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Originally posted by bartsche:

...my comment still stands, "It is a marketing ploy and brings nothing to the table." This is not infringing on any ones ability or right to make a choice.

Given the severe pressures on the shooting industry today (e.g. the forces that led to the demise of Winchester guns), anything that gives any boost to the shooting industry is to be praised and supported.

Whether or not the 338-08 will actually give any additional boost to the shooting industry remains to be seen. My prediction is that, unfortunately, it will not.

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Originally posted by bigbulls:

.22lr, 30-06, 375H&H, and a 416 Rigby. No other cartridge ever needed to be invented EVER, end of story, and we could all kill anything that ever walked this planet.

I think you would need one more in that lineup: a high intensity .22 caliber centerfire. (Any of many: .223, 22/250, 222 Rem Mag, .225, 220 Swift, or others.) You also need a shotgun, and if you want to shoot skeet you need four: 12, 20, 28, and .410

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Originally posted by boilerroom:

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Originally posted by POP:

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Why the 338-08

It's called Marketing AKA making $$$$. Useless caliber if you ask me.

If it won't do anything that the 358 and 308 can already do, than the 358 and 308 are just as useless I suppose???

Yes it's marketing but I'm sure it will kill as good as the other medium calibres. Thats far from useless, and why would they wait for another company to come out with the first short action 338? It's good marketing if you ask me.

True! But the 358 and 308 are here already and well established rounds.

The question is what will it do that the 308/358 will not? If nothing I do not see a reason for its existance.

Example I like to use is:

Winchester brought out all the WSM's and then Remington went and brought out the SAUM's. Huge mistake if you ask me. I know a lot of people that bought these short mags here in Wyoming. Would you believe that not even one person chose the SAUM just because it will fit in the Remington model 7 action? No one; everybody bought a WSM---even in a remington action!

Huge Remington screw up.

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Originally posted by POP:

The question is what will it do that the 308/358 will not? If nothing I do not see a reason for its existance.

It'll help eat up that huge stockpile of .338 caliber projectiles I have!

If some one has neither the .308 or .358 then this sits squarely in the middle and offers lighter bullets at a flatter trajectory than the .358 and heavier bullets than the .308 at higher velocity. Sounds like a more versatile cartridge to me.

I could care less what you shoot; it's your business. But by the same token, why get so riled up just because some one else may find the 338 Federal appealing? Let them have their fun.

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True! But the 358 and 308 are here already and well established rounds.

And the 30-06 was here and a well established round long before the .308 was and the .308 doesn't do anything that the 30-06 wasn't already doing so by that goofy logic the 308, .243, .260, 7mm-08, 358, and now the 338-08 are all 100% useless.


If a person wants to shoot the 338-08 then go out and purchase a gun chambered for it if not then don't.

Is it really that big of a deal that a long time wildcat cartridge actually becomes standardized? Give me a break.

Actually, If I was an elk hunter (moose, other big game) and loved the short actions of such guns as the Remington M-7, I think the 338-08 would be an ideal cartridge.

That is assuming anyone ever chambers for it!!!!

Becoming a non-wildcat allows dies to be had for a fraction of the cost, for more 'resale' due to a factory rifle option, in a caliber Joe Blow can buy at Wal-Mart, so yes, it IS a big deal as it allows some ctg's to be VIABLE for the average shooter who does not have endless supplies of cash to burn.

Ever try to sell a wildcat chambered rifle? What ROI did you see? So many few potential buyers.

I expect no new round will set the industry on fire, but it continues keeping things interesting and I would be 80-90% of the AR readers never really contemplated this round until Federal introduced it.

me.....I built a 6BR, 6.5/308 years ago before they were being shot.

I ALSO put a 200 ballistic tip in a 308 round that has sat in my desk drawer here for 7-8 years or more just THINKING about building one.

NOW, I see it as a logical alternative as you don't have to pay PREMIUM money for dies, or custom barrels just to own one.

I would have loved Winchester to have stayed in business and made a Mannlicher M-70 in the 338 Federal OUTSIDE their custom shop vs the 2k + job they had before......they never sold a fraction of what Rem did their M7 mannlichers at less than half.

I would have been happy as well in that model 70 ......

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976542784.htm

In a 338F or 358, I would take it anywhere, a 260 would be nice up to deer, but that short barrel would stifle the potential and it would be likely less effective on large game.

If RUGER made the International in either of the 3 above, I would try them out. They are within reach of the pocket book, and more so than a Sako.

By "big deal" I meant....... why is it such a big problem for some people to accept that a long time wildcat cartridge became commercialized?

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Originally posted by bigbulls:
By "big deal" I meant....... why is it such a big problem for some people to accept that a long time wildcat cartridge became commercialized?

I agree. I also agree with 6.5br in that I'm glad it was legitimized because dies are downright cheap now.

It least it ain't a WSM.

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It least it ain't a WSM.

Amen!

I think I will wait to get a 338-08 F in a Remington Model 7. It will probably cost less $$ in the US eh? Packrattusnongratus.

.338x51

is somehow better than

.323x57?

Load tothe same pressure... the 8x57 will out perform any possible 338x51 ..

oh, yeah, one can't (could, but shouldnt) load a 8x57 to 2.8"... then again, with the bullet seated out giving a 338-08 more case room (but no longer at 2.8!!!!) than at nominal lenth


Should one want a mid-30 bolt gun I can suggest a
<drummroll>
any 8x57 rifle


jeffe

I dunno, but it makes sense to me. I think both 8mm and .338 cartridges are underrated. There's now wide selection of bullets for both, and both can be great "all around" calibers for North American Game. I personally (agianst the common flow) think the .325 WSM is a great idea, as well.

Jeffe,

I am sure your 8x57 will equal and perhaps better it, but I would rather the 338F.

I am not opposed to a 7x57 and I love the 6.5x55 but If I shoot a long action it will be a 338WM or 338-06, anything used on deer size game and down I will be happy with 6BR thru 338/08 as I think the 2 cases can do a lot of good work for what they offer out to around 400 yds with shot placement.

My longest, right at 400 yds was a deer that went about 20 yds, 105 amax, just over 2800 muzzle out of my 6BR. It was in the evening, but in a field and I had decent light, about 1/2 hour before dusk, double lung, pass through. 6-24x with mil dots (set up for range work) made the shot easy. Solid rest of course. That is about as far as I care to shoot an animal unless forced to shoot a little more (tried once-unkown range, on a deer, my guess was 450-500, strong cross wind-never connected-don't care to repeat without known range)

In the woods and anything bigger than deer, I want to sling a bigger chunk of lead, and 200-210 gr is enough for me, brass is VERY plentiful for 308.

Just my flavor, everyone has their's but to be clear, I am not comparing the round to anything, or putting yours down, just stating I like it, and expect to have one and have ZERO doubt it will do all I ask of it within 300 yds, perhaps a bit more, with a decent bullet.

Agreed Seafire, WSM's, WSSM's don't interest me either, not that some are not good rounds, just 'too much' perhaps for my needs.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
.338x51

is somehow better than

.323x57?

Load tothe same pressure... the 8x57 will out perform any possible 338x51 ..

oh, yeah, one can't (could, but shouldnt) load a 8x57 to 2.8"... then again, with the bullet seated out giving a 338-08 more case room (but no longer at 2.8!!!!) than at nominal lenth


Should one want a mid-30 bolt gun I can suggest a
<drummroll>
any 8x57 rifle


jeffe

So what? The .338 Win mag outperforms both the wonderful 8x57, of which I have many, and the .338 Federal. The fact is that often one does not need formula one performance when a honda civic will do.

I suppose since my magazine will let me load out to 3.10" I could do that but why? If I really wanted more power I could simply reach in the safe and bring out the .338-06. Still not enough, put it back and drag out the win mag or the 8x68S. I like the Federal because to me it is a modern .33 Winchester. At least that is how I will treat it.

By your logic, the 8mm-06 when loaded to the same pressures as the 8x57 will out perform it. So, should all the 8x57's be thrown out or rechambered? The .338-06 will outperform all the above. But heck, the 9.3x62 beats them all so, perhaps it is the only cartridge we need? Maybe so, but it is nice to have the options.

z1r,
my point, in jest, was that the 338-08 will be less than an 8x57, 110 years later, with no real gains anywhere, other than, perhaps, being loaded to 2.8"... but our other 2.8 rounds all specifically benefit from a longer OAL.. 284 and 350 remmag for examples...

and, since the usefull bullet weights will be more or less identical, the 8x57 "wins"...

then again, i built the 470 AR AND the 458 ar.. both of which do exactly the same thing as the other. but there's not a signifigant case volume difference beetween them.

in short, I meant to say "oh, oh hum.. yet another "invention" that is about the same as a 8x57 and not a lick better

jeffe

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The fact is that often one does not need formula one performance when a honda civic will do.

So since the whizbang super magnums aren't selling, I suppose this is the next step in firearms marketing? If so, I'm glad to see that the manufacturer's are getting aquainted with an idea that the rest of us have known for a while!...