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Hi guys, What kinds of velocities have you achieved using 200, 220 or 250grs bullets in the .30-40? Or experiences with the 7,62x54R? I'm not interested in loads, just the ballistics. What heavy bullets have you found good for hunting big(gish) game such as elk, moose, wild boar, and bear? Is there really any point in going for the heavier bullets with today's good .30 caliber 180grs bullets? - Lars/Finland A.k.a. Bwana One-Shot | ||
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In a strong action, I have gotten 2700 FPS with a 200-grain bullet, and 2450 with a 220-grain bullet from the 30/40. Ruger No.3 rifle. "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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I used 220 gr Hornady roundnose softs @ 2450 fps in my 30'06 in Africa in 1997 and found them on the soft side from jackal, warthog, and wildebeest. Maybe they'd behave better at lower velocities, but a 180 spitzer ought to help you flatten the trajectory of the 30/40. | |||
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No mean feat. Sako's factory figures for the 220grs bullet in the .30-06 is 2411fps. What's a Ruger Number 3? I only know the Number 1. - Lars A.k.a. Bwana One-Shot | |||
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#3 and #1 are basically the same gun. #3 is a lighter short carbine, barrel band around barrel and foreend, different lever. I would think 2700 fps with a 200 gr in a #3 would be mean to the shoulder. JJK | |||
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Well Lars: I shoot the 06 with 220 grainers at 2500 fps, handloaded... I shoot 220 grain RN's in a 30.40 Krag at 2000 fps... I shoot 220 grain RN's out of a 300 Win Mag at 2950 fps... using both the Sierra and Hornady 220 grain Round Noses, I can tell you with its high sectional density and round nose design, those two bullets have performed very well regardless of MV starting out.. despite being a round nose, especially out of a 300 Win Mag at 2950 fps MV, it is a relatively flat shooting bullet, given its high sectional density and bullet weight.. for punch I still prefer it over a 180 grain bullet any day... and don't forget the Nosler 220 SMP partition.. | |||
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220 grain Sierra or Hornady's in the 30-40 at 2000 from a moderate load of 4350 is very accurate and were regulated with the Krags original sights. Don't try to hot load the Krag; it had a reputation as reliable killer of the largest North American game with the original load. | |||
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What gun are you using Lars? I regret choosing 168 TSX over 220 Sierra RN's for this years moosehunt now. I havent tried them but I would expect 2300+ fps from my 20" barreled 30-40 Krag. Thats from a new solid gun and my cases hold 62 gn of water not 58 as expected. | |||
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Actually, it's a Winchester 1895 in 7,62x53R. The reason I ask about the Krag is that the cartridges are rather similar in dimensions, but I found little info about the heavy slugs in the 7,62 - in fact the Finnish forums oughta yield a good result here. I figured there's plenty of info on the Krag on this forum. That's also why I didn't ask about loads specifically, just velocities to get some kind of idea. The 7,62 allows 20% more pressure (according to CIP tables) than the Krag. - Lars A.k.a. Bwana One-Shot | |||
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Pressure is only an issue with the 30/40 if you are shooting it from an original Krag action or one of comparable strength. If you are shooting it in a Ruger single shot action, the Krag case will stand up with the best of them. "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Sorry - I expressed myself poorly (was busy when I was writing). What I meant to say is that the Krag and the 7,62x53R are dimensionally rather similar, and the case capacities are rather similar, too. In fact, the 7,62 seems to be a bit more voluminous. Thus, whatever the Krag can achieve is also achievable in the 7,62. In any action, I'd be very hesitant to exceed allowed max. pressures. - Lars A.k.a. Bwana One-Shot | |||
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So true. I had a Sharps Borchardt in 30-40 Ackley and loaded to Ackley's specs , without case problems. DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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From Hogdon: 7.62X 54R 200 GR. SPR SP H4831 2.950" 52.0 2348 41,100 55.0C 2468 45,700 CUP 200 GR. SPR SP H4350 2.950" 48.0 2329 37,400 CUP 52.0 2529 46,500 CUP 200 GR. SPR SP H414 2.950" 48.0 2396 40,500 CUP 51.0 2526 45,500 CUP 200 GR. SPR SP H380 2.950" 46.0 2337 41,200 CUP 49.0 2432 46,600 CUP 200 GR. SPR SP Varget 2.950" 41.0 2304 41,500 CUP 44.0 2412 46,000 CUP 200 GR. SPR SP H4895 2.950" 39.0 2271 41,400 CUP 42.2 2411 46,400 CUP 220 GR. HDY JRN H4831 2.830" 50.0 2209 39,100 CUP 54.0C 2381 46,000 CUP 220 GR. HDY JRN H4350 2.830" 47.0 2227 37,600 cup 50.5C 2396 45,900 CUP 220 GR. HDY JRN H414 2.830" 47.0 2296 40,200 CUP 49.5 2401 44,500 CUP 220 GR. HDY JRN H380 2.830" 43.0 2145 39,400 CUP 46.0 2274 45,900 CUP 220 GR. HDY JRN Varget 2.830" 40.0 2178 42,300 CUP 42.5 2269 46,000 CUP 220 GR. HDY JRN H4895 2.830" 38.0 2143 41,200 CUP 41.0 2263 46,600 CUP DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Schauckis, the 7.62x54R is comparable to the 30-06, not the 30-40 Krag. From Hodgdon 30-06 220 GR. HDY JRN Hodgdon H4350 50.0 2318 43,400 CUP Hodgdon H4350 53.0 2435 49,200 CUP Regards 303Guy | |||
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"Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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True enough that I barreled a Rigby .303 slant-box action to 30-40 Krag and have expectations of .308 performance without issue. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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