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Just what we don't need !
02 November 2007, 08:18
boom stickJust what we don't need !
quote:
Originally posted by Woodjack:
BoomS,
Intermediate length rounds/receivers have real appeal to me. They make up into some nifty rigs like 375shortBoomcat. NOw I dont understand why you have the 375Rshort 2.17"? considering that one typically loads a proj. about .8" out of the case,that makes an oal of 2.97", typically too long for a rem700sa, under length for M70sa(3.08"box).. So what Im really asking is, why not a case around 2.3" for 3.10"oal-for true fit in an Inter mauser or Montana1999? THe 375 ruger case at 2.3 will also relieve some of those pressure concerns that TC1 is smokin' about
The true rightful champion bore/case to me is the 9.3x64B yet for some strange reason we have the shortnecked 9.3x62 at one end and magnum reciever 375hh at the other taking the popularity stakes....rest assured when my new world order comes in, those two circus sideshow freaks shall be abolished.
i was thinking about a 375 beltless version of he 350 rem mag.
a 2", 2.1", 2.17, and a 2.3" version all make sense depending on the action. the mrc short action with its 3.1" max oal would be good for up to a 2.3" and getting the 300's @ 25000 fps should be no problem but the 2.1" will fit in a lot more actions. dont forget that some of the 375 bullets are shorter from tip to canalure.
the 2.3" version does make the most sense when married to the mrc. a true compact all rounder
stainless please...
02 November 2007, 08:23
vapodogEveryone of us knows that if needed we all could live nicely with the elimination of every-other caliber and then additionally the elimination of more than half the cartridges in the remaining calibers!
In fact we could easliy not skip a beat if the total choices were only a dozen cartridges!
Fact is that we'd all be better off for it as the cost of guns and ammo would come down with the reduction in setup of all the calibers and cartridges!
Butthat's not the way it works here inthe old USA.....and let's be thankful for it!
Long live the .375 Ruger!!!!!
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02 November 2007, 10:49
WoodjackHeres what the Boomstick 375Rugershort concept could look like:
I truelly does like It
02 November 2007, 10:58
boom sticksweet looking rigs...
what actions???
02 November 2007, 11:09
Woodjack9.3x64B is std98; from Hagn&MartiniCustomShop.
375rSBC sadly, only exhists in the WJ-Photoshop.
02 November 2007, 11:25
boom sticklol i was thinkig that but thought you had twins made...
02 November 2007, 11:27
boom stickhow bout a 22" mannlicher style stock?
02 November 2007, 11:48
WoodjackSorry BoomS,Fullwoods have never kindled a WoodJackfire.
02 November 2007, 17:46
TimanI think the real challenge these days is not what cartridge, what action, what stock, what builder, etc. The real challenge is getting to the point where you've actually got the rifle aimed at a worthy specimen for whatever species you happen to be after that day. 375 Ruger, 375 H%H, 257 Roberts, 25-06, 257 Weatherby. Bottom line you either have the shot or you don't. I don't care how magnum your magnum is. Forget about your keyboard take your rifle, what ever the caliber and go do it, pull the trigger, get off your butt and get the lead out. Go find out.
Go to the real world for a change, take a rifle with you. You can, still, take a rifle with you. Try to leave your cell phone at home, you will not die without your computer, give it a shot you might have fun.
Timan
03 November 2007, 00:30
boom stickquote:
Originally posted by Timan:
I think the real challenge these days is not what cartridge, what action, what stock, what builder, etc. The real challenge is getting to the point where you've actually got the rifle aimed at a worthy specimen for whatever species you happen to be after that day. 375 Ruger, 375 H%H, 257 Roberts, 25-06, 257 Weatherby. Bottom line you either have the shot or you don't. I don't care how magnum your magnum is. Forget about your keyboard take your rifle, what ever the caliber and go do it, pull the trigger, get off your butt and get the lead out. Go find out.
Go to the real world for a change, take a rifle with you. You can, still, take a rifle with you. Try to leave your cell phone at home, you will not die without your computer, give it a shot you might have fun.
Timan
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03 November 2007, 04:23
boom stickOK... I read the article...
With hornady's magic powders and a compact 20" barreled rifle compiled with factory 338 win mag velocities... the 338 RCM does have a niche since Winchester came out with the 8mm instead of the 338.
Now on to the short 375
03 November 2007, 05:33
boom stickfrom the pic guessing 35 degree angle shoulder. maybe a tad more taper but pretty close and 2.015" length.
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ammunition/hornady_110107/
03 November 2007, 05:59
WbyPowerWith a head diameter of .532 and if the WSMs are .555 then the short Ruger would have a tad more than 90% of the WSM's case capacity.
While many of us thought a 300 and 338 based on the full length 375 Ruger would be coming, perhaps the shortened 375 Ruger is designed with pushing the 308 and its various offspring to one side.
The short Ruger would be a little bigger than the 30/06 Improved so would work well down to 6mm
Mike
03 November 2007, 06:21
boom stickThe advantage would be to go to 25, 6mm and 6.5mm.
03 November 2007, 06:24
ForrestBAs Master of the Universe, I will decree that all existing cartridges will be eliminated in favor of a new twelve cartridge line-up:
6mm Short Ruger
7mm Short Ruger
300 Short Ruger
338 Short Ruger
300 Ruger
338 Ruger
375 Ruger
416 Ruger
375 Rigby
416 Rigby
450 Rigby
470 Rigby
I further decree that insofar as we have simplified and improved the cartridge situation, manufacturers will concentrate exclusively on turning out better ammo and better rifles. Every sportsman is required to own a rifle in each chambering.
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03 November 2007, 06:32
ForrestBVarmint guys will have to use exclusively the 222 Rem Mag. All that other crap is going in the can.
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03 November 2007, 06:47
boom stickquote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
Varmint guys will have to use exclusively the 222 Rem Mag. All that other crap is going in the can.
03 November 2007, 06:52
boom stickquote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
As Master of the Universe, I will decree that all existing cartridges will be eliminated in favor of a new twelve cartridge line-up:
6mm Short Ruger
7mm Short Ruger
300 Short Ruger
338 Short Ruger
300 Ruger
338 Ruger
375 Ruger
416 Ruger
375 Rigby
416 Rigby
450 Rigby
470 Rigby
I further decree that insofar as we have simplified and improved the cartridge situation, manufacturers will concentrate exclusively on turning out better ammo and better rifles. Every sportsman is required to own a rifle in each chambering.
Ditch te first two for a 6.5 and ditch those last 4 for a 577 BME or 500 MAX or a 500 Nitro double
03 November 2007, 07:02
ForrestBI'll ditch the first two for a 6.5 Short Ruger and I'll ditch the 470 Rigby in favor of a 470 Nitro and a 500 Nitro...gotta do something for the double rifle gays - I mean guys.
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03 November 2007, 07:10
boom stickquote:
gotta do something for the double rifle gays - I mean guys.
04 November 2007, 07:00
vapodogquote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
As Master of the Universe, I will decree that all existing cartridges will be eliminated in favor of a new twelve Eight cartridge line-up:
6mm Short Ruger
7mm Short Ruger 6.5 Short Ruger
300 Short Ruger Deleted
338 Short Ruger Dleted
300 Ruger
338 Ruger
375 Ruger
416 Ruger
375 Rigby Deleted
416 Rigby Deleted
450 Rigby
470 Rigby
I further decree that insofar as we have simplified and improved the cartridge situation, manufacturers will concentrate exclusively on turning out better ammo and better rifles. Every sportsman is required to own a rifle in each chambering.
Sorrysir.....I just had to edit it a bit.
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04 November 2007, 07:33
ireload2quote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
As Master of the Universe, I will decree that all existing cartridges will be eliminated in favor of a new twelve cartridge line-up:
6mm Short Ruger
7mm Short Ruger
300 Short Ruger
338 Short Ruger
300 Ruger
338 Ruger
375 Ruger
416 Ruger
375 Rigby
416 Rigby
450 Rigby
470 Rigby
I further decree that insofar as we have simplified and improved the cartridge situation, manufacturers will concentrate exclusively on turning out better ammo and better rifles. Every sportsman is required to own a rifle in each chambering.
I do not have the slightest bit of use for any of these. But better chambers, bores and brass would do us all a favor.
04 November 2007, 09:45
bowhuntrrlI love my .270 WSM, but in a way, I can see some logic in it. The WSM calibers perform well. I get 300 fps more than I ever could with my .270 Win, in fact it's right there with a .270 Weatherby only with less powder.
However, there is that royalty thing because of Jamison's bogus lawsuit. I can maybe see this being a success just because the manufacturers are sick of paying royalties that amount to $20-$25 per gun. maybe they will just let the WSM family die and then Jamison can go to hell since he surely didn't invent the concept of the short ,fat cartridge!!! I f it performs as well as the other WSMs, I think it may succeed.
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04 November 2007, 16:36
seafire2quote:
With hornady's magic powders and a compact 20" barreled rifle compiled with factory 338 win mag velocities... the 338 RCM does have a niche since Winchester came out with the 8mm instead of the 338.
Now on to the short 375
A local smith took the WSM cartridges and made up rounds in 375, 416 and 458.. I know the 458 one, Hornady makes Dies for it as the 458 Noveske..
He was building them on short action Model 600 Remingtons, with a 16 to 18 inch barrel and shortened stock...recommending a 1.5 x 5 Leupold scope...
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04 November 2007, 22:16
boom sticksee how pretty short 375 rugers are...
thanks!
04 November 2007, 22:21
El DeguelloYep. Reminds me of what Elmer Keith said when he was "introduced to" the then-new 8mm Rem. Mag.: "What the hell is it good for? It doesn't do anything the .338 Win. doesn't do better....."
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05 November 2007, 12:37
boom stickquote:
Originally posted by El Deguello:
Yep. Reminds me of what Elmer Keith said when he was "introduced to" the then-new 8mm Rem. Mag.: "What the hell is it good for? It doesn't do anything the .338 Win. doesn't do better....."
a compact 375 h+h is something swell...
a compact 338 and 300 win??? maybe not so much but hey...it will float some boats...
05 November 2007, 13:26
ldkierGood grief, we've "wildcatted" for years!!
Nobody complains about the .25-06, the 7mm-08 or some of Weatherbys offerings.
I don't think there is any trying to conspire. The're just trying to suit us with cartridges we would like. An opportunity for our selection, if you will. Most will fail. Look at the .225 Winchester, 5mm Remington, 6.5 Remington,7mm Remington Express(.280 Remington) and the like. The .264 Winchester. I would like one of those!!!! Just timing.
Ford only offered all black cars at one time.
Look what Sharps did with with their line of black powder ctgs.
We could just settle back with .30-30's, '06's and the like. That would be sufficient and O.K.
But, we want more.
That's what it's about.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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06 November 2007, 03:40
WoodjackThe classic/popular catridges are well covered and catered for.If youve got some and your content,then good luck.
Theres certainly no harm in the Hornady/Ruger boys havng a little experimental/wildcating fun.
Unless your a share holder, ones choice is simple; buy one or Dont.