Just curious. A local shop has a really nice one that was rechambered to 300 Ultramag for $750. If it were a 300 H&H I would find a way!

The only CZ 602 in 30 cal I have seen is the 300 Win Mag.

Thanks Snowman.

i recall, back in the day, many people complaining that those, and the CZ

the 602 isn't a CZ -- I am not being a jerk or picking fly specks . it is a BRNO ZKK602 -- CZ isn't exactly related --- like calling a Ford Fiesta a Cadillac -- while the company that became Caddy was founded by ford (no, really, look it up) we don't compare an escort with an CTS

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
i recall, back in the day, many people complaining that those, and the CZ

the 602 isn't a CZ -- I am not being a jerk or picking fly specks . it is a BRNO ZKK602 -- CZ isn't exactly related --- like calling a Ford Fiesta a Cadillac -- while the company that became Caddy was founded by ford (no, really, look it up) we don't compare an escort with an CTS

Yeah, the OP's post is confusing.

Does he mean a CZ 550 or the predecessor magnum action, the old BRNO 602? I have a 602 in .375 H&H. As far as I know, the BRNO 602 rifles were only made in the .375 Holland and 458 WinMag.

CZ did do limited runs of their 550 magnums in 300 Win Mag - as well as the .300 H&H chambering. I believe CZ also did a run of 550s in 7mm Rem Mag.

Check Gun Broker as these CZ magnum 550s pop up for sale there regularly, once the luster of having one wears off because the owner realized his fantasy of ever going to Africa for The Big Safari just won't happen in this lifetime.

Sorry BRNO 602. About the same action as a 55O. I suspect a CZ 30 cal barrel was rechambered and fit to the 602.

i've seen zkk602 in 300 win, iirc .. i don't recall ever seeing a cz550 in the same --

yes, very similar actions externally -- using the same parts in many places .. the safety and the trigger aren't compatible ... the 602 having the "backwards" side safety as well as the trigger being mounted on the bottom metal .. both used the same manf rear sight inserts, front bands, etc ... but much farther apart than a win model (whatever) coyote and a montana m70 clone ...

To the end of the ZKK 602 tenure they did chamber for 300 Win mag ( post pop up peep era)

The 602 was offered in in 375, 458 win 358 Norma mag and 300 win mag.

The action was the invention of Franticek and Josef Koucky

The ZKK's were built by CZ
The 600 ran from 1966 to 1995
The 601 ran from 1966 to 1995
The 602 from 1967 to 1995

The CZ 550 came after and used the same action body as the ZKK but the bolt shroud and trigger group / bottom metal was altered.

The design came from a trio of engineers at CZ namely Karel Strouhal, Jan Mucha and Jaroslav Pittner.

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Originally posted by ALF:
To the end of the ZKK 602 tenure they did chamber for 300 Win mag ( post pop up peep era)

The 602 was offered in in 375, 458 win 358 Norma mag and 300 win mag.

The action was the invention of Franticek and Josef Koucky

The ZKK's were built by CZ
The 600 ran from 1966 to 1995
The 601 ran from 1966 to 1995
The 602 from 1967 to 1995

The CZ 550 came after and used the same action body as the ZKK but the bolt shroud and trigger group / bottom metal was altered.

The design came from a trio of engineers at CZ namely Karel Strouhal, Jan Mucha and Jaroslav Pittner.

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Great info. Thanks ALF! Yeah, never saw a 602 in 300WM or the 358 NM.

Over the years at gunshows, I have seen at least three or four 458 BRNOs that were worn but still serviceable, all still wearing the factory "hog-back" stock, and the sellers all wanted big $$$ for them. The last one seen was about 15-yrs ago at a gunshow.

In my years of trolling these shows I've tried hard to spot one of the "pop-up peep" BRNO 601s for the action itself unless it was in .308. Never saw one though.

If it has a hog back stock it's a CZ550 and not a ZKK
ZKK's came in two stock configurations De luxe and Standard, neither were hog backs.

The deluxe had a Cheek piece and faux dark tip fore end glued in with a white spacer. The fore end was not ebony it was simply the generic stock wood but stained dark. Same with the grip cap also made of a piece of stained wood.

The standard was just a plain stock sans any fancy add ons.

In both the checkering was crude and machine made.

The pop up peeps are something of a enigma to me because the rear sight fixed stand up blade is in the way of using the pop up as it was intended to.

For the last 10 years or so CZ has offered the .300 Win Mag in a package called the 'CZ 550 Ultimate Hunting Rifle'. It's still offered. Can't remember if it was chambered in other 550 models or not. You can also special order a 550 in 300 WM from CZ's custom shop.

CZ also did some 550s in 7mm RM. Pretty sure they were a 'lux' model or 'lux carbine'.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ALF:
To the end of the ZKK 602 tenure they did chamber for 300 Win mag ( post pop up peep era)

The 602 was offered in in 375, 458 win 358 Norma mag and 300 win mag.

The Brno 602 was also made in the 8x68 cal as well. I owned one up til a few years ago. Very accurate but just too heavy.

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Originally posted by snowman:
The only CZ 602 in 30 cal I have seen is the 300 Win Mag.

I have seen one in 300 Weatherby Magnum, with a full barrel silencer!!!

Just imagine how stupid that is.

I am sure it was an aftermarket custom job, and they made a bloody has of it.

I have the rifle, which I disassembled.

I got it in an exchange, and after I fired. Couple of rounds through it, I decided to take it apart and just use the action.

What happened was that pieces of bullets would go through the holes drilled in the barrel, and make tiny holes in the silencer tube over it!!!?

I think some just turned the barrel down then used a drill to drill holes in it.

The holes must have sharp edges in them, tearing bits out of the bullet.

Anyway, putting a silencer on a 300 Weatherby Magnum ranks as one of the most stupid things anyone could think of!

We have put silencers on 308 Winchester rifles and developed loads for each that work very well.

I remember seeing an advertisement around late 1980 (???) for the ZKK 602 chambered in eighter 416 Rigby or 404 Jeffery.
If that was a factory issue, or something else I cant recall, but I remember i talked with a gun smith about it as I have just bought my 602 in 375 H&H from him...

An that spesific 375 H&H (a De luxe model) was ment for export to USA.
The barrel was marked Bauska Arms Kalispell MT.
The series never made it to US shores due to political issues (Iron Curtain still in force). So the Bauska rifles was sold i Europe, and one rested for some years in my keeping.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ALF:
If it has a hog back stock it's a CZ550 and not a ZKK
ZKK's came in two stock configurations De luxe and Standard, neither were hog backs.

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A friend of mine had a ZKK 602 in 458 Winmag with the hog back stock original from the factory.
He had a barrel swap and made a matching pair of two ZKK 602 in 375 H&H and 300 H&H with stocks from Richards Microfit.
He still got the hog back stock and the original 458 W barrel.

The 602 300 RUM at the local shop has the Bavarian hog back stock.

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Originally posted by ColoradoMatt:
The 602 300 RUM at the local shop has the Bavarian hog back stock.

Yeah, my BRNO 602 is a 1991 build, and while the stock was a 'standard' type, it was definitely a Hog-Back.

I had a Brno at one time post mod. 21 and 22 obviously, and resembled a 601 I suppose, it was orginal as best I could tell and in 30-06. Had a hard time getting it identified as nobody had anything but guess and by gosh. it was a real nice gun, and I got a good price for it, still not sure what it was, other than it was a Brno...

I had a chance to look at the 602 again today. The left side of the action reads: “CZ 602 ZKK”.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
i recall, back in the day, many people complaining that those, and the CZ

the 602 isn't a CZ -- I am not being a jerk or picking fly specks . it is a BRNO ZKK602 -- CZ isn't exactly related --- like calling a Ford Fiesta a Cadillac -- while the company that became Caddy was founded by ford (no, really, look it up) we don't compare an escort with an CTS

I'm a Ford man myself. Wouldn't call the Caddy a Ford but maybe lots of other things!

I'm pretty sure my 600 series say CZ.

Not So fast these Caddy's and Fords were all built in the same factory !

But under Communist rule the names and control of companies changed.

They all were under central control a large conglomerate. Some were separated as entities so as to be able to trade on the open "western market"

The Original Brno ZKK or Koucky Brothers rifle was always built by what is now known as CZ !

We must not forget that the various plants and factories at first started as separate companies, then were thrown together and named by number as "peoples" factories under communist rule

What changed was the fall of the Warsaw pact and in 1989 CZ was divorced from Brno so that by 1992 it functioned as a separate corporate entity . They inherited the greater majority of the Czech arms product line military and civilian)

ZB ( Arms factory Brno ) also went their own way and by 1995 they were reformed into a new entity.
They kept 23 production fields and 114 end products. They kept Holek ( ZH range) shotguns.
The ZP ( Pitzecki range of side lock S/S )
shotguns The 500 Series over and under combo guns the ZKM 611 Semi auto 22 and the ZKR revolver

The Rifle shown with it's hogsback with the ZKK on the side is a modern post 89 CZ ! and not a original ZKK !

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Originally posted by ALF:

The Rifle shown with it's hogsback with the ZKK on the side is a modern post 89 CZ ! and not a original ZKK !

It does have a hog back stock, but the action is pure 602, including the trigger I suppose this could be called a transition rifle.

I have 2 Brno 602 actions that were in 300 Win. mag . The rifles were going very cheap and I bought them for the actions. I also have a 602 in 8x68 .

Mark

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I had a Brno at one time post mod. 21 and 22 obviously, and resembled a 601 I suppose, it was orginal as best I could tell and in 30-06. Had a hard time getting it identified as nobody had anything but guess and by gosh. it was a real nice gun, and I got a good price for it, still not sure what it was, other than it was a Brno...

I think that would be a Brno ZG47 Ray, hard to find but heaps of them were in 270Win & 30/06 I noticed, 7mmX64 to !

I had some communication about a ZKK 602 with CZ USA. They classified it as a BRNO and not a CZ. I think they wanted to wash their hands of it which is funny since I bought it from them when they moved to Kansas City, Kansas. I suspect it was leftover Brno stock they were closing out during some kind of transition.

Seriously CZ USA would not know what a Brno is even if it slapped them in the face !

All Brno ZKK's are CZ's built in their CZ Uhersky Brod Plant !

The Rifles are a Koucky brothers design out of the design offices at Zbrojovka Brno but built by CZ.

The rifles wear the then CZ logo on the front bridge just in front of the Brno and ZKK inscription.

The reason for a practise at the time brought about by a number of historical events.

The first which was to move the CZ factory from Straconice to Uhersky Brod because of the spectre of war and the sedition of the Sudetenland to Germany.

ZB ( Brno) actually built Mausers with tooling bought from Mauser. Mauser even sent them a engineer Josef Nickl who oversaw the Mauser production.


The second had to do with the post war Czech arms trade where all civilian firearms were traded and also marked as Brno's irrespective of where they were built. A specific trading company was set up tasked with the export of arms to the world. Czechoslovakia became communist in 1946.

I had gun #18222 chambered in .300 WinMag. I had ordered it from Action Arms of Philadelphia Pa? in early 1990s. Very accurate rifle, but I moved it because it was heavy for caliber the bolt throw was long and stock had too much drop for me for comfortable use with scope. If it had that monte carlo style stock I probably would have kept it.