many years ago i had a remington 760 pump 30/06 using leupold qrw rings i had a 2x sighted in with 220 rn for close up woods hunting, and when i wanted to hunt fields i just switched to my 3x9 sighted in with 150 boat tails. it was like having two guns in one. i plan on doing it again with a m700 but this time using a 1x4 then switch to a 4x12

I don't get your point, these blogs are designed for conversation and opinion and if one likes a certain caliber and doesn't like another then he inserts his point of view. its an open society and a lot of knowledge to be gained from time to time. I call it all campfire talk, been going on long before you and I were borned.

The option would amount to blank pages.

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Originally posted by TXRandy:
How about the 168 grain Barnes TTSX at 2900 fps ?

I can't speak directly to the 168 TTSX, but did do several Australian culls with the 168 TSX in the 30-06. It was one of a few different bullets used.

After right around 550 animals it was obvious that the 168 TSX was the deepest penetrating and the slowest killing. It was just as obvious after the first day but sometimes points have to be hammered home.

Dogleg is spot on..the heavier bullets expand less and kill game slower, but on big animals the heavy bullets penetrate better leave a better blood trail and I believe them to be more sure.

I also believe the Nosler partition to be the exception to the rule..The front portion expands on contact greatly, so the heavier bullet is best in all cases IMO, even on such game as Impala and Bushbuck or the small Coues deer.

The Nosler Partition's strength is that it is a soft easily expanding bullet that will act like 2 bullets. Half varmint bullet, blowing wide wound channels and half solid just in case Plan A didn't work. More or less like the H-Mantle that came before it.

In most hunting applications weight retention is over rated.

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Originally posted by Dogleg:

In most hunting applications weight retention is over rated.

Yet it was the failure or rather poor performance, of more ordinary cupcore bullet on game,
that led Mr.Nosler to the concept of a superior 'partition' design bullet
in aim of better weigh retention for improved-more reliable penetration.

Considering the long established success and reputation of the NP,
I don't think many people would consider the design as over-kill.

..and in most hunting situation where someone actually honestly requires the performance
level of a premium soft bullet, a carefully chosen NP is quite sufficient for the task.

One can spend twice as much (or more) per/piece for a super premium hunting bullet (vs) a cheaper NP,
but not see much or any difference regarding the killing effect on game....unless under rather extreme
demanding circumstances, where super-premiums can definitely display their performance edge.
However, For a lot of dedicated hunters those requirements for extreme bullet performance, are not required.

NP really helped Roy Weatherby put his array of cartridges on the map over the yrs, because of the satisfying
results they achieved in the field on Big Game.
the awesome .340WBY got its legend long range ELK thumper status, based on it being stuffed with a 210NP...

but don't get me wrong, I see good merit in most premium design bullets from the various makers.
Eg; PHs culling cape buffalo herds with GSC 200gn monos(.338cal) and getting consistent One Shot Kills!

I believe that the Nosler kills as well as it does because of its weight loss, not in spite of it.

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
I believe that the Nosler kills as well as it does because of its weight loss, not in spite of it.

What has made NP such a great success as a trusted BG bullet, is the fact that the rear section does not
disintegrate like the forward section.
The problem Mr.Nosler encountered with ordinary cupcores in his .300H&H, is that they were not strong enough
in construction to give sufficient penetrate on large game..... So he went about designing the NP and largely solved that problem.
_Mr Nosler was in persuite of better penetration by designing a bulet with a partition that in effect increased weight retention,
by limiting & thus reducing the level of bullet disintergration possible, as compared to the more ordinary lesser performing cupcores of his time.

When you get into the heavier calibres for large & DG, many hunters today would prefer a premium bonded soft that does not disintegrate
in the forward section as does a NP.....hence the fine reputation of the AFrame and Northfork.
Test on elephant have shown equal weight & calibre NF bonded softs penetrating a good margin more than the NP.
But that does not make the NP obsolete or something to totally ignore when looking for a good performing BG bullet.

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Originally posted by TXRandy:
How about the 168 grain Barnes TTSX at 2900 fps ?

This works for me. It is a good blend of speed and thump. I also use the same bullet in my 300 Weatherby when I "feel" like it.

I recall being a participant in this conversation about 100 to a 1000 times..Its right up there with the 270 vs. the 30-06. and almost everyone is correct.

The Nosler Partition is the bullet by which all others are judged by and rightly so..Every new bullet maker jumps on the band wagon and makes claims about how much better is bullets are than Noslers, and within time he disappears off the face of the earth, usually in bank ruptcy..ho hum!