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Hi guys, OK. We have a hot debate at work, which action would be best if you were to build an all out long range rig for target shooting. I've been a long fan of the Rem 700 but a few guys swear by the Sako, Win 70 and one guy says the Browning A-bolt is the best. Which would you find more often at say a 1000 yard match? Thanks, | ||
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If you truely mean "All Out" as you mention take all of those and donate them to the scrap yard. B.A.T. Machine Borden Kelbley Farley Hall Nesika These are the all out match winners. Across the counter actions just do not make it. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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Of those you mention, I'd use an older Sako action. Lou **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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B96, all the actions you named have been used to build fantastic rifles. what matters is the knowledge of the smith and components used in the build. these days you could find any one of the above actions at a 1,000 yd match along with custom actions. but alot of them are built on 700s that a fact. regards | |||
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The Remington 700. | |||
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Remington is nice, but for a factory action-ed rig, I just buy an F-Class Savage and call it good. Adjustable accu-trigger down to 6oz, single shot, right bolt, left port. What's not to like? I have an older 112 single shot rechambered from 7mm Mag to 7STW, run out there about 1000 yards and flip me off sometime..."do you feel lucky____; well, do you?". Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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I have to side with Rich on that one. I have 3 Savages right now and it never ceases to amaze me how well they shoot....every time. Most any action can be made to shoot very well, it's just easier with a Savage. The floating/pivoting bolt head on a Savage makes up for a lot of blueprinting work. The new single shot Savages should be close to on-par with the custom bench actions mentioned above, but at half the cost. If not a Savage I would choose one of the push-feed Win 70's. According to an engineering analysis I read in Precision Shooting the Winchester M70 (repeater) was more rigid than a single shot 40X Rem. Hope that's of use to somebody TMc | |||
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I would be more interested in the final product than what action..A Rem 700 or Win. push feed would suit me fine but so would and older L Series Sako...Oranges and Apples my boys! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The rather pedestrian Remington 700 would be the hands down choice for a 1000 yard match rifle simply because they are so easy to work on and so many aftermarket products are available for them. It is easy to "trick out" with extra fast lock time, super light trigger, and whatever kind of barrel and stock you can imagine. Now, for a classic hunting rifle, your choice might be different. An L-series (or even A-series) Sako would be the true rifleman's choice. A classic Winchester 70 is nice, but has some potential accuracy disadvantages, while the Japanese-made Browning A-bolt with it's aluminum bottom metal, trap-door semi-detachable magazine, and about 50 appearance and trim variations is built to appeal to "buyers" rather than "shooters". | |||
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Don't forget Stolle  If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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I find it hard to believe that even one guy chose the A-Bolt for an all out long range rig. I'd like to know his reasons. | |||
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This guys bought an A-bolt stainless stalker and we worked up a load in 270 wsm. Since it shoots well, he figures there's nothing else out there that would match it. He's an alright guy, but he one of those guys who figures since he bought it, it has to be the best! I was looking up the Nesika rifles. Pretty sweet looking. I think I may have the bug for a lefty, heavy barreled 300 win mag. Not like it's going to happen soon, they're pretty pricey. I don't even know if or who would sell them in Canada. I wonder if I can weezle that into the conversation during Valentine's Day! | |||
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Hello, I have shot long range prone/sling matches such as Palma, Leech, Wembledon, etc. for many a year now and can tell you for every Sako, Mauser, Winchester, etc., you will see on the firing line, you will see dozens of Remington Model 700/40x's w/ Krieger barrels, Warner rear sights, Anshutz globe front sights, Master Class Stocks, Creedmore Shooting Stools, Kowa Scopes, etc. The Nesieka Bay, Stolle's, etc. are also seen and are excellent in all regards, but truth of the matter is that if you have an excellent barrel, excellent trigger(Jewell) have taken the time to "build a position..." the action really does not matter that much as long as it is trued and is bedded well. Scores at 1000 yards are more shooter controlled than equipment. The investment amount required to build an excellent 1000 yard gun using a Remington 700/40x action is far less with equal results compared to actions alone costing in the area of 1200-1500 bucks. If you shop you can buy a good starter 700 action for some 300.00 spend less than that having it trued/fitted. Good deal and that is why many use them even though some can afford whatever. In some 45 years of shooting matches, can honestly say have seen occasional Winchester, very few Mausers, and very few Savages-bolt is a bitch to open when lying prone without forcing you out of position and also it is not easily suited for micrometer sights as well as the Remington. Trigger is no way equal to the Jewell. I do not think I have ever seen a Sako at a match. Not sure why, but just not used apparently. Again, unless you are shooting F class, rifle must be suitable for micrometer peep sights as well as optics. Even though some of the above can certainly be set up w/ scopes, in prone need to have the scope far forward with eyepiece nearly in vertical line with bolt shroud or you got an eye relief problem which will ruin you for good shooting. Remington Rules on long range shooting ranges around the world and does so at very economical investment. Check out what the military and LE use for precision work. | |||
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The latest Precision Shooting magazine has result from Hawk's Ridge 1000yd It has Rem,Bat,Win Lawton listed under actions in the Light/Heavy Gun. VFW | |||
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Read this post twice because it is very good advise. The only thing I would add is have a competent smith build the rifle as it is the platform that houses all these custom parts that I personaly think is the key issue. I have an old Hall action that shoots like a "house-o-fire" no matter what barrel I screw on it. It's a glue in and I've never pulled it out of the stock. Use a Remington action and have a Sako extractor installed and go for it. You won't be disappointed. And don't forget the Jewell trigger! The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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I agree, I have seen many more Remington 700's. I never saw a SAKO. Those rifles are so expensive to start with, has anyone seen a Long Range rifle built around a SAKO? As for Mauser's, Kent Reeve won the 2006 Nationals with a Interarms Mauser Single Shot. On another forum, when asked why he used a Mauser, he basically said, he was having fun and shooting well with it, so that's what he took to the Nationals. http://www.riflebarrels.com/winners/silhouette_hpcomp.htm | |||
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There you go, shooter at the skill level of Mr. Reeve can do it with a common Iterarms action. Of course he is not your "average" shooter but excellent or even winning scores/performance is far more dependent on the "trigger puller" than the action being used at a partuclar time. Several years ago I had a like new pre 64 Win. Mod. 70 action and wanted to use it for a match rifle and the 'smith really gave me a bit of a shock and asked me why I had chosen that action. He would build it for me, but said I would be much better off with a Rem. 700 and save the Winchester for hunting and play, not serious shooting!! | |||
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this galls me, but Pegleg is dead on here. When I wanted to get started shooting Hunter Class Benchrest, I had some rookie ideas. Steve Kostanich convinced me to get a Rem 700 and have him build me a tightneck 308 Win to start. He told me that was what the winners were shooting, and when I could beat them occasionally, then I could get creative. Good advice; then, and now. Check the equipment lists of the Top Twenty finishers, and go with that. Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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"Any good action will shoot good ammo" Mid Tompkins. With that being said, I see a LOT of Barnard actions on the line in Palma and long range competition here in the US. There are others but Barnard is the best value in custom actions for now. Now going back to my first statement you can start with a Remington, have it trued and get in the game for half the price of a custom action and do just as well. Be sure to buy a great barel and stock, have a great 'smith put it together for you and the rest is up to you. "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". | |||
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rigidity and lock time .... which means remingon, sako, or savage.... winchester is out, and browning makes a pretty action, but not in this class opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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