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My girlfriend and I are both graduating college next year and planning on moving out west, specifically Utah. I'm looking for some advice on what to do. I currently have a .458 win mag with lots of brass and factory ammo (rem 700 safari) never hunted anything larger than ground hog with it. And a newly acquired Ruger M-77 scoped with a leupold in 300 Win mag. I've just started doing some load testing with it and so far it shoots fairly well with the 200gr sierra's. If we do move out west I plan on stepping up the hunting a lot. I have been thinking about getting a CZ-550 in 375 H&H with the laminated stock to replace both the 300 and the 458. Looking at what I've spent on components for the two it seems like it would cost the same to feed the one rifle as it does to feed two separate rifles now. Thoughts? Yes you can shoot it...No you can't have it...Yes I will hunt you down if it turns up missing | ||
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Your question says that you will be moving to Utah. What animals live in Utah that a 300WM can't handle? I'm missing the connection/need for the 375 H & H. Save your money and use it to hunt. | |||
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I believe the last elephant in Utah was killed in 1947. And the extinction of rhinoes goes back to Indian times. Your .300 (and a nice 7-08 for the missus) will cover anything you're apt to run acrost in Utah.  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Groundhog must be big in Ohio! | |||
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If I'm reading this right, you're looking for one rifle to cover a wide spectrum. If that was me, I'd be looking at a .338 WM rather than a .375. It will handle anything in the US including Alaska, fits in a standard action and ammo and components can be found almost anywhere. By far the best all around choice for North America. That's my two bits for today.   | |||
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I had .30-06, .300 Sav, .300Win, 9,3x62 and .375H&H. I now have .300H&H and .350Rem. After this fall only Remington short carabine with laminated stock will remain. I shoot 225gr Nosler ammo out of it and that's all I need. | |||
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Well, I am a pretty boring guy. But if you are concerned about the cost of feeding, just sell the 458 and keep the 300 WM. If you don't like either, then sell them both and get a 30-06. There is not an animal in the lower 48 that is going to tell the difference from a well placed shot from anything between a 270 and 338 WM inside of 300 yards. Next time your in the field...checkout just how far 300 yards is. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I agree with the other guys that said the 300 WM will handle anything in Utah. Heck, it will handle anything in North America. If you are looking to buy a new gun, I'd sell that 458 and buy something on the lighter side, like a 270 or 25-06. Either would be great for deer size game and pleasant to shoot. | |||
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yeah, Well my thinking is not all my hunting is going to be limited to that state. The 375 H&H seems like its simply the most versatile. I know how far out 300 yards is in the field...its WAY out there when you step it off or take the time to range it. Maybe I'll just put off buying her a ring, keep the other belted mags and buy the CZ550 heh. Thanks for the input. I'll take into consideration the 338WM but that's one cal I have absolutely nothing for. I would almost go with the 8mm REM MAG since I've got a bunch of Remington 220gr soft points boxed up for that. 300 H&H also crept in my mind as I've got brass for it and its as versatile as the 375....too many damn choices. Can drive a guy nutz. The 30/06 is a great choice.....Maybe I'll get a Ruger No 1 international in 30/06 if I'm driven enough to spend less on powder and brass. etc I am just finishing up a 243 win on a Mauser action which, was supposed to be a 270 but the 243 barrel just dropped in my lap so I went that direction. Yes you can shoot it...No you can't have it...Yes I will hunt you down if it turns up missing | |||
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 I was born a Buckeye but I don't know what city is called bean town.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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lima... we call it bean town since everybody else seems to refer to it as lima bean ohio. Or if you like "where glee club is filmed" lol I actually don't live there anymore, I live in Columbus while I'm going to school. Yes you can shoot it...No you can't have it...Yes I will hunt you down if it turns up missing | |||
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You have to march to the beat of your own drummer, and do whatcha gotta do. For ANY of the U.S. States, I'd feel well armed with the .300 Win Mag that you already have. I'd rather have a .338 Win Mag IF I was hunting the Alaskan Islands where the big Brownies live, but I wouldn't be afraid if all I had there was the .300 win Mag with quality 180 gr. or heavier slugs. Too much gun is as much a curse as a benefit sometimes. It can lead to carelessness due to over-confidence in its power; it can cause some folks not to practice as much as they should; and its recoil can make it harder to get the perfect shot off when one really needs it. Perhaps you can consider trying this: Move out West. Shoot your .300 Win for the first three years there. In the meantime, salt away the money you would have spent on a bigger gun, just in case you finally decide you really do need the larger Henry. Perhaps you can even put away a bit more over that time so you can get a really, really classy gun if you want to. My bet would be at the end of the three years you'll think your .300 Mag is still plenty good, and you can then use the money for a nice guided hunt somewhere. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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 I should have known that.Went through there a lot in the lat 50s and early 70sOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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load 165s in the 300 .. keep the 458, buy the cz 375, and reload like mad opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Keep the 300. Load some 168's, sight in 2.5 inches high at 100. Expect shots from 20 yards to 400. At least that's as far as I shoot. You will be able to handle anything in UT. ID. MT. CO. AZ. NM. Even the big Texas exotics. WA. OR. CA. Get a good load developed with the Barnes TTSX or TSX. Anything you shoot with it will go down quick. I live in UT also. DW | |||
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Pay no attention to the mini-gun fans. The 375 Holland is one cartridge appropriate for the world. I have hunted Idaho for 30 years now. I could have started with a CRF 375 and never have needed anything more. Rich DRSS | |||
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LOL I didn't count but I think I got like 10 for the 300 WM and 1 for the 375 heh. I'll go with the recommendation to just use what I got for know, assess results from my own experience and go from there. Maybe I'll slip dads 375H&H out of his safe and he wont notice its gone, I can bring it back when I visit for Christmas Yes you can shoot it...No you can't have it...Yes I will hunt you down if it turns up missing | |||
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Here is the thing you are missing - you are finishing school...moving west with the FUTURE missus...Likes guns you do...Set precident and keep the two AND buy the 375 AND if she can't understand and storms off you dodged a bullet if not you have a keeper and 3 good rifles. Either way you have 3 good rifles. | |||
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So very well said!!
That would probably be the way I'd go for now - if you really have an itch for a new gun...  - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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The 300 Winnie is good for anything in NA and most anything anywhere but dangerous game. That being said, the 375 H&H does less meat damage and shoots suitably flat. Maybe you should trade the 458 for a 375...or just buy the 375 and have 3 rifles...until you discover the need for a 22-250 or 204 Ruger!  Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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Unless you just want a 375h&h or are planning an African hunt at some point, you don't "need" anything bigger than the 300winmag for all of NA hunting. I'm not a 30cal fan so would move to a 338winmag as a one rifle for all of NA hunting. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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One more vote for the .300 Win. mag. Paul B. | |||
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What Mike Detorre Said... ...Use a range finder. Sei wach! | |||
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