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Anyone have experience with this cartridge? ... For he today, that sheds his blood with me, shall be my brother. | ||
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at the risk of being accused of heresy, and just MHO. yes, get a 35 whelen with a 12 twist.  GWB | |||
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Yes...grn for grn...one helluva killer... Have taken deer, pigs, elk, zebra, warthog, waterbuck, kudu, and impala with it Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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i have one. it generally goes point,squeeze trigger,get out the knife. i use 250gr cast boolits in mine at about 2400 fps. maybe the storebough jaxketed stuff works differently. | |||
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I'd love to have 6.5lb 358win, shooting a 225 NP it would be a perfect rifle for 90% of Alaska's hunting. I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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I used to own two - one was a rebarrelled Mod 70 push feed that pointed like it was part of my arm. Point & shoot - dead deer. the other was a BLR that also handled well but I sold it to a pal. Sierra 225 gr SPBT @ 2400 fps - lethal out to 250 meters. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Very nice cartridge and can be bulit in a very light rifle. Very mild recoil also. Don't believe the old articles that said it kicked bad. This is probably what kept the 358 from becoming a very popular cartridge. Also the Win 88 was never loved much either. As Nakihunter says, within 250 yards its deadly and great for anything thin skinned that walks the earth with the right bullet. Sam | |||
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I personally consider the 358 Winchester could be dressed-up into a fantastic Drive Hunt rifle w/a 20" medium stiff tube on Remington 700 L/H'ed (my preference; of course) short action. Sorta like a 35 Whelen "Kurz". Add a low-powered Red Dot and Voilá. I know a German who owns a L/Hed S/A Remington 700 in .243 Winchester and I never fail to test the waters concerning a potential sale when we meet. I'm sure not gonna tell him what I'd have in store for it - perhaps I'll get lucky one day. Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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I've had at least one 358 Win. for the last 3 decades. Out to 250 yards there is nothing in North America that it's to light for, with a proper bullet. Just stay away from Hornady 200 gr. SP, the bullets made in the past 3-4 years just come apart at ranges of under 100 yards. Here's what is left of a Hornady 200 gr. SP with a muzzle velosity of 2475 FPS, recovered from a 200 LB. black bear shot at 75 yard broad side. The recovered pieces weighed 126 grains.  This is what the entrance hole looked like. If the front shoulder was hit instead of ribs the bear would never been recovered because of the lack of penetration.  The Hornady 250 gr. RN is the way to go, the 250 gr. SP just doesn't seam to open up as much at the longer distances as the RN. | |||
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I have one in BLR and I love it. I've only used it on PA. whitetails (works great). I wish mine was a takedown model for US West & African travel...I just really like takedowns, esp. BLRs | |||
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Next to the 375 H&H it's my favorite cartridge. I currently have a M70 Classic SA with a Pacnor barrel. It's my go to gun for hunting deer, elk and pigs in the thick stuff, or where I know shots won't be over 300 yards. **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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One of the favorite rifles that I own. Mine is a Ruger stainless M77 topped with a lupy 2-7x33. It is my woods rifle but I wouldn't hesitate to use it on deer or elk out to 250 yards. I use Nosler Partitions 225 grain over a moderately stiff charge of Ramshot TAC. For comparison, I have a 9.3x62, 300 Win Mag, and a 25-06 but the little 358 win is at the top. Fun to shoot, easy to reload and light enough to be a pleasure to carry. Start young, hunt hard, and enjoy God's bounty. | |||
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I have a Browning A Bolt that was made in a special run 358 Winchester for a Pennsylvania gun shop. It has a 20 inch barrel and is basically a youth model but with a standard length of pull stock. I found a good load with a 200 grain round nose (yes I said round nose-they still make them) with Winchester 748 powder as well as 158 grain pistol bullet for practice. I have not taken any game with it yet but look forward to this year. The most challenging issue with the 358 Winchester is getting enough powder in the case without really heavy compression. Win 748 and Accurate 2520 are two good choices. With 250 grain bullets and keeping the ranges moderate, it should work for anything except maybe the biggest bears. Get one, you’ll like it. Paul "Diligentia - Vis - Celeritas" NRA Benefactor Member Member DRSS | |||
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Thanks everyone! That's kind of what I thought,too. I have a couple of short actions that would be good candidates. Looks like I have a 358 in my future. Thanks again. ... For he today, that sheds his blood with me, shall be my brother. | |||
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outstanding caliber, that just comes alive with speer 225gr gamekings .. i currently only have 2 358 wins .. and one is the idealized mexican mauser and tiny barrel and tint stock ... kills way beyound its weight class... with all due respect, the federal load for the 35 whelen is 225gr at 2500 fps ... which i can easily match with a 1:10 twist + 225 speer in a 358 winchester - but i've only had 1/2 a dozen 358 wins opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I had one built on a Sako action that shot lights out, by far one of the most accurate gun I have ever had. I also had a models M77 ruger that shot well to, great balanced round. Ed DRSS Member | |||
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This thread has me fired up. I just recently came into two 358's. One is a Remington 700 that handles very nice and the other is a Rem 760 that used to be a 35 REM. Anxiously waiting a time to get out to the range. I would like to develop one load to shoot in both rifles. I have some Speer 220gr FP's that I hope shoot well in both rifles. Those bullets shot great out of a Rem 673 in 350RM and a 358 BLR I used to own. Sold the RM in a moment of weakness and could never get attached to the levergun. What powders have you had the best experience with? Win 748, BL-C2? | |||
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Paul Reed, If you have not shot any game with it, my suggestion is to change to the 225 gr Sierra or the Nosler Partition or Accubond. The Hornady 200gr RN is not a good bullet for this cartridge. IIRCR that bullet was meant for the 35 Rem which is a much slower cartridge. I know a friend who used the 200gr RN on a red deer hind and lost faith in the cartridge when he should have blamed the bullet! JMHO. Good luck with your rifle. PS. You will also avoid compression problems with the 225gr. Read John Barsness' article on the 358 Win. He uses Ramshot powders with great results.
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Getting spring fever, I was out doing some shooting today with my .358 Win. BLR. I load the 310gr Woodleigh soft nose bullet at 2000 fps MV using RL-15. Here's a photo of my rifle with a Leupold Scout scope -  | |||
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Naki, Thanks for the tip and I will investigate those bullets. Hard to argue with real world experience. I have the Barsness article and knew that he liked the Ramshot powders. I’ve been trying to find some but of course with the run on all reloading comments it has been challenging. In PA our shots are a maximum of 100 to 150 yards and the Nosler Partition would be my choice as I have had great experience with them. Just a question though-how would a heavier and generally longer bullet reduce powder compression? Either way I will take your suggestions under consideration for my reloading. Thanks for the input. Paul "Diligentia - Vis - Celeritas" NRA Benefactor Member Member DRSS | |||
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Another vote for the 225 grain SGK. I am also trying the 200 Hornady FTX - may be a little soft for 358 Win velocities, but they look cool! **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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I took all my elk and african game with the 225 partition...as I recall it was a stout load of W748...but later I switched to varget Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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We used the 358 and the 200gr TTSX driven by TAC last June in Africa taking wildebeest, gemsbuck, a couple of warthogs, blesbuck, impala and springbuck. We recovered exactly one bullet from the hip of a cull warthog after taking a slightly angled frontal shot.    | |||
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Very nice looking rifle Boxhead and the warthog as well. What velocity were you pushing the Barnes? | |||
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The 225 gr is a Spire Point & so the ogive is further back & you use less powder! So you get less compression of loads. The 200 gr TSX is also a great option as you should get 2700 fps but I have not tried them in this cartridge. The Nosler accubond should be great too. I used IMR 3031 but I am sure there are other good powders.
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I use IMR3031 also in my 358 Savage 99R and 225gr. cast bullets. | |||
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Thanks. Velocity is right at 2600 fps from the 20" barrel. Hog number two that fell to the combo.  | |||
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The one I had just couldn't be made to shoot under 3 inchs. Vel was on the slow side. One of the few guns I don't regret selling. | |||
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I've had two, one a pre 64 featherweight the other a M-77 Hawkeye. Both were ghost ring sighted. I sold the pre 64 as I got an offer I couldn't refuse. I restocked the Ruger as it is a stainless gun and the plastic Ruger stock is less than useless. It would bend and become plyable when it was hot. A total POS. I put it into a decent after market stock and replaced the firing spring with a heavy duty one as i was getting some soft hits with the factory spring. It is now a rock solid reliable thumper. I shoot 225 gr Branes TSX and 225 gr AB's out of it. It is hell on hogs which is the only game I've ever killed with it. The main advantage however is it's light slim a dream to carry and hits very hard even on the largest game. Over all a very useful little rifle especially in thick brush country where I hunt hogs. I'd have no issues taking it into the hills for elk either as it carries so easily and slips into a saddle scabbard with no undue drama at all. What it lacks in reach it more than makes up for in portability. And you wouldn't want me shooting at you with it inside of 300 yards for sure. | |||
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For us non-handloaders, Double Tap Ammunition sells some good hunting loads in .358 | |||
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What more can be said. I absolutely love my BLR 81 358.  My load is H4895 under a Nosler 225 gr Partition. That will suffice for anything I would hunt in Georgia. Out of a safe full of rifles, this is now my go to hunting rifle. One day, I want a Winchester M70 FWT compact and I may rebarrel or make it a switch barrel with a 358 barrel. | |||
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Wish I had a safe full of a variety of .358s. I have a Savage 99. It works like someone said. You shoot and get out your knife. | |||
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