I have been smitten by the 280 cal bug.I am in the process of researching before buying either a 280rem or 280 ackley improved rifle.I am a MDL 700 die hard,the new 700CDL in 280 looks really interesting 24" barrel.I have found a MDL 700 in 280AI with a 26" heavy barrel,HS precision stock etc.This rifle is being sold with load info and claims of 3225fps with 140gr accubonds and low round count.
What should I expect for speed with 140gr accubonds in the 24"tube 280rem?I am hoping for 3000fps,some guys have claims to this but the nosler manuals are'nt close in their numbers.
I would rather not step up to a 7mm rem mag but if thats the only way I will get the speed desired then I will look at being happy slower.

I gave up on the 7 RM in about 1972 and started to shoot the 280. I have 3, but my Rem Mtn rifle in a Rem tupperware stock is the favorite

I've been using a variety of 140gr bullets and found that 52.0 grains of IMR 4831 behind the 140 gets you about 2850 fps. You can push it faster, but you really don't gain anything in my book since that load kills whatever you shoot it at properly. The 154 Horny and 160 gr Nosler PT kill big stuff real well too.

Good luck with the 280...it's a fine round!!

Based on my personal experience, getting to 3000 fps in a 280 is not difficult. Shooting 140 NBT in front of H4831 gets me 3050 in my Abolt. While not a compressed load, it is very close to capacity.

I would question the need to push that bullet over 3200 for any reason, however. I do feel like that fast would shorten barrel life in a 280. Jim R

Well based on my work years ago with a Strain guage on my barrel. I went from 280-280AI-280JRS and then my own 280PDK.

3225 from a 280AI with a 140 from a 26" is really pushing it. Not saying it can't be done but you will be 65,000+. My own wildcat gives me 11% more capacity than the 280 and 6-7% over the280AI. I can make 3250 with the 140 from 23" but the pressure is 65000+/-. I load to 3150 and drop the prssure back to 61500. Likewise 3000 from the 280 is on the upper limits. It will take the right powder combination but you should be able to do it and stay in the 63,000 range.
When you get close to max you are often talking 800-900psi for a 10-15fps increase.

In the 280 I liked RL22 and in the AI Rl22 and Rl25.

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Based on my personal experience, getting to 3000 fps in a 280 is not difficult. Shooting 140 NBT in front of H4831 gets me 3050 in my Abolt. While not a compressed load, it is very close to capacity

Jim your A bolt is a 22" barrel correct?
This sounds promising,if you dont mind could you PM me with the details.
I thought the 3225 speed sounded a little extreme as well.I will be doing more research here in the next while before i order my rifle.

I gave up on the 7 RM in about 1972 and started to shoot the 280. I have 3, but my Rem Mtn rifle in a Rem tupperware stock is the favorite

Lowrider I shot a 270 mtn rifle with factory tupperware for years,I developed magnumitis and now have recovered.I will be putting a tupperware stock on the CDL if I go that route.

with my .280 mountain rifle w/21" barrel i get 2900'(chronographed) w/56grn RE-19 and 139grn interbond. definetly could squeeze more out of it but this is where it shoots and kills best. really is a leathal load.

bounty hunter

I've had a number of 280s over the years, and in fact I am having a lightweight sporter put together just now on a pre-64 FW action. Anyway, 23-24" barrel and you will have little difficulty getting to 3000 fps with a 140 with safe pressures.

I actually have a fondness for the 130 Speer BT at an honest 3100 fps. Does the job just fine on antelope through mulies at any sane range...

Re19, Re22, H4831SC are good powders to start with...

I'd skip the AI version, the standard version will handily fill your hunting needs...

A recent issue of Handloader Magazine has an interesting article by John Barsness. The point of the article is that while there are long waiting lists of people getting custom 280 AIs built, you can get the same performance in all bullet weights in a shorter, lighter and much cheaper rifle by buying a 7MM SAUM. The one

Remington sent him for evaluation was so accurate that he sent a check back to them instead of returning the rifle. Groups ran .5 to .75 with factory rounds.

I have recently heard that Big Green is now chambering the WSM cartridges for their rifles this year. I think that a 7MM WSM would be a better long term investment than a 7MM SAUM. But it's your money that's being spent, so it's your decision on which chambering to buy. Good Luck, Rusty.

I have had three .280s, all standards and am considering another on a Brno 21H action I have kicking around. I usually have loaded 160 NPTs to about 2800 with outstanding accuracy and this is my second favourite cartridge, after the .338 Win. My present one, a re-chambered 21H roundbolt will give a hair under 2800 with 160 NPGMFs and shoots these into .5" at 100M with boring regularity. It is light, superbly balanced and just a fine little piece, the .280 is, IMHO, the "ultimate" development of the basic .473" head case.

Ruttinbuck, are you possibly from the Kootenays, I used to have a friend around Nelson that built a lot of .280s, Ed.S., maybe you know him?

It's a good bug to be bitten by. You should easily reach 3000fps from a 24" bbl. My M70 has a 23" & I canget just over 3000fps w/ 140gr bullet using H4831sc or IMR7828. Stepping up to a 160grNP @ just over 2800fps for elk & you are in business.
I like the looks of the new M700, the M70 ft.wt. would also be a good choice.

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Ruttinbuck, are you possibly from the Kootenays, I used to have a friend around Nelson that built a lot of .280s, Ed.S., maybe you know him?

Naw Kutenay I am from Kamloops.

a 270 & 280 are the same round you can easily get 3,000 fps out of a 270 so you can out of a 280. I have 4 280's & would never try to get over 3,000 fps out of a 140 gr bullet.I have a custom sako with a 24" kreiger barrel & 139 hornady flat bases with a strong load of rl19 yield 2980. I may be old fashion but the idea of a bolt coming back at my head is not my idea of a good time.

tom, give H4831sc, RL22 or IMR7828 a try in your Sako. IMR7828 is pure magic in mine.

is remington offering the CDL in 280 again? I saw they did initially, but dropped that chambering after a short time......

The 7mm Rem Mag is such a sweet round, why would anyone want a .280?

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is remington offering the CDL in 280 again? I saw they did initially, but dropped that chambering after a short time......

A mailorder sporting goods buisness in Canada is advertising them.RB
Well there goes that theory.I just got off the phone with my mailorder house and they don't have and won't be getting the 280 rem in.I guess I can go with the mtn rifle DM,and hope the COAL does'nt exceed the clip.RB

I got that bite three years ago, never scratched it.
But if I DID, it would be an AI with 26" bbl. You should snag that if it's a good price. Shoot it lightly and treat it well for a bit, and if you don't like it you won't be out much $$ by reselling.
Lately I've become a fan of not running chamberings to the hilt, so if max 7mm Rem loads look just a wee higher than you're looking for, you might consider getting one and just loading it to a "mere" 59kpsi....
Other hand says you might ought to just come to appreciate what that '06 case will do with 140g .284" bullets at reasonab;e pressures. Anything that won't eat you is in danger within 300yd easy.

i went upstairs & got my load books & don't see anything close to 3,200 fps in a 280ai.
I don't have a strain gage so I rarely load over load manuels. hornady light mags in a 280 with 139 gr bullets are advertised at 3,110..none of my handloads are over 2,950 with that range bullet, the hornady load manuel max is 2,870 fps speer's with a 145 is 2,975. At 1 time there were 6 Jarette 280 ai in my hunt club now there are none. I personally have 4 custom 280's but have not hunted with 1 for years. This year I started the year with a 35 whelen in the thick swamp, after I killed my buck I moved to the food plots to cull does and used a 270.

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Originally posted by ruttinbuck:
I have been smitten by the 280 cal bug.I am in the process of researching before buying either a 280rem or 280 ackley improved rifle.I am a MDL 700 die hard,the new 700CDL in 280 looks really interesting 24" barrel.I have found a MDL 700 in 280AI with a 26" heavy barrel,HS precision stock etc.This rifle is being sold with load info and claims of 3225fps with 140gr accubonds and low round count.
What should I expect for speed with 140gr accubonds in the 24"tube 280rem?I am hoping for 3000fps,some guys have claims to this but the nosler manuals are'nt close in their numbers.
I would rather not step up to a 7mm rem mag but if thats the only way I will get the speed desired then I will look at being happy slower.

I have a 280 M700CDL, one of the first one out. Had it on order before the nitwits that answer the phones @ Remington knew about the run.

I get 3150Av with the 140 AB,62gr Vv N560 in a Norma Case . Yes this load is about 65K but so what? The 270 is loaded to that from the factory.

Love the CDL, the 24" barrel balances better for steady hold.

...and the RUM and a few others.
Not sure there's a need, but yeah, if the M700 can handle the RUM at that, it'll deal with anything the '06 case can give it.
And remember guys, with a 26" bbl you should add - what? - 75 fps to the realoding manuals?

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i went upstairs & got my load books & don't see anything close to 3,200 fps in a 280ai.

Current Nosler manual gives 280 AI velocities with 6 powders and 140 grain bullets: 3134, 3164, 3146, 3152, 3152, and 3196 all from a 24" barrel.

Add 2" of barrel and 3200 fps looks feasible, though I am sure max pressure.

those were my personal load books from a Jarette 280ai in the mid '90s..maybe I had a bad chrono or slow barrel or just hated the rifle.

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Originally posted by MajorCaliber:
The 7mm Rem Mag is such a sweet round, why would anyone want a .280?

I think 7mm magnums are best suited for 160 and 175 grain bullets. 7X64 Brenneke is very versatile caliber. Why bother with AI when there are faster calibers and much more suitable calibers available?

Cheers
/JOHAN

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Current Nosler manual gives 280 AI velocities with 6 powders and 140 grain bullets: 3134, 3164, 3146, 3152, 3152, and 3196 all from a 24" barrel.

Which Nosler Manual do you have. My number 4 only shows a max of 3153 and then 2 other powders at 3100.

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Which Nosler Manual do you have. My number 4 only shows a max of 3153 and then 2 other powders at 3100.

5th edition, pg. 256.

The powders, in order, are IMR4350, IMR4831, Re19, Viht N160, AA3100, and Re22

Barrel is a 24" Wiseman with a 9" twist.

Wow. It is amazing how quick a book can get out of date. I always saw the #4 loads to be a little on the light side from my own results.

I always buy the newest edition and keep the old one too - larger body of info to reference, especially when the powder/bullet combo I want to use isn't listed...

I'd expect 6th Nosler edition out before too long...

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I always buy the newest edition and keep the old one too

Well I did, or at least I thought I did. As I remembered I just bought the #4. LOL Then looked at the printing date just now and it is 1996. LOL Darn time sure passes faster as I get older.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
Well I did, or at least I thought I did. As I remembered I just bought the #4. LOL Then looked at the printing date just now and it is 1996. LOL Darn time sure passes faster as I get older.

Tell me about it, I've got quite a stack of reloading manuals now... I've started to cull some of the real early ones. I need the space...

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Bitten by the 280 bug

This is a self-limiting condition. It will go away the moment you purchase a 270.

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It will go away the moment you purchase a 270.

BORING... I'll take the 280 bug bite anyday...

.270WSM anyone?...

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Originally posted by Critter_Killer:
.270WSM anyone?...

Sure, beats the 270, and 280 anyday.

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Originally posted by Doc:

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Originally posted by Critter_Killer:
.270WSM anyone?...

Sure, beats the 270, and 280 anyday.

Well, since boring trumps new and superfluous, I'd have to say 270 WCF over 270 WSM. But then again, the 270 WCF is a just a cheap rip off of the original "280" - the 7x64 Brenneke.

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Originally posted by Doc:

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Originally posted by Critter_Killer:
.270WSM anyone?...

Sure, beats the 270, and 280 anyday.

No it doesn't

I think that the 280 is a good round. I have a 280 improved & I am not sure that I would reccomend it over a standard 280 at the moment. I have only tried one powder so far. I am aobut to finish with it & I am going to move on the Re22 & see how it does with that.

hb, give IMR7828 a try in your .280ai. This powder gives me the best accuracy & vel. in my .280 w/ bullets from 145-175gr. It should be even better in an AI.

I also find IMR-7828 just superb in my .280 std., I stick with 160 gr. bullets and this is the finest standard hunting cartridge available for the serious gunnut/reloader. If, I could only use two cartridges, one would be a .338 Win. and the other a .280 Rem. I am itching to buy another Husqvarna 4100 I have found in order to build the lightest possible CRF .280 on the action.

The problem with these little Husqies is that every time I get one, it shoots so well that I cannot bring myself to change out the original barrel, so, I try to find a damaged one and am hot on the trail of one at present. I figure that I can get it under 7 lbs. ready to rock, a nice weight for a "geezer gun" in alpine conditions.

Hello the camp:
The standard .280 will give you enough feet per seconds to do what you need doing. I load with Bounty Hunters Rx in both the 139 and 154 grain interbonds. I have both a 7mm mag and a 270. Even given the differances in the rifles,the 289 out shoot both of them. As they say, if I had to chose one .380 is it. udge Sharpe

Well the gods must like me.I got a call today from a gunstore half way across this vast country.The guy has a 700BDL pre J-lock 22" barrel 280rem NIB.I am really thinking here because of the 22" barrel,I really thought the 24" was the way to go.The fence gets skinnier by the hour.LOL
I see we are split on this thread, wether or not I should be able to reach approx 3000fps with 140gr accubonds in a 22" tube.