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Your thoughts please...  I have a new Rem 700BDL that shoots LIGHTS-OUT 130grainer Win Power-Points...at the range all bullets touching and will be using it next season on deer...  Now I'm considering getting a 280Rem too just for the heck of it. But now I'm thinking...hey why not just load up some 140/150grainers it'll be good to go...  On deer out to 350 yards wouldn't the 270Win and 280Rem be pretty equal shooting these 140/150 grainers... Wouldn't the 280Rem only out-shine the 270Win because of the 160/175 grainers...  Not looking at splitting hairs but wouldn't this be true...Basically... What are your experiences with the 140/150 grainers in the 270W...it looks like that'll be good enough for me... Thanks for your input! | ||
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you're splitting hairs. If you've a good .270, as much as I hate to say it since I am a born again .280 whore, it would be pointless to get a .280 other than to "have one". It would be the 7-08/7x57 argument re-visited. | |||
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I don't think you will see a lot of ballistic difference between those two, other than bullet selection would be better with the 280 | |||
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.280 is superior to the .270 in every possible way.  Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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...Right on just as I SUSPECTED....Thanks for the confirmation...I really don't know much about ballistics and the inner workings of rifles and stuffs...I just know when I SQUEEZE the trigger something SHOULD be going down very, very soon if not DRT...  Thanks | |||
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Thanks... | |||
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If I was to buy another rifle, I'd probably would've gone with the 280Rem, but when I purchased this rifle a couple years ago I wanted the 270W...CLASSIC... Had I known what I know now things would be different, but I'm still a happy camper no doubt...especially since my wallet is INFERIOR at this point in time...  | |||
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It depends on whether or not you are a speed guy. My 270s struggle to get much over 2800 with 150s. A 280 will get much faster MVs with the 150s. It would probably be a more suitable comparison with the 270 pushing 150s and the 280 pushing 160s or 140s in the 270 and 150s in the 280. A 150 in the 280 will be hard pressed to show any appreciable advantage over good 140 bumping along around 3000 in the 270win. Good Luck Reloader | |||
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And if he was smart he would have just bought a 7mm Rem Mag and been done with it.   | |||
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Can't you just reloadsome 160s in the 270 as well? If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Hey brother...longtime no hear... I appreciate what you're saying here and it'll give me a reference point for sure... And Happy Holidays to you and yours! Aloha! Roland | |||
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I have one of them too.....  | |||
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Ah well, yes this is true, but just try to find a box of .280 Rem ammo anywhere you go! | |||
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Pretty much just looking to shoot 130/140/150 grainer primarily in the 270W... When I feel I want to hunt heavier and flatter that's when my "she-bang" comes along...M98 7RM 24" tube with 160/175 grainers... | |||
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Gotcha...Thanks!... | |||
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Roland, yeah man, it's been a while. I need to take my wife back to Honolulu and pay you a visit. The 130 and 140 NABs are pretty mean in the 270 win. H4831 always seems to give consistent performance in the 270s I load for, but R22 is a good one if speed is on the menu. Aloha Reloader | |||
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Ronnie, Somehow you just knew I was going to PM you asking for some input on the NAB's....  Right on brother...Right on... R22 for the 140 NAB for the speed when I need it... | |||
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45/70. shooting saboted .30 cal 150 grains boat tail bullets. We use them on the occasional Nessie or Beast of Bodmin. Deaths amongst rangers have gone down 98% since the round was standardised by the Forestry Commission. | |||
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This is one of those discussions, where it is probably a matter of opinion. I do have a 270 story, and as a matter of fact the 280 Rem. plays in it as well. I wanted to buy my first really good hunting rifle, and I was having a quandry as to which calibre I should select. I went to my Uncle Hans, who was the German National Pistol Champion at the time, and he recommended the 270 Winchester. I asked him why, and he said he would suggest a 7X64, but that would be hard to get ammo for here in the states, in the late 1960'S. He also talked about the 280 Rem. (7X64), but Remington only offered the cartridge in pump and semi auto's, and their loads were very light. He also thought of the 270 as an all around cartridge, suitable for varmints as well as deer an elk. He was ABSOLUTLY right. If a man can only have one gun the 270 Might be it, if he wishes to shoot varmints. I don't know about you guys, but most ballistic discussions (bullet SD'S) etc, really don't come into play until 400 yds or so, when comparing cartridges like these. I haven't taken a shot on game at that range yet. Over 40yrs of hunting. Both are very good! Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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Buy the .280 and keep the .270....a pair of classic cartridges. Ream the .280 to .280 AI. | |||
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Thanks Jerry I appreciate you sharing the story... | |||
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If I had some "Kajinkies" in my wallet believe me I would... I just enjoy shooting a multitude of calibers too... | |||
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i sold my 270 and get a 280, sold it and get a 7MM-08. kept it and bought a 260.. all i have now is short action stuff..no more long action | |||
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All of my (3) 270 Win. will get mid-2900 fps. or better with 150 gr. bullets. If the 280 Remmy was a truly better cartridge than the 270 Win.,then it would be commercially available in every rifle manufactured. But it is not! Not even in a Remington. But Remington does offer rifles in 270 Winchester. Why? Because it works. And extremely well! "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | |||
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The advantage of the 280 is the faster twist. It'll get you into the realm of a 30-06 for bullet weight. That said, if you need heavier bullets, get a 30-06. The '06 with 165gr will shoot like the 270. Then you'll have a gun that can handle 200gr for anything big you decide to shoot. If I didn't have a gun, the 280 is a fine compromise if I didn't need anything heavier than 160gr. Since you have the 270, the 280 doesn't really solve any problems. ________________________ "Every country has the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre | |||
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Thanks Vines... | |||
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Hmmm...interesting indeed... | |||
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Yep, I got a 30-06 too... Thanks for mentioning about the similarity of the 30-06 165grainer... | |||
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Just because cartridge "A" is more commercially successful than cartridge "B", does not mean that A is better than B. Witness the 243Win vs the 6mmRem. | |||
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olarmy: Rae has a point, it's Remingon's fault!! In the case of the 243vs244, Remington twisted the rifle too slow, and the shooters went for the 243 as a more all around cartridge. Remington did the same thing with the 280/7mm Express, with their poor offerings. The same could be said of the 284 Winchester. As these cartridges were originally offered by their makers they got left in the dust. Neither the 280 or the 284 could match the 270 Winchester when they first came out. Experienced shooters realize, what the potential of a particular cartridge is, but they don't buy enough rifles, hence the success of the 270, and the 243!! That short action stuff, IMO is bunk. How's a guy gonna wring out the 284 in a short action? Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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At the time that Oconnor was giving us a monthly blast of "the .270 is lightning in a bottle", not every kid on the block owned a Chrony nor was the testing equipment available then that is now. Cartridge companies used empirical methods of bolt lift and head measurements to gauge pressure and often velocity. Some of the loads that JOC routinely used in his rifles would have had a tort lawyer drooling down his shirt if they were published nowadays. My point? Had Big Green had a guy of Oconnor's statue and had paid him the big bucks to tout their .280/7mmExpress/7x64, it would in all probability now be a case of ".270 who?" | |||
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IMO, the 280 is just a bit more versitle than the 270. You are right, 130gr/270 vs 140gr 280 or 140gr/270 vs 150gr 280 or 150gr/270 vs 160gr/280, all work for their intended sue. I chose the 280 for my high country hunting rig for the 160gr bullets for elk. Yep, the 06 is a bit better w/ 180gr, but in a 7# rifle, recoil starts to get noticeable w/ the 06. If you really need it, a 175gr bullet @ 2700fps for the biggest elk or moose would certainly do the job. Agreed, if the 280 had been marketed better, the 270 would likely have died out. All my relatives that hunt bought 270 or 06, so I of course went 280 just to be diff. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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I've used a .270 Win. here in Alaska for about 40 years. With the exception of my .338 which I take for moose, larger bears and elk (twice on Afognak Island), it's my .270 with 150 Partitions. I've never had a problem with it on either caribou or sheep. Also, since I know the rifle (a Pre-64, mod. 70), I wouldn't hesitate to use it on moose or a grizzly under the right conditions. "NO!" I wouldn't use it on the south end of a north bound moose but if I could put a shot into the lungs, I wouldn't hesitate. This even if the animal were standing at a sharp angle to me. That's how much confidence I have in the rifle and my ability. This rifle gives me 3/4" groups or thereabout with boring regularity. Now, I've never owned nor even shot a .280/7mm anything. I've never seen the need but that's me. Out to about 300 yds., over a rest, the .270 with a 150 partition is deadly on caribou. BTDT. Also, I'd use the same load on a grizzly within decent range and again, the shot angle would have to be acceptable and range would have to be relatively close. I have a friend who I helped assistant guide for occasionally. His first rifle was a .270 Win. and he shot severeal moose and a grizzly or two with his with no problems. The major caveat is to use a premium bullet, practice a lot and KNOW your rifle and what you can do with it. Just my thoughts & opinions. Bear in Fairbanks Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes. I never thought that I'd live to see a President worse than Jimmy Carter. Well, I have. Gun control means using two hands. | |||
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Buy a .340 Weatherby and forget the rest. | |||
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I can't speak for all the balistics and SD stuff between the two, but.... My first high powered rifle was a Rugger 77 Tang Safety 270 that I got as a Christmas gift 25 years ago. I still have it and its killed everything I ever shot with it, but....I thought I needed something bigger, so I bought a 7MM RM. Still have it and its killed everything I ever shot with it, but...I thought I needed something even bigger, so I bought a 300 Wthby Mag. Still have it and its killed everything I ever shot with it. In between there has been everything from 223 to 45-70 but...I thought the perfect rifle was somewhere between to 270 and the 7mm RM. So I bought a 280 Rem. Still have it and its killed everything I ever shot with it. It's my go to rifle for every big game animal I am likely to hunt in the lower 48. My other rifles are pretty much safe queens now. Is the 280 any better than the 270 or the 7mm Mag for me? No, but I just like the damned thing. Go ahead and buy one. You wont be disapointed. 30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking. | |||
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Thanks Fred I appreciate you sharing | |||
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Thanks Bear...I hear ya | |||
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Well said...that's why I have 16 rifles myself  | |||
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I own both and have done exactly what you want to do. At the end of it all, either kills deer very dead and do fantastic. I shoot the .280 because I like to - no other reason. | |||
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