or shoot my R-93 EVERY DAY. In my experience, the Blaser R-93 "system" is the most user friendly switch barrel gun on the market. I own Encore's and Sauer 202's which are both switch barrel guns but are not near as easy to change barrels than a R-93. The return to zero scope mounting system is excellent too. I only reload for my Blaser and have not fire a single factory round in any of my barrels. Is it tricky to load for a Blaser? Well, my answer to that is to ask whether it is tricky to load for a Remington 700? Blasers aren't for everyone, but I won't be without one.   | |||
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A guy can waste a lot of money trying to save money on something that usually ends up being inferior. The Blaser is not a cheap solution, but it is an extremely simple solution, once you get past the money issue. | |||
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I know how you feel. How do you think I feel about asking questions, and starting discussions, or even participating? Same way, but I jump in there anyway. Most of the time, things go well, and some very interesting discussion happens, like your post, and the others too. Your pictures really top it off. Very Cool. That's what I'm talking about. I really think this R93 discussion is one that is plenty interesting, and I hoped so when I started it, and maybe get opinions both ways, without flaming. So far - so good. I can surely see it both ways, since I have rifles that work well. But that darn R93 sure looks interesting. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Kabluewy There is only one problem in getting a Blaser R 93. If you find that you like it, then ALL of your other bolt rifles will be second rate... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I'm going to Anchorage tomorrow, and have a little time before the flight out, so I plan on going to a couple of gun shops, and see if they have any R93s to look at, and fondle. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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KB If you want to get into some serious Blaser discussions with other guys that actually use their guns and not just look at them, follow the link in my signature line to BlaserBuds and click on the forum. I will warn you up front that there are some over the top Blaser fans on that board (NE 450 No2), but overall, they are a bunch of good guys that are happy to talk about their guns. | |||
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That may be a problem, and it may be a blessing. It depends on how one looks at it. After all, and I mean ALL, sometimes a guy thinks about consolidating baggage, and lightening up. Excluding varmints, and the really big dangerous game, all a guy needs is two barrels for his R93 - 7x64 and 9.3x62. There are other combos, sure, like 308/30-06 and 338WM, etc. etc., but I just picked an example to make the point. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Kabluewy Think about this... you can get the R 93 in a rimfire [17, 22LR or 22 Mag], 223, plus most of the common hunting calibres, up to 416 Rem Mag, as well as a 28ga bbl[great for small game for the pot]. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Tony, you are just muddying the water for this future Blaser owner. Though I do have other barrels, I kill coyotes, deer, and even 300+ pound hogs with my 9.3x62. My advice is to start out with a Blaser Professional stock, a 9.3x62 barrel, and see what happens next...  | |||
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Jeff, You read my mind. The so-called professional in 9.3x62 seems about as entry level as can be found for the Blaser. Anyway, I'm in the dreaming stage right now, and recognize that it's possible to consolidate and buy a Blaser, and an extra barrel, and have money left over, and still keep some of my other favorite rifles. I would still have more rifles than I could shoot in a week of good weather. Another thing, living in Alaska I have come to really like the 9.3x62. Of course living here is just another excuse to enjoy the thumper calibers. IMO, the 9.3x62 will serve well for anything short of a close encounter with a pissed off grizzley in the grass or alders, in which case I would prefer a 458 WM, max load pushing a swift 400gr bullet. I suppose you can get that in a Blaser too. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Actually, I am not a mind reader, but I have been there done that.  As you can see from my photos, I prefer my 9.3 in a Tracker length.KB Unless you have some guns that you really want to get rid of, don't ever handle a Blaser Professional stock. There is a condition that is associated with Blaser firearms and is called "Blaseritis". It starts out with a person buying one Professional receiver, one barrel, and one scope mount. Later, said person buys another barrel, and then another scope mount. The person then buys a magnum caliber barrel and has to buy a magnum bolt head and another scope mount. The person then buys a 223 barrel and has to buy a mini bolt head and another scope mount. Need I go on?  Enter this arena at your own risk...  | |||
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Nice comments regarding the R93. I am a newbie R93 owner and to be honest I bought it more as a curiosity then a real rifle. I guess cause they are so different. I will say that the Blaser fans on blaserpro and blaserbuds are fanatical. I commented that I thought the big awkward plastic tab used to cock and uncock the rifle was cheap looking, still think that, and you would have thought I just badmouthed their mothers. They came unglued. I don't like the width of the action. I don't like that the receiver is "silver" and not black to match the barrel and bolt. I like that the rifle is shorter then other repeaters. I am not a big fan of two piece stocks in general but do see some benefits for breakdown travel. On the other hand a traditional Mauser that has been pillar bedded has the same advantages. The switch barrel concept and capabilities are I think real but not a real cost savings. As has been mentioned the cost of a barrel approaches are even exceeds the cost of a scoped ready to go Remchester. The rifle has to be about the most innovative and yet practical well thought out rifle on the market today. I really like the ability to uncock and safe the rifle yet with a simple sliding motion you are ready to fire. Plus my 16 year old daughter used my R93 with 30-06 barrel to take her first deer. A nice Montana whitetail buck. Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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Where might be the best place to buy one? From my limited research the prices seem to be "locked" in at all the dealers. Do any dealers offer some good savings? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Blaserbuds and blaserpro seem to have active used forums. Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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I think they are somewhat over priced, especially at the minute, but if the rifle fits you and does everything you need it to do then they are an excellent rifle and so the answer to your question depends on how you determine what constitutes good value. Here in the UK it is not uncommon to encounter them and there is no element of elitism involved, they are simply a good rifle so lots of people save up to buy one. As for reloading, well, I was told you couldn't neck size for the Blaser and this has turned out not to be true. I've also found that mine likes pretty much the maximum printed book load but that almost any load shots to more than acceptable hunting accuracy. It also shoots factory ammo well except for the Winchester stuff which wasn't just so good for me. The inexpensive blue box Federal stuff shot one hole groups. In the end only you can decide if the rifle is worth the money but the more I live with mine the more I've come to appreciate how well designed it is, how easy it is to travel with it and how it just works with no fuss or need for me to spend time thinking about my rifle. I just take it out and shoot it. | |||
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I have pretty much said all that I can in this thread, but I will make one last comment on Blaser pricing. The dealers are supposedly "forced" into selling at full retail, but I have never paid anywhere close for any of mine. The beauty of the Blaser "system" is that you can look for deals and buy it in parts, and I have absolutely no reservations with buying a entire used gun if the price is right. For those new to Blasers, it is somewhat overwhelming to look at an ad for a gun with a $3k price tag, but I have seen a number of entire guns for sale recently in the $2000-2500 price range (with a scope mount). My advice to anyone seriously looking at getting a R-93 is to try to find one locally to fondle and figure out exactly what you want, and once you figure out what you want, you could post here on AR or on BlaserBuds a "want to buy" ad. In my experience Blaser owners tend to stick together and help each other, I can say beyond a shadow of doubt that there are guys that would be willing to help a "brother" find a deal. | |||
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$3000 is alot of money for a rifle, but really if you look at it as a custom (it shoots as good) its not out of reason. The last custom I had built was $2940 for a syn gun with a LH montana action. Mounts and scope later I was almost at $4.5K. Look around, but don't kill yourself looking for "the best" deal. Find a dealer that treats you fair and go with him, until he gives you a reason otherwise. I have known guys that all they do is stay on the computer and search. If you billed the hours they waste looking for a deal, they could have made some real money woking. That said I need to get back to work! I've been shooting a R93 since around 1999, its a great system that works. I have used Sauer 200/202's, have a Mauser M03 on order, I will say the R93 is the most compact and the most universal in changeablity (converting left to right--barrel to barrel). You will be a convert, I know! DRSS Member | |||
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 The last time I was in South Africa, my R 93 in 375 H&H Magnum was my varmint rifle. They shoot pretty well to and I didn't pay $3,000 for mine brand new with a QD scope mount. | |||
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FACT: Your Blaser will need to be sent to BlaserUSA in Texas for any type of repairs, however minor. Not a single gunsmith I could find will touch it. And I checked the length and breadth of this country; I did not try Alaska or Hawaii. Also, there are no aftermarket R93 parts available...want a different barrel, trigger or stock? Only available from Blaser. FACT: The R93 bolt uses a collet to marry the action and cartridge to the barrel. There is no mechanical advantage like a turnbolt rifle to cam a cartridge into the chamber. Thus, full length resized handloads are more the rule than the exception. FACT: If magazine capacity means anything to you, know that the fatter cartridges such as the 300WSM and 375 H&H only hold 2. And the plastic lips of the plastic magazine in the aluminum receiver take some manipulation to load...certainly not something you'd want in a stressful situation like staring down a grizzly or buff, or loading on the run like I see Saeed doing on his buff hunts. But, if you can look past these shortcomings, and the high initial price, you'll love being in the R93 'click' with all the Blaser cheerleaders who've posted before me on this thread...a pretty exclusive group, if you're into that sort of thing. As required by the truth in posting act, you should know that the principals of Blaserpro banned me without an explanation for criticizing Blaser's shoddy gunsmithing. And the principal of Blaserbuds threatened to knock my teeth down my throat if he ever got my home address. So I wouldn't call those folks elitists so much as thugs. On the other hand, if you genuflect at the alter of Blaser on a regular basis, you'll fit in just fine. | |||
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As an accuracy nut, I shunned the Blaser for quite some time. With all the techniques of bedding, recoil lugs, bull barrels vs thin barrels, I couldn't imagine a rifle where you can take the barrel off with 2 bolts and change calibers could be anywhere close to accurate. Then I found an unusual Blaser...humpback stock, oil finish European "Attache'-like rifle with wood sideplates, and got it with 7mm Rem Mag and 338 Win barrels. When the 7mm barrel consistently put 3 shots into .35" with 160gr Accubonds (Federal factory loads), I was off into Blaser-land! I've owned probably 12 Blaser rifles, and have a custom high-grade one being finished up this week in 308 and 9.3x62 Tracker barrels with matching S&B scopes. Put it into a Pelican 1650 with 3 barrels and scopes, and I'm ready for anywhere and anything. | |||
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Ka-Blue-EE, I'm in the boat with Mike 100%. I'm a "modular" rifle kinda Guy. Started in 1998; since added 4 more barrels for a total of 5 and 7 Saddle Mounts with various "Gotta Have" scope options (that fit the 7x57R K-95, too). I really enjoy the "system"; .222, .223, .243, .30/06, 375H&H and am unashamidly feeling a case of 6.5x55 Swede or 7x64 Brenneke coming on (I've got plenty of time to consider which one .....). I'm not enamoured with their cost either but apparently similar to others here haven't paid full fare for the original rifle nor the remainder of the various bits & pieces picked up along the way. I'm patient when it comes to purchases. I certainly do not feel any snobbishness involved with Blaser ownership. As you can note below they are quite common here in The Fatherland. Once arrived at a Roe Buck rut hunt with 10 hunters present - you guessed it; 10 R93 Blasers in various stages of dress and of the ten, 9 were in 30/06 Sprg. The odd man out was a German Federal Forestry student with a 8x57IS; he said he originally wanted a .30/06 Sprg. but the pressure from the University staff was that they all ought to shoot with the German "Forester" cartridge, so he relented. Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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The R93 is so good, that Blaser developped a beafed up version, The R8 with more steel, fewer plastic tupper like parts and more stabile! Why???? I think, the answer is easy! I never used a tracking-gun with which I had so much trouble! | |||
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[QUOTE Once arrived at a Roe Buck rut hunt with 10 hunters present - you guessed it; 10 R93 Blasers in various stages of dress and of the ten, 9 were in 30/06 Sprg. The odd man out was a German Federal Forestry student with a 8x57IS; Than there were 10 hunters highly overgunned with the .30/06 or the 8x57IS. Look, a roebuck has a weight of 15 - 20kg fielddressed - ideal for the .223Rem or the 22-250, the .243 Winni is a bit too much! I never heard about nonsense from the univerity like wroten here!(I´m forester from the University!!) | |||
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Guilty as charged! Come May, I'll again be hunting for roe with my .30-06. Certainly not because it is necessary, but because I like the rifle (R93) and the caliber. And who knows, while hunting roe, maybe a pig of some size might show up... I always wanted to shoot a roe with a .222, but somehow I always ended up with a .30-06 (or largely equivalent calibers such as 7x65R, .280 Rem or .270 Win). Maybe I'm trying to compensate for my poor shooting, or maybe its a Freudian complex, or something... Although not exactly the perfect roe caliber, there are no flies on the .30-06! - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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I love these Blaser threads. I have owned many customn guns in my life and they were gorgeous and functioned, If I had to do it over, I would have only one bolt rifle and that would be the Blaser r93. I bought one at Heritage arms in SLC from Aleko nad have been so impressed with this rifle, its barrels, scope mounts, trigger and flawless accurate performance, It is a "boring" gun as it takes only a few shots to zero in no matter what the caliber. There is nothing to fuss over or change or improve. It is a deadly accurate and flawless performer. My only mistake was not buying up more barels when I first purchased the rifle. Its versatility in right handed or left handed use was a boon to my family where there are left handed shooters. My first barrel was a 375 H&H magnum that I had Blaser magna port. It was expensive and the second barrel ported was a 338 Win mag that I sent to Magna Port in Michigan and they did a nice job. This system was cheaper than any custom rifle I had built. It is simply a great system and worth the expense. My son who was into custom 308 long range shooters thought the Blaser was the ugliest gun around but he brok down and bought one and is such a Blaser "Spazz" as they shot into the same hole so often. He has me beat with the number of barrels etc. Can't go wrong with a Blaser r93 | |||
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FACT: Your Blaser probably won't need any repairs. I do have a little experience with Blaser's service however. I got a second hand 257 Weatherby barrel for my R 93 that I couldn't get to shoot well. I sent it to Blaser and they sent me a brand new one even though they knew it was a second hand barrel. Who cares about after market parts? The trigger is perfect out of the box and I doubt anyone would make the parts of as good a quality as Blaser anyway. FACT: The mechanism of the R 93 looks like a bolt but it works more like a pump or lever action so it doesn't have the mechanical advantage of traditional bolt action. Never-the-less, mine takes neck sized handloads just fine. FACT: Actually, the 375 H&H Magnum magazine holds 3 rounds. I don't want any of the WSMs anyway. | |||
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Here in Europe, to be fair, there are lots of Blaser R93s about and I am not aware of there being a secret society or any similar attitude issues. There is no doubt that they are expensive rifles but people here tend to save up and buy a quality rifle that works right out of the box in just the way they would hope. In the US I am aware that there is a tradition of having rifles worked on to "improve" things but quite honestly I don't know what you're going to improve by working on the Blaser. Despite the thousands of them about, I would guess at least half or more of the people I know who shoot have one, there are no gunsmiths in my area who work on them either but this tells you more about the rifle than it does about the availability of gunsmiths. I'm not a rich person by any means but I bought one rifle which does everything I want and works well for me and I feel this is a successful outcome. I also share your concern about the "Blaser groupie" type of attitude which seems to exist with some people, almost all of them from the USA, on the internet. I have not seen this attitude in Europe and it must be said that it always makes me very suspicious of a product when it gains such a "cult" type following who are keen to alienate anyone not in the club. However, for the small number of "Blaser cult" followers that are playing the elitism game in the USA there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of happy Blaser owners who just go and shoot their rifle. So, I don't think that the rather strange attitude of some people, perhaps numbering in the order of 10 or 20 worldwide, is reason not to buy an excellent rifle as in the end you buy it for yourself and not to put you in with a few people on the internet. As for you other complaints: well if you don't like the bolt or the magazine then that is a personal preference and in that case I would suggest that the Blaser is not the rifle for you. If I didn't like it I wouldn't have bought one either so I certainly support you decision not to buy one. | |||
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 Bravo......very very well said.Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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I know a couple lads that own R93's and they are snoddy elitists. I'm not saying all are like that but i tend to lump them with the K-GUN shotgunners. You know the type! Myself i love my bolt guns, each has different character, warmth, and a fuzzy feel to them i couldn't live without. If you are into the Blaser's to each his own. They are nice but not my cup of tea, just my .02. | |||
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Have a chance to buy a R93 with a 30 06 fluted barrel in the Safari offroad stock. Does Blaser make a 9,3x64 barrel and if they do, would this fit the action/bolt the 06 came on? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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The answer to your questions is yes and yes. | |||
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For anyone on here looking for an "entry level" Blaser R-93, here are a couple listed today on Gunbroker. With one of these you would be ready to add a scope and go hunting. Blaser on GB Blaser on GB | |||
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Just bought my first R93 Professional in .300WM this past weekend, took my time making the decision but am very glad I pulled the trigger and bought it. I think it's worth the money if that's the type rifle and quality you're looking for. I think the Professional model is entry level pricing compared to the other R93 variations(affordable for many) and definitely all-business. Looking forward to scope shopping and taking it into the field. | |||
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