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Just got a new 338, looking at 250gr nosler partitions for elk on down and someday maybe moose. What's everyone elses bullet of choice for elk and moose sized game in a 338 win mag? | ||
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No need to look further. But that said I use 250 Hornaday's | |||
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The 225TTSX shoots lights out in mine. Barnes max IMR 4350 crimped in the front groove. | |||
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Agreed. My main bullet in my 338WMs (Fed. Prem.) Having said that, I pulled a Moose tag this year and I am using my 35 Whelen. I was planning on using 250 NP in it as well, but it turned out my rifle liked the 280 SAF a bit better accuracy wise. I'm happy with either... | |||
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I'm running fed premium for 2 more boxes to ensure my rifle likes that bullet before i handload for it. Where are you moose hunting by chance? Ive put in for the Washington moose tag for most of my life minus the last 7 years I was in the army | |||
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I used 200gr nosler ballistic tips years ago and they were hell for stout bullets. Shot a 200+ whitetail with one quartering to me at all of 50 yards. Bullet penetrated through the shoulder and I found it against the hide at the rear of the offside ham... I would use a heavier bullet on the elk/moose but would not hesitate to shoot either with that bullet. I think I had those loaded to about 3000 fps. Shoot straight, shoot often. Matt | |||
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210 NP without a doubt would be my first choice followed by the 225 NAB & PT. I pretty much stopped shooting 250s in my 338s. I don’t think the 250s buy you anything in the 338. Lots of good 338 bullets though. I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever. Take care. smallfry | |||
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I've used Barnes 225 grain Xbullets and now TTSXs for everything from Sitka Blacktails to Brown Bears. I don't see a need for any other bullet in the 338. | |||
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[/QUOTE]No need to look further.[/QUOTE] Agreed. My main bullet in my 338WMs (Fed. Prem.) Having said that, I pulled a Moose tag this year and I am using my 35 Whelen. I was planning on using 250 NP in it as well, but it turned out my rifle liked the 280 SAF a bit better accuracy wise. I'm happy with either...[/QUOTE] I'm running fed premium for 2 more boxes to ensure my rifle likes that bullet before i handload for it. Where are you moose hunting by chance? Ive put in for the Washington moose tag for most of my life minus the last 7 years I was in the army[/QUOTE] In Colorado. Shiras Moose. | |||
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I'm another one for Barnes 225 gr TTSX. I think a lot depends on the terrain your hunting in too. The Barnes shoots a bit flatter then the 250 Nosler's and performs as well but then theirs nothing wrong with the Nosler bullets either. One other bullet so far not mentioned is the 210 gr Nosler Partition, I don't have any experience with it (yet) but many think very highly of it. Choices choices! Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Barnes 225 grain TSX works well for me. It has been my 338 Winchester bullet for quiet sometime. Though I will most likely convert to the TTSX version for its higher ballistic coefficient. I have shot the 225 TTSX at the range. It groups well and I expect that it will perform similar to the TSX. I would have little to no hesitation using the 210 TSX or TTSX either. | |||
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I have used both 210 & 225 TSX and TTSX, and they all work just fine. Remember, forgivness is easier to get than permission. | |||
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Terry has put more 338 bullets down the barrel than just about the rest of us put together. | |||
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Nothing at all wrong with the 250 Nosler Partition. It is probably a heavier bullet than is needed for most circumstances and you can make the caliber a little easier to hit with at longer ranges with a bit light bullet. However, if you're hunting something like moose or brown bear in an area where you expect shots to be moderate to closer range, then the 250 grainer might be more appropriate. I've used both 225 NP's and 225 Accubonds with excellent results. And for decades .338 shooters have observed that the 210 NP punches "above its weight" so to speak. Really, there is nothing that I'd tackle with a .338 that I would feel the 210 NP is insufficient for. | |||
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Ive considered dropping to.the 210 or 225gr but i got it zeroed with the 250gr and i generally like heavy for caliber bullets when i can get away with it. Most of my hunting is in the brush or clearcuts. So shooting past 300yds is possible but also avoidavle in most situations | |||
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250 grain Swift A-Frame | |||
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I shot elk and PG with the Nosler 210 and 250 partitions, no complaints at all, the last few years I have used the 225 gr. Accubonds and its a great elk bullet, and works on deer..It shoots flat as a string and has a lot of thump out yonder and up close..Another bullet Ive used as late is the discontinued 275 gr. Speer Grand Slam and Im liking it, I stumbled on 6 boxes of this old discontinued bullet and at 2500 FPS plus its a real hammer, and shoots flatter than I ever thought it would, about 100 fps less than the 250 gr...used it on a couple of elk and one mule deer so far..Elmer K, apparently loved this bullet..Actually I can't tell much difference in any of these good bullets being recommended..I bought a .338 mod. 70 pre 64 probably the year it hit the market, along with a .264, loved the 338 ever since, didn't care for the .264 all smoke and noise..preferred a 06 or 270... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Hyak55171, I've shot the 338 WM a lot as well as the 340 WBY, 330 Dakota, 338 Ultra and presently I'm shooting the 338-06. I've shot several different bullets in the 338's but I think if I was gong to pick one for everything these days it would be the 210 TTSX. You'll be able to push 3,000 fps with it in your WM flatting trajectory and it penetrates like crazy. I shot a moose two years ago that was squarely facing me at about 150 yards. The 210 TTSX entered the neck and ended up in the right ham. The moose rolled over backwards and was stone dead by the time we got to it. As others have said the 250 NP is a great bullet. If it shoots well you don't need another bullet but I think it's not the best all around load unless your ranges are quite moderate. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Hi guys I have used the 210 TTSX on six different animals all one shot dropped in there tracks.Just like Mark in the chest full length penetration and perfectly expanded under shin on ham.Couldn't be better IHO Bill DRSS | |||
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Lots of good advice here! As others have also stated on this thread, and many others, I too am a heavy-for-caliber guy. I constantly hear good things about 210 NP in 338, but I can't seem to convince myself to try it in my 338WM, unless I need a wind bucker for Antelope in Wyoming, where I normally use a 25-06. I've used the 200 gr. BST in my 338WM there. But for Elk or Moose, I will go for 250s or higher. I've used 250NP & 275SAF in Africa and loved both. In my 35 Whelen, I've used 250NP & 280SAF. I've bought a new Dakota Classic Deluxe in 338-06, and I am using it to hunt Elk this fall. I have bought Nosler Custom 250gr. NP and 210gr. NP ammo. My heavy-for-caliber brain is telling me to use the 250, but a new spirit of adventure is calling to me to try the 210. Somewhere in my psyche, I am asking myself, why not then just shoot a 30-06 with 200 gr. NP instead? That's very close to a 210. I guess this is why when I go up in caliber, I want to go up in good measure in weight as well. I'll probably use the 250... | |||
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I have used the 338 WM for approx. 30 years. Moose, red deer, roe deer, kudu, zebra and an assortment of lesser antilopes in RSA and Namibia. For most of these years, the 250 grs Woodleigh PP has been my "Go To" bullet with great success. These days I use a M70 i 338-06 and Woodleigh is still my first pick, now 225 grs PP. Arild Iversen. | |||
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Lots of good advice, I look for something that works and stick to it, rather boring. In the wife's Ruger no1 in 338 Win Mag the 250gr Nosler Accubond has proven itself time and again. Last night we counted 5 waterbuck bulls has succumbed to that combo. She says she has the confidence to take on a buffalo with that combo should her 416 or 500 not be available. | |||
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Well my brain says use either the 210 Nosler or the 225 / 250 premium your rifle shoots the best. My heart and experience say the 275 Speer is impossible to beat. The 250’s shoot 2650 and the 275 at 2550. The lighter go faster but all these bullets kill things very dead. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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I use woodleighs in my big bores and love them. Considered trying them in my 338wm when i have kore time to develop loads | |||
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265gr AB LR's loaded at 2600 fps mv in my 338 WM Ruger Hawkeye. VLD bullet, 0.732 G1 bc. Good accuracy. Decent downrange energy retention. | |||
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I use Hornady 225 gr Interbonds that shoot accurately and hit hard on kudu-sized animals. However, I have consistently found them to bruise and smash a lot of meat, more so than other bullets appear to do. Therefore, I believe that there are better bullets out there and will be changing when this batch is used up. I wonder if others have had similar experiences. | |||
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Back in the 80's we shot a lot of plains game with the 250gn NoslerPartition. It worked great. So did the 275 Speer, which was still in production back then. For "heavy" we had the Barnes "original" in 300grains, now duplicated by the Woodleigh 300gn. What's to add? Nowadays we shoot the 225gnTTSX and haven't recovered one. It's a good bullet and would seem to slightly outpentrate the old 250gnNP. However, this year I am experimenting and doing load development on the 210gnTTSX (very accurate so far, 2950fps) and have just ordered some 213 Hammer Hunters with their smooth minimal driving-band technology. For US deer I use a 185gn TTSX at 3150fps. Haven't recovered one yet. The 338WinMag is a very forgiving caliber to load for and to hunt with. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I shot my largest elk, 389 score with a 300 Woodleigh behind the last rib and it stopped behind the elks ear and put that elk down as it staggered around in a tight circle and died within 10 yards..I shot my Big Bison bull in the shoulder breakin both shoulders and got and exit hole about 3 inches, He just stood there rocking back and fourth for a few seconds, maybe a minute, didn't time it, and dropped dead. It worked wonders on Cape buffalo putting them down faster than most bullets Ive used. Killed my biggest with two of those 300 gr. Woodeighs..one hit the rear edge of the lungs, he ran in a circle scented us and came for us, at about 40 yards that second 300 gr. Woodleigh hit the heart and lungs and spine and dumped him..Ive always been leery of the monolithics as Ive had bad luck with them blowing off petals and becoming a solid more or less..I know and have many friends that swear by them, and I respect their choice, guess that's what makes a horse race... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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210 and 225 grain TTSX’s are the only bullets I’ve ever used in my 338. Bout a dozen moose. And couple dozen caribou and see no need for anything else. Shoots flatter then a 250, and I’ve yet to have s animal stop one, even from 400 yards. Only Angels and Aviators have wings | |||
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That's a bullet ! Not even a moose can catch one. (we've only recovered TTSX and TSX in larger caliber in buffalo.) +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I have used the 338 win mag the last 33 years . Its very versatile for all big game in North America .I use 200 grain Winchester power points on deer .The 225 grain speer grand slam were awesone but the 250 grain grand slam were even better .I let my best friend use my Winchester model 70 with a boss on moose he got 7 with 7 shots with speer 250 grain grand slam bulkets. The 338 win mag is perfict for all north American big game . | |||
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I like the TSX 210 I've killed both mule deer and elk with it and my son in law killed a huge elk with it. All my shots have dropped where they were hit. DW | |||
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I've hunted every year with my 338 WinMag for the last 35 years. I've tried all the bullets it seems, but have never found a bullet better than the 225 gr. Northfork. Now they are going out of business. I have a pretty good stock so that is the bullet I will use. Less fouling, easier to reach the desired velocity with because of the driving bands and accurate. Too bad Northfork is going under! My opinion is they are (were) the best bullet made. The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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I just received my first box of Hammer Hunter bullets, 213 grains. BC is .540 G1, G7: .266. They use sinusoidal driving bands for better BC and consistency. The nose petals fly out out CEB. (PS: the 213 is the name, the actual weight of the bullets is 210.1 grain because of design changes after the name was fixed.) I hope to do some load development in the next two weeks. I expect to reach 3000fps accurately because these bullets have low engraving pressure and typically get a little more velocity than traditional bullets. Their main drawback is expense, but it they are as accurate as many users testify, I may hunt with them this year. PPS: the many other bullets are also great, the 300 Woodleigh, 275gn Speer, 250 NP, 250gn LRX, 225 TTSX and 210 TTSX. But this "210" HH promises to be the cat's meow. Fast, wind-bucking, deep deep penetration, and wicked wound channels. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I have worn out 3 barrels on my 338 Win Mag (favourite calibre) the bullets I like best are Nosler Accubonds, Hornady Interbonds (not sure if they are still made), Woodleigh protected points, swift A-Frames, and Barnes TTSX. Take your pick, you can't go wrong with any of those. 225gn or 250gn bullets would be the weight choice if it was me, but I would lean towards 225gn. | |||
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Ive not found a bad bullet in the 338 Win. never had a failure with it..I keep trying. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I've had one bullet failure, the old Sierra 250grain BT in .338". I recovered at least one, maybe two where the jacket separated from the core. (I saw the same thing in .375"too.) While a person could say that the bullet had not failed because I recovered the jacket, the reasoning is less than satisfactory. I would say that core-jacket separation was proof that that particular bullet could not be relied on from all angles on game. It would be especially dangerous to use such a bullet on a buffalo, and I would not recommend the bullet for a 3/4 angle shot, either from the rear or the front. Sure, back in the 80's that 250gn Sierra had a nice BC and flew straight, but the name of the game is guaranteed penetration, and the Sierra did not pass muster. In the 80's the bullets of choice were the 250 Nosler Partition, 275 Speer, and the 300 grain Barnes original. Since then I've added several of the boutique bullets to the list of choice bullets, 210 and 225 grain TTSX, 250 grain LRX, the 213 Hammer Hunter, and some of the CEB bullets if they shoot in the particular rifle. Several others should work well, too, but I've never used the pretty looking Northforks, and some of the accubonds have lost too much weight for me to want them for an all around bullet in Africa. So yes, there are lots of bullets, and some are better than others for all around use with heavy game. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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When I bought a .338 Win., the first bullet I tried was the 250 partition. It worked fine on several elk. Then I tried the 225 gr. partition, and it worked fine on a couple of elk and 2 mule deer. Now I am using the 225 gr. TSX and it works fine on elk and on plains game (gemsbok, black wildebeest, springbok, warthog, and Hartman's mountain zebra). When I use up the TSX bullets I will try the TTSX. Your load with the 250 gr. partition should work fine on everything, as will about any quality bullet. | |||
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Interesting on 250 gr. Sierra BTSP I have shot one elk and some plainsgame and one Cape buffalo with it, like I do with every bullet sooner or later in my search for the ultimate bullet...Everything I shot with it came to rest on the off side under the skin in pefect mushrooms...Its a local favorite mostly because its cheaper, and they show them to me at the coffee shop..All seemed perfect..I do feel like they lack some penetration but still seem to get the job done..The localsl prefer the 228 Sierra BTSP, but some of them are shooting the 338-06 which Ive found to be kinder to softer bullets.. My favorite elk bullets are the soldered cores and partitions and I like exit holes..but one bullet I truly have had great results is the 225 Accubonds, and I get perhaps 50% exit holes is my guess.. I like Woodleigh, Nosler, GS Customs best in most any caliber, those bullets work..I have some North Forks left and they were good bullets, but again a tad short on penetration, mostly attributed to a large mushroom that tend to stop those nice exit holes. I have to say that I believe the off side skin tends to stop penetration and gives a false reading because those same bullets will penetrate these same animals stem to stern wherin no skin to stop the bullet, just my take based on my experience over the year, Guess that skin has a rubber effect that goes outward in the skin and comes back to rest and in most instance facing towards the entrance hole. Just my observation and opinion, Additionally and I forgot to type in this: The sierras tend to have the lead move forward and they do separate but seem to always come to rest together, with the front of the bullet facing the entrance hole, which indicates the partial separation comes about as the bullet hits the strong elastic off side skin..Just my oberservation based years of bullet digg'en! nothing valid! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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