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 ...Ain't that the BOTTOM-LINE...  That's why when I'm ready to buy another rifle/cartridge or do a build...I come on here to try to LEARN and UNDERSTAND for comparison only to give me some sort of reference point...I don't know much at all about things ballistically as folks around here...all I know is somethings going to go down real soon when I SQUEEZE that trigger...I enjoy shooting all sorts of cartridges too just because I want to...My first 30-06 rifle is able to do it all...130/150/165/180/220 grainers, all my rifles is only because I want to...It just continues to be a lot of FUN!!!!  | |||
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I agree and think that this is the main reason that the 280 slightly better in its potential than the 270. However the other major advantage is that there is wider selection of bullets in the 140 to 160 grain range in .284" than in .277". Here in UK? Many that have a 270, as I do, load the 140 grain bullet as we feel that we'd rather have ten grains extra weight than 200 fps extra velocity. There is a good Nosler Partition for the 270 in 160 grain but at a price. And it is then that the 280 has the advantage as standard "cup and core" bullets exist for it in that weight. I would not AI any 280 as I don't think the gain is worth it against either the cost or reliability of feeding. | |||
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For me this was the best advice given. I skipped the whole debate and shoot a 7 x 65R which which bridges from my 6.5 x 55 right into 06 territory. I pick up with the Win Mag starting at 180 grain. Some might criticize the Euro pill for lack of commercial ammo...but even here 139-156-173 grainers are pretty easy to find from several makers and reloading offers a lot of options. And the Euro cartridge is easy to carry and pleasant to shoot. Thought long and hard about a 270WSM/300WSM and just couldn't come up with a reason...the Win Mag just does all that very well for me. | |||
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My dad bless his soul used the 270 win on everything including elk, used 130 gr sierra's and partitions. It make creatures fall asleep fast, sometimes on their feet. | |||
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If you have a 270, then you have no practical need for a 280... If you need more than a 270, then go to a 338 or a 375 H&H... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Gotcha...I appreciate your comments...  Thanks! | |||
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If you stick with 130 and 140 grain bullets that's about right...but elsewise I can't agree...I have both. The 280 I see more as a "sensible" 7mm Remington Magnum for a "go to" when I need bullet weights at kind on the pocket prices of above 150 grains. Wild boar in woodland at twenty yards or small deer where I want a heavier bullet at less velocity. Particularly with a long bullet with blunt abrupt round nose. Find that shape in a .277"? You won't! Especially when you get to a 24" barrel it'll do most that a 22" barrel 7mm Remington Magnum will do. So I can source 154 grains, 162 grains from Hornady and, of course, 175 grains too in .284". I can't do that at the same cost in .277". And here in Yurup some jurisdictions mandate a minimum bullet weight of ten grams which is 154 grains and others a minimum calibre of 7mm. Now we ALL now that no animal will know the difference between 150 grains and 154 grains of that extra .007" but where it applies the law is the law. Like driving 31mph in a 30mph zone. | |||
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I bought my first .270Win. in 1968 and have had more than a dozen rifles so chambered, I currently have a pair of P-64 Fwts. in Brown kevlar and Micky Edge stocks and they shoot 150NPs at 2900 with sub-moa groups. I have two Brno 22H rifles re-chambered to .280Rem. and had a couple of other custom .280s, plus I have a Brno 21 action, Kreiger tube and Micky Edge stock to build a third "keeper". My .280s will do just over 2800 with 160NPs and 2900 with 150 NPs and excellent groups. There is NO real difference in the field performance on game between these rounds, I have them simply because I LIKE them and use them for much of my deer hunting. I have five .30-06 rifles and seldom use them, but, they are about the same in over-all field effectiveness, IME. In 45 years of hunting, ownership of well over 100 big game rifles, there are 31, including my combo. guns in my safes at present, as I sold one yesterday, I have seen FAR LESS REAL difference between most hunting cartridges than these discussions would imply exists and anything from .270Win to .375 H&H will do 98% of the hunting any of us will ever do, if you use a premium bullet and can shoot well. | |||
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I've pricked up my ears at that...rechambered from what? And were there any problems in regards to "odd" dimensions here or there? | |||
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Enfieldspares: Have you ever looked at the Speer 170 Grain Round Nose. According to one of their manuals, with 56 Grains of 4831, you could get 2800fps out of the 270. I shot this bullet years ago, just for experimentation, and it was satisfactory. I find though,that this is not the place for the 270. This argument about bullet selection IMO is a waste of time. If you need more bullet than a 150 grains, go up in calibre. The 270 is at its best with the lighter bullets, hence my statement, it is a more all around rifle. I'll kill anything dead as a doornail within 350yds or so, with the 270, or the 280 dosen't matter. We could get into the BC argument here also 150, 277 vs 150, 284. But I'll leave that to someone else. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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It would be ideal. But I've never seen it available here in UK. The closest is the expensive SAKO 111 bullet at 156 grains. The problem is France in that when I choose to shoot there military calibres are prohibited. So no 30-06. So it is trying to ante-up the 270 and the 280 to equal it as I've no wish to buy a 7mm Remington Magnum or 300 Winchester Magnum just for there. And the 280 just makes the ante-up easier. | |||
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The two Brnos are 22H models, the longer barreled versions and were 7x57s originally. They CAN be CAREFULLY re-chambered to the superb .280Rem. and mine shoot "bugholes" with 150-160 Noslers and topend loads. I have seen several like this and it was African hunter/writer, the late Finn Aagard, who had this done to his and whose writing motivated me to have it done. For, MOST BC hunting, these are ideal and among my favourites of the 30+ rifles I have on hand at any given time. I hollow the stocks, fill them with Accra-Glas and oil finish and wax them, install a 3/8" pad and a 2.5x8 Leupy and a Mod. 70 style LOCKING safety and single trigger and prefer these to any others among my smaller bores. There ARE differences in the chambers, the Euro. 7x57s are a tad larger at the base of the case and American .280 reamers barely touch it. Due to this and the smaller base of the 7x64B., you cannot re-chamber for it, as I would have if possible. Again, there is not much steel to work with and it is a job for a real pro...but, it is the best way to use a "shooter" grade Brno 22H, IMO. I also have seen this done to the 21H shorter versions and have a very choice one and have had a couple of others. I do not consider this worthwhile as .280Rems do not seem to do well in short tubes...and I will only modify rifles that have been altered already and I tend to seek these out for mountain rifle conversions, s do a number of sheep and goat hunters here in BC. For a place like France, I would do this as I understand the .280 is very popular there and it is my favourite round, after the .338WM. If, you cannot humanely kill any North American hoofed game with a .280Rem., you should not be hunting and a bigger gun is not needed, except where there are a lot of obnoxious Grizzlies. | |||
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Three very good points IMHO. Fact of the matter was Remington produced some rifles with wood that had, well, the qualities of a fence post, whereas Winchester had the pre-64. Secondly, experienced shooters are slow to move on to gee whiz cartridges, but once thru the ringer are loathe to let a good one die. The 280 and 284 are proof of that. Had affordable metric calibres such as the 7X64 Brenneke made it here sooner perhaps history would have recorded things differently. Imagine life without the 270, or with a fancy Remington 720! Lastly, the Mauser brothers had things right when they chose to seat bullets in the rifle's throat, rather than inside the cartridge case. No gee whiz short action can overcome this if heavy for calibre bullets are on the menu, witness the .264 Winchester. | |||
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I doubt you will ever discern any difference betweeen these two excellent cartidges while hunting. | |||
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mikelravy: You are soooooo right! We have all had this discussion before, and sometimes, I guess I just need something to do. I will say this though, the 270 Winchester, has grabbed me like no other cartridge. Maybe I should blame it on Ol Uncle Hans. Maybe it's Jack O's fault, or maybe I just like shooting the first magnum factory cartridge(1925).Trying to get a 270 guy like me to change my favorite, although the 35 Whelen is close, is like me trying to get a 280 guy to do the same! When we talk ballistic tables, with cartridges like these, you have to pick your point of argument, or you have none,as we are talking inches, sometimes less than inches. Also velocities, 100 fps here or there means nothing, it all comes down to the bullet weight a shooter feels he needs to use. You know, I just might have to shoot the 280, on next years deer hunt, I think it's turn is coming up! Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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A few years ago I ran across No. 1 chambered in a .280. Now I know that there isn't 2 cents difference between a .270 Win and a .280 Rem. But since when are rifle loonies rational! I wanted it. Why? 'Cause I had never had one. Well the next day I went back to buy it and it was gone. In it's place was a .270 Weatherby. And it followed me home and I haven't been sorry. | |||
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