quote:

Originally posted by tendrams:

quote:

Originally posted by Con:
Answer ... case availability and affordability of the rifles at the time.

Right...except the "case availability" excuse is not a good one for trying to reinvent the 9,3 on another foundation....at least not as long as you have all the 30-06 brass you could ever want.

Actually I think if you throw in “bullet availability” it makes perfect sense. The two wars, WWI and WWII, really hampered and then pretty much eliminated German bullet and cartridge availability in the USA for many years thereafter, except for returning military personnel. However, military surplus 30-06 cartridges were readily available as were custom heavy-for-caliber bullets for the wildcats that Keith adopted in the many “OKH” wildcat cartridges. Had custom heavy-for-caliber bullets been readily available in the USA during this timeframe we’d most likely have seen a .366 OKH built off both 30-06 and .375 H&H brass (standard and long length belted cartridges).

i see what you are saying, but I have a tough time seeing .333 calibre bullets as "common" and obviously there was such a bird as the .333 OKH. Further, what would be the purpose in a hypotehtical .366 OKH based on an -06 case? A bit like saying the .416 Rem is based on the 8mm rem mag case, no?

quote:

Originally posted by Schauckis:

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Matherne:
I was kind of thinking of having an extra barrel made up in that cal. for my take down Winchester mod. 95.

Interesting - is this a factory-made take-down, or a later modification?
Is it difficult to obtain new barrels for it, or is it just a matter of buying "any" barrel on the market?

- Lars

Sorry took so long to get back to you Lars. My rifle is a factory take down version, so all I need is somebody to make the appropiate barrel. Seen some post in the Lever forum of guys who have had it done for the 9.3x62, should be able to do it for the .338/06.

I should buy one. It kills EVERYTHING, up to, and including elephant, with almost no recoil, using a 286 grain bullet.

The thing keeping me away from it is the ammo cost. Am I ever going to shoot anything a 30-06 won't do in, and, or the 375 H&H won't work on?

Seems to me the rationale has to be the 9.3 x 62 becomes your 375 H&H. Seems sad to waste the 375 H&H length case on such a relatively small bullet....

I have one of the older all metal construction cz550s with three position safety and 30mm 1,5-6x42 scope collecting dust. All I shot with it is 100yrd target to sight it in after initial bore sighting on distant brick wall with bolt out. Recoil is heavy and ammo is not available on local store shelves. It was complete waste of money. I use old Savage 99 .300 for all my hunting. The 9,3 is good round for bison, elk, moose, bear or other large stuff but next to useless to deer/black bear hunter from Virgina USA.

It's great for prarie dogs too!

PS. Should have bought that Remington 600 350magnum instead shorter bolt throw in cute and handy art deco gun for which ammo can still be found on local store shelves.

Paulo9,5x73,

Certainly has not been my experience that a 9,3x62 is next to useless for smaller animals like deer, piggies, warthogs, bushpig, impala, and so on. Everything that size I've shot with one has been a DRT ... with less meat damage than I see with a .308 Win.

The 9,3x62 just works!

quote:

Originally posted by Paolo9,5x73:
I have one of the older all metal construction cz550s with three position safety and 30mm 1,5-6x42 scope collecting dust. All I shot with it is 100yrd target to sight it in after initial bore sighting on distant brick wall with bolt out. Recoil is heavy and ammo is not available on local store shelves. It was complete waste of money. I use old Savage 99 .300 for all my hunting. The 9,3 is good round for bison, elk, moose, bear or other large stuff but next to useless to deer/black bear hunter from Virgina USA.

Ah yes, the internet, the best place to find comments from people condeming something that they have no actual experience with...

I don't own a great many rifles since I spend what little money I have actually hunting. That said, I do have rather a bit of experience with those I do own. If, god or Barry O, prohibit me from owning more than one high power rifle, I'd keep the 9.3x62 since it has proven itself extremely useful, and often stunningly effective, for everything from whitetail to eland. A nice plus on the smaller, eating animals is that the moderate velocity doesn't make dog food out of whitetail or antelope shoulders.

quote:

Originally posted by HunterMontana:

quote:

Originally posted by Paolo9,5x73:
I have one of the older all metal construction cz550s with three position safety and 30mm 1,5-6x42 scope collecting dust. All I shot with it is 100yrd target to sight it in after initial bore sighting on distant brick wall with bolt out. Recoil is heavy and ammo is not available on local store shelves. It was complete waste of money. I use old Savage 99 .300 for all my hunting. The 9,3 is good round for bison, elk, moose, bear or other large stuff but next to useless to deer/black bear hunter from Virgina USA.

Ah yes, the internet, the best place to find comments from people condeming something that they have no actual experience with...

If it means anything I think Paolo is right on the money; Larger game just fine ,deer and below unnecessary. roger

I've destroyed alot more meat with a .308 than with a 9.3x62. It's adequate for large antelope but not stupid for deer sized game. Ammo isn't easy to find in the US but I know Mike was happy to find some when his handloads took the scenic route to Phalaborwa.

It's not for everyone but I'll be keeping mine.

the 9.3x62 is a great coyote round, anchors them fast also tends to drop deer in their tracks and you can eat right up to the hole.

I think it is special for all the same reasons the .375 H&H is special. Great penetration, light recoil, and lots of dead game.

..Not that anyone here who likes theirs is dissatisfied , but if you spent some time with the 9.3x64 Brenneke you would possible prefer it ...., with todays indestructible bullets ... You would see very little increase in recoil or blast , but the velocity to make it an easy 400 yard rifle for the lighter game , and the smash for the close up problems , without the recoil of the 375 ... Pretty much identical recoil as the 338 Win mag 250 load .. Having had both ,I prefer the 64 ...But I,m hangin onto my 62 dies and the brass I have in case a 62 jumps out of some shops rack and insists I take it home with me .

I'm looking for replacement for both 9.3x62 and .300 Savage. Tomorrow will look at ole' L-61 'Finnbear' with Bofors steel barrels in wonderful kaliber 7.62x63mm. Same steel as that used in 37mm and 40mm cannons used to shoot down nazi bombers. Cool eh? Nearest place to get pack of ammo is few miles down the road at Walmart, Dicks or Kmart. Oh yeh, boring can be good too. As soon as hunting season is here the CZ550 Medium is history.
PS. According to local shop owner the 9.3x62 is gaining some popularity in US and Canada. He had new semi-auto from Suhl Thuringia in this caliber to show me. He would not use it for local game but it would be suitable for moose, elk, big bears,....

A great all-round caliber that kills the snot out of everything. I've taken black bear, moose, caribou, whitetail, and pronghorn with the same boring load - 286NP and RL15 @ 2300 to 2400. I have two; one for the snotty weather and one for pretty weather.

I am a newcomer to the world of metric calibers. My first being a 9,3x74 double that worked nicely on one of our big moose.
Recently I purchased a Ruger rebarreled by McGowen to 9,3x62. One trip to the range shooting the factory Privi 285 grain loads that cost less than $25 per box for you people in the lesser 48 convinced me how accurate they are. Rifle is easily a moa weapon with this cheap ammo and recoil was similar to a 300 Win Mag.
If the manufactors ever make a huge run of 9,3x64 brass count me in for one of those as well.
Group buy on the brass anyone?

I am considering this as a rifle for my wife. So, we'll see. I like shooting the 9.3x62

Paper patching .357" or .358 jacketed or cast bullets will allow you to shoot inexpensively.
Because the bullet is paper patched you can run them at regular velocity without leading the barrel.

I shoot paper patch 230 grain bowling pin wadcutters (.358") with RL 10X that form a clover leaf group at 50 yards.

quote:

Originally posted by Ganyana:
folds a lion nicely, will drop ele or buff...

Wouldn't you say that you would have to have perfect shots for the ele and the buff?

quote:

Originally posted by Rick R:
Actually met one fellow who didn't like his. He bought a CZ full stock in 9,3x62 and after a bit of shooting decided that it kicked too hard for his taste

Ridiculous!

He only can shoot .22 and .223 and perhaps .243 ...

He should take up another Hobby - Golf?

But he should beware of the heavier Irons ...

;-)

Hermann

All:

I have never seen it explained better than by Chris Bekker, the SA ballastician. Read anything he has written and you will be well served. In a nutshell, the 9.3X62 is great because the twist rate stabilizes the bullet perfectly and also keeps the rpms down to where the jacket stays intact, and also because tough, high sectional density bullets that plow through game that can kill you have always been available for it. But, don't take it from me---read Bekker!

Just killed another two Cape buffalo and some plains Game with the 9.3x62 loaded with 300grn Swift A Frames and 286grn Woodleigh FMJ bullets.
No problems.

Are the CZ 9.3 x 62's still a good choice?

Somebody say 9.3? Great discussion, everyone I've talked to that has one or uses one just simply loves it.

You guys have talked me into one, I'll be looking for a 9.3 barrel for my R93, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

quote:

Originally posted by Jimmy P Coaltrain:
Are the CZ 9.3 x 62's still a good choice?

IMO , Yes

quote:

Originally posted by Paolo9,5x73:
I'm looking for replacement for both 9.3x62 and .300 Savage. Tomorrow will look at ole' L-61 'Finnbear' with Bofors steel barrels in wonderful kaliber 7.62x63mm.

Outstanding caliber.

Originally posted by Jimmy P Coaltrain:
Are the CZ 9.3 x 62's still a good choice?

I bought my first 9,3x62 from FourTails on the AR classifieds. Is a CZ 550 American. Got a good price of a GREAT rifle. Has been to Africa as well as Texas and other places.

9,3x62 just works.

I've had 9.3's in the x57, x62 and x64 cases.
The x62 is the most usefull of the three. The x57 is rightly known as the spud thrower, the x64 is a little too much of a good thing the x62 is just right.
Just my 2cents worth

quote:

Originally posted by DuggaBoye:

quote:

Originally posted by Jimmy P Coaltrain:
Are the CZ 9.3 x 62's still a good choice?

IMO , Yes

Thanks, I had heard they had made some changes over time, such as a plastic mag follower. I had one in 308 an accurate rifle but heavy for a 308 and the scope had to be mounted high due to bolt throw.

Snowwolfe,
I have a Blaser R93 barrel in 9,3x62 on order and would be interested in going in on a brass buy with you. Let me know your plans.

quote:

Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
I am a newcomer to the world of metric calibers. My first being a 9,3x74 double that worked nicely on one of our big moose.
Recently I purchased a Ruger rebarreled by McGowen to 9,3x62. One trip to the range shooting the factory Privi 285 grain loads that cost less than $25 per box for you people in the lesser 48 convinced me how accurate they are. Rifle is easily a moa weapon with this cheap ammo and recoil was similar to a 300 Win Mag.
If the manufactors ever make a huge run of 9,3x64 brass count me in for one of those as well.
Group buy on the brass anyone?

quote:

I think it is special for all the same reasons the .375 H&H is special. Great penetration, light recoil, and lots of dead game.

I don't have a 9.3x62, but I do have a 375 H&H and the above statement I feel gets the point across.

quote:

Originally posted by Jimmy P Coaltrain:
Are the CZ 9.3 x 62's still a good choice?

The one I used to own was pretty good rifle. There is lighter weight version out there w/o metal sights and composite stock. If I needed rifle in such a powerful caliber I would get that one and have it Magna-ported. It would be wise of CZ to offer that particular model that wears composite stock in some kind of matte weather-resistant finish instead of traditional blue which in this case makes very little sense.

quote:

Originally posted by Arminius:

quote:

Originally posted by Rick R:
Actually met one fellow who didn't like his. He bought a CZ full stock in 9,3x62 and after a bit of shooting decided that it kicked too hard for his taste

Ridiculous!

He only can shoot .22 and .223 and perhaps .243 ...

He should take up another Hobby - Golf?

But he should beware of the heavier Irons ...

;-)

Hermann

I prefer dressage as it's more exciting then golf. I also like my Savage 99 in .300 Savage. It's handy little rifle in caliber that has little recoil and with 180gr slugs there is also very little meat damage.

quote:

Somebody say 9.3? Great discussion, everyone I've talked to that has one or uses one just simply loves it.

You guys have talked me into one, I'll be looking for a 9.3 barrel for my R93, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

Dom,

Welcome to the dark side. I'll send you some reloading data for R903, aka RL15, and Noslers that have served me well in the Fatherland and Africa.

Waidmannsheil,

Don

Does and has done the job in a workhorse manner,,in affordable,durable,,dependable MAUSER rifles for over 100 years,,,and is world famous,,something you can't say about the Whelen.....to me the .35 has to go in a springfield/P-17 Enfield...the 9.3 HAS to go in a Mauser.............your mileage may vary

295 pound Wildboar shot with my old Husqvarna 1600 'Special' in 9,3x62 the other evening. 286grain Norma Oryx, one shot. 9,3x62 is a good caliber, nearly as good as 9,3x63



Looking forward to try the new Norma factory loads in 9,3x62 with TXP 286 grain Swift A-frame and Woodleigh solids

congratulations on your boar.

what is a 9.3x63?
is it a necked up .30-06 or maybe based on the Swedish 8x63

quote:

Originally posted by Steffen:
congratulations on your boar.

what is a 9.3x63?
is it a necked up .30-06 or maybe based on the Swedish 8x63

9.3 x 63 - G Mauser 1940 Miller & Val Greiss

http://www.municion.org/9_3x63/9_3x63.htm

9.3 X 62 --1905 --German -Otto Bock

http://www.reloadersnest.com/article_9362_oct2803.asp

quote:

Originally posted by Steffen:
congratulations on your boar.

what is a 9.3x63?
is it a necked up .30-06 or maybe based on the Swedish 8x63

Weidmanns dank!

Nope,
The 9,3x63 is based on the 10,75x68 case!
And as you might already have guessed, it fits in perfectly in between 9,3x62 and the 9,3x64.
probably the MOST well balanced 9,3mm catridge ever to see the light, perhaps introduced before 1905!
Miller and Val. Greiss made rifles for it. Only 3 rifles in this caliber are known to me after 10 years of searching


My 9,3x63 Miller & Greiss (unfortunantely sold for financing a PAC elephant hunt...)


Forming 9,3x63 cases:





/Husky