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And those who seek out cartridges that have horrendous recoil just for the fun of it.  | |||
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Uber whatever? is that testosterone, methinks so! A combination of BS and Testosterone is a mighty potent combination.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I don't think that there is that much difference in recoil between the two. There's some but not enough that if you can handle a 165 a 180 would be impossible to master. Now a 150 and a 180 I certainly can feel a difference. All my 06's have been fairly light so felt recoil is something to consider if you're not used to it. Obviously in a standard weight rifle it's less so. IMO given the choices I would choose the bullet for the game not the shooter in this case. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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I'll take accuracy over bullet weight every time. | |||
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Gun counter clerks in these big box sporting goods stores are just minimum wage clerks with no knowledge or experience. They hire kids right off the street with no experience. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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^ Your are probably correct, but I didn't think it was my place to contradict the kid, as he was just trying to make an honest living and there really isn't a single correct answer between the 165 and the 180 as one being better for use in a 30-06 on an elk/mule deer hunt. As for recoil, I'm not sure too many people could discern the difference of 15 grains of bullet weight, once the thing goes "boom". Actually, since the 165 grain goes 130 fps faster at the muzzle, the 165 grain might actually recoil more! JMO BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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For elk Im convienced the 180 or better yet the 200 gr. Noslers are the way to go..My head is made up on that subject, and I get better blood trails for sure. Im referring to the 30-06 and the 300 magnums, and Ive never been able to decern any difference in killing power between the two calibers with equal bullets, The 300 shoot flatter for sure but not by as much as some seem to think..Were talking 3 or 4 inches at the most, not sure that's a field worthy concern!!? Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I totally agree with your first sentence for any application with a decent bullet. As to moose, my default is 338 Win. I do not see it ever being a bad choice from close to far as I ever anticipate legally identifying and shooting a moose. Though, my current favorite moose cartridge is a 375 Ruger, and also use the 416 Ruger. Where I hunt, they work for a long shot of 200 yds/meters, and normally the distance is well under a 100. For the elk and deer combination, I believe I would go for 338 Win or 325 WSM. And even though .30 calibers are not my favorites, perhaps a 300 Win or 300 WSM and call it a day. No denying the 300's handle about everything well near or far. Edit to add: In the 300's or 30-06, I would use an equal quality 165 or 180 grain and not sweat either choice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The best moose gun is the one you are most accustomed to, and the one you use for moose hunting, regardless of caliber. The reason why I say this is as follows: some hunters in Alaska hunt in forested areas, while some others hunt in large open areas where long shots are the norm. Then some others hunt from tree stands taking long shots, while others hunt on tree stands in forested areas. A .270 is quite handy for some, while for me the .338WM is king in Alaska. But the .30-06 is perhaps the most popular cartridge with Alaska hunters, favoring 180 to 200-grain bullets. The .300WM is also very popular with hunters in the interior where long and close shots on moose are taken, and so the .338WM. People in the coastal areas where the big bears congregate favor the .375H&H, and the .338WM. Ammo for these calibers above are readily available just about anywhere in Alaska. The .35 Whelen is good, but one have to look hard for ammo. It means that if one can reload it should not be a problem. I am talking about Alaska and moose hunting of course, so the OP should take my comments with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE] | |||
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A .270 with 130 grainer no problem, but with 30-06 you need a heavy. | |||
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Absolutely - 200gn or 220gns. The .270 serves best as a good plinker of the light-weight stuff. All The Best ... | |||
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Ha ha spoken as if you are Elmer Keith incarnate! In real life the facts differ from your opinion by a long shot. One thing about these threads that makes me laugh is all the "Elk bullet experts" out there that are from Texas or someplace else that has NO Elk!. I have first hand seen dozens of Elk killed with a 30/06 and 180 grain Sierra bullets and I've never recovered a bullet, seen a lot of other Elk killed with bullets from 90 grains to 250 grains (.243 to .338 Win Mag) from 25 yards to 450 yards and I honestly have seen no discernable difference, none. It is all about where they are hit not with what you hit them with. I've come to that conclusion after seeing lots of dead elk, not reading about it or postulating on it. | |||
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Snellstrom, yes from Texas. My comment was tongue in cheek. | |||
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Snellstrom, ... yes from Texas. My question is, have you ever hunted with a .30-06 shooting the 200gn+ slugs? Or, are you just a light-n-fluffy dude?  All The Best ... | |||
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Why would I cripple my 30/06 with 200 or 220 grain bullets when my relatively flat shooting 180 grain bullets completely penetrate the animals from 25 yards to 425 yards? I've never shot an animal then wished I had used more bullet weight or caliber.... | |||
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If the presentation is not right, I pass on the shot. The deer won that day. I have never passed on a shot where if I had a bigger gun I would have taken it. | |||
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Barnes Vortex. | |||
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BH63 your tag line is Unacceptable on this forum. Saeed, please ban BH63 if he won't change it. | |||
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I'm sure I've given Saeed better reasons to ban me than my tag line. LOL BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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Please advocate the wearing of two condoms to control our population, not promoting homosexuality. | |||
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Huh?  All The Best ... | |||
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Not sure what it is you don't understand, I thought I was crystal clear, please let me know what I can clarify for you? | |||
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Todd, For God's sake, quit being practical and logical. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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From 30-06 bullets for elk and deer, to moose loads, to condoms. No telling where these discussions will wind up. LOL BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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Yep, that sums it up. Core-lokt, Partition, TSX, TTSX, Hornaday whatever, all of them work..... I use TSX, Partitions, Corelokt, unknown bullet type in cheap ammo and others. | |||
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An '06 firing a 200gn slug @ 2500fps or a 220gn slug @ 2450fps is hardly a "melon thrower."  Please, dude, seriously, ... disconnect from YouTube, get off your Commando couch in the basement, and get out to the range where you can get a huge ol' fresh whiff of caliber reality. Shoot some 200 & 220-grainers through your .30-06 out to 300-yds, and get back to us.  All The Best ... | |||
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I haven't killed anything big with 200 grain bullets in my 06, but I did take a respectable black bear in Alaska with the 200 grain NPT. It smashed through both front shoulders at 200 yards, and anchored the bear right there. Killed my first elk with 180 grain Winchester power point in a borrowed 06, blew through the offside shoulder of a large cow at about the same distance. IMO there is no discernible difference in performance on game between the two. I only used the 200 grain NPT in Alaska because I got a few boxes cheap. I got mid 2400 fps with them at the accuracy I wanted, but I still feel an accurate 180 grain load at 300+ fps is "mo betta." Really I prefer shooting 150-165 grains these days as I put my 06 on a serious diet, they're easier on my shoulder and work extremely well when I place them properly. | |||
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Geeze! Let's not over think this. I've been killing mule deer & elk here in Colorado for 30 years. Winchester Super X 180 grain Power-Point is my preferred ammunition. I buy them when they are on sale at Walmart for $15 a box. I've killed them with 180 grain "Core-Lokts" & 180 grain "interlock" also. If you want a "premium" buy Federal's 180 grain Nolser Partition. Site it in 2" at 100 yards & go hunt. You're better off spending time on a stair climber than worrying about what bullet. | |||
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I will pass ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Good on you. Way too much FAIL in this thread. All The Best ... | |||
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