Ismith and Bucksix:

The rifles you each own are beautiful and truly pieces of American history.

If mine has 1:14 twist, I will use the 250 partition almost exclusively for 99 percent of its life. I will use the 275 or 310 load for hunting in thick’s here at home where shots are in feet. Why, just because.

If it is 1:1* twist, I will just live with 250 grain partition.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
We will know Monday about twist. I will use the 250 grain partition as the general bullet, but would love to load the 275 or 310 Weldcore for thicket hunting here at home. Shots are very close on my home place.

As I said above the Rem 700 was real good with 310 grain Woodleigh. In fact they were one of the first bullets I tested as another bloke at the range got a box as he wanted to get a Rem 700 in 35 Whelen so he took the opportunity to test them in the Rem 700 I bought. He wanter to buy a 35 When to use whereas I just bought it for the action. Only tested at 100 yards, the same as the other bullets but was very good.

Actually I wanted 3 Rem 700 actions that were destined to be accuracy rifles (Jewell triggers and so on) and the gun shop had 270s and 30/06s and also the 35 Whelen so I included it just to try. The other two, both 270s, were never fired, barrels etc. were jettisoned

Some good Whelen perspectives here.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com...php/topics/1760069/1

310s stabilize just fine in my 1:14. They are a pretty short bullet due to their shape.

Woodleigh 310gr RN SN are stabilized in my 1:12 twist 350 Rem Mag.

So, Winchester thinks it is a 1:16 twist. Cody Wyoming May no more/better.

Cody does not have records on the USRA rifles, but a very polite gentleman from Cody swears the twist rate was 1:12 out of USRA’s custom shop.

I guess you could run a tight patch down the barrel and solve the mystery.

Let us know what you find.

Can you explain the process? Or what to look for in running a tight patch?

Not trying to be thick. Simply, no knowledge base.

my 35 AI likes 200gr. barnes 225 gr. swift with good bullets I like a little more velocity 225 work real good on moose I used 200gr. on caribou

My favorite .35 Whelen is the first one I ever owned: a Griffin & Howe Springfield, very early, which I picked up at a gun show, minus the scope and sent it back to G&H to be refurbished. The result was astonishing:









I had found it without a scope or the top hald of the G&H single lever, windage adjustment mount, but after a long search I managed to find the appropriate match.

The result was a rifle which I decided was too beautiful to expose to the elements, so I reluctantly parted with it.

Well, I figured out why Remington used he 1:16 twist during this process. The 35 Remington which used 200 grain bullets or at least was built around the 200 grain bullet was, you guessed it, 1:16 twist.

So, Remington being Remington just used the 1:16 twist 35 barrel they were already toppled up to make.

That G&H is one fine looking rifle xausa.

I used a Mod 700 Classic 35 Whelen, reamed to the Ackley Improved, for close to 20yrs. I learned the hard way (from a short barreled 45-70 no less!) that when it comes to slow twists...speed is your friend! I had absolutely zero issues with the 16" twist. Back in 1995, I didn't have access to these newer powders, so my first load was the 250X at 2550-2600fps (AA 2013 or 2015, I forget) I took several head of Plains Game with it; zebra, Blue Wildebeast, Red Hartebeast, and Gemsbuck. I took the rifle back in 2002, and used the older 200X ( 2970fps H322) and killed a zebra at 250yds and a Black Wildebeast at 347yds. I also killed a nice Eurasian sow at 30 steps...with a Woodleigh 310RN ( 2414fps R15) perfection. It shot under and inch at 100yds. I got 2750fps with R15/Magnum primer and both the Speer/Nosler 250gr bullets. While my loads were high pressure, sure, I had zero issues with flat primers, heavy bolt lift, I still have cases from '95! So, if you want more speed, first off, try these newer powders in your standard Whelen. Then, if it still won't work for the heavies, ream that baby out to the Ackley and start over! BTW, that 200X did the same thing that 250X did...big hole, all the way through. I could not tell any difference. The 200TTSX got best accuracy at 2950fps, +3 at 100 gave me -3" at 300...tested from the bench! Pretty flat. Good luck to you sir!

You guys have put some wonderful rifles on the table.

Thank you.

My 35 Whelen Remington 7400 autoloader. Good performance on Moose, Elk and Deer with 250gr Swift A-Frame at 2400 fps muzzle speed. Dispatches multiple targets in rapid succession with aplomb.

I got good news from Nolser today. I had feared the 250 grain Partition load had been discontinued. No one has them in stock and they show back order unavailable.

Nolser told me the load has not been discontinued, that none were in stock, and will email me when ammo is run.

Most be a very popular load, I mean no one has any in stock, for such a niche cartridge.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Can you explain the process? Or what to look for in running a tight patch?

Not trying to be thick. Simply, no knowledge base.

To save a lot of writing on my part (I guess I'm lazy!), just google 'how to determine the twist rate of a rifle barrel'. There are videos of the process, and Berger has an easy to understand step by step process in writing. It's really easy and simple to do. This is how I found out the new Ruger Hawkeyes in 35 Whelen were actually 1:12, when I thought they were 1:16 like the original ones were.

Good luck and let us know what you find...

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I got good news from Nolser today. I had feared the 250 grain Partition load had been discontinued. No one has them in stock and they show back order unavailable.

Nolser told me the load has not been discontinued, that none were in stock, and will email me when ammo is run.

Most be a very popular load, I mean no one has any in stock, for such a niche cartridge.

Whew. That is good news!

Thanks for sharing.

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the new Ruger Hawkeyes in 35 Whelen were actually 1:12, when I thought they were 1:16 like the original ones were.

This is good news indeed!

That information was actually passed on to me, and everyone else, a few years ago from some kind soul here on AR. I was incredulous, so I ran a patch down my Hawkeye barrel, and sure enough; 1:12. I couldn't believe it, so I repeated the process three more times! 1:12. So, I bought (3) more of them. This is the rifle that I took my Shiras Moose with this year using the 280 gr. SAF. No problem!

After I had measured my Hawkeye, I then measured my older Ruger Mark II in 35 Whelen, and it was 1:14. I don't own, and never did own, an older Mark I rifle, so I cannot speak from experience, but I have read that it was 1:16.

I know that you prefer a 1:10 twist in 35 Whelen, but I have shot the Woodleigh 310gr. at 200 yards, and they produced perfectly round holes in paper. No keyholes. So, I am at least, satisfied that 1:12 works for these heaviest of 35 caliber bullets. YMMV.

I have a Dakota Classic Deluxe in 35 Whelen with a 1:12 twist. I have taken it to Zambia twice now and taken a number of great animals with Andrew on Royal Kafue. I use Nosler Custom 250 gr. NP ammo for that hunting, but I also take along one box of 310 gr. Woodies of which some are in my ammo belt on me while I hunt.

Yeah Boomie, get thyself a Hawkeye in 35 Whelen: my favorite caliber in a rifle of proper barrel twist! Oh happy days...

Yeah! I need to.

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Originally posted by surefire7:
That information was actually passed on to me, and everyone else, a few years ago from some kind soul here on AR. I was incredulous, so I ran a patch down my Hawkeye barrel, and sure enough; 1:12. I couldn't believe it, so I repeated the process three more times! 1:12. So, I bought (3) more of them. This is the rifle that I took my Shiras Moose with this year using the 280 gr. SAF. No problem!

After I had measured my Hawkeye, I then measured my older Ruger Mark II in 35 Whelen, and it was 1:14. I don't own, and never did own, an older Mark I rifle, so I cannot speak from experience, but I have read that it was 1:16.

I know that you prefer a 1:10 twist in 35 Whelen, but I have shot the Woodleigh 310gr. at 200 yards, and they produced perfectly round holes in paper. No keyholes. So, I am at least, satisfied that 1:12 works for these heaviest of 35 caliber bullets. YMMV.

Yeah Boomie, get thyself a Hawkeye in 35 Whelen: my favorite caliber in a rifle of proper barrel twist! Oh happy days...

You just cannot go wrong with the 250 gr Partition bullet. I've taken game from 180 lbs to over 800 lbs with it, and it kills like lightning.
Custom David Gentry Rough Rider with 24 inch, 14" twist barrel.

HAPPY DAYS! The twist measured 1:12.

I have a Leupold VX6 2x12 with firedot on the way.

Praise the Lord, and pass the Swift A Frames!

Whelenite: That is my kind of rifle.

LHyem500,

Congrats on your 1:12 barreled 35 Whelen!

I highly recommend the 250 NP & 280 SAF on the large animals at which the 35 caliber excels.

Good hunting.

I bought a 30-06 winchester and rebored it in to a 35 whelen. It was originally 22" but for some reason the guy who rebored it made it 21"! It easily gets the Factory velocity with the 250 grain bullets but it doesn't shoot them so accurately for some reason (i would say hunting accuracy and have shot game with it but its me being anal!), so i have switched to 225 grain swift A frames. Its very accurate with these bullets and likes 225s in general but it only gives me just over 2500 fps.

With that load i have shot a lot of big animals so far including Roan, wildebeest, Brown bear, red stag etc etc.

I am not recoil shy but the whelen has very little recoil and it kills better than it should. My bother used it on a wildebeest in Masailand in September and at 234 yards it was a pass through both shoulders and it ran around in a circle and dropped dead.

With this load and bullet wt its basically a 350 rigby, which had a stellar reputation in the old days. With many hunters using it on buff and even elephant! I have better rifles for these beasts, but in the open would have no qualms tackling a buff with the whelen.

Arjun

You will be very happy with the 35 Whelen.
My wife loves hers, (made for her) on a Rem 721
action with 21 in. bbl. 250 gr bullets are the
ticket at 2500 fps. She has 11 one shot kills in
Africa from bushbuck to Kudu. Outstanding performance and manageable recoil. She also has a
375 H&H for the bigger stuff. both place 5 shots
in 1 & 1/4 inches at 100yd. Enjoy

Good Hunting

Tetonka
DRSS