Hi Team,

The Australian Outback proves to be a bit of an issue !!

Today I had the unfortunate luck of being charged by a scrub bull, luckily I had seen sign around and had roundsin the magazine ready to rip, these were 130 Grain Remington corelokts

When the bad boy did charge, Hewas only 25 or so yards away and I quickly dispatched 2 rounds
into his neck but a 3rd was equired to fully stop him, the 2 first shots merely slowed him

I have now just prdered a Ruger 375, but in the mean time, what are the best projectiles in 277 for stopping power

Cheers

Beefa

The main problem with an animal of that size is penetration. Also if the animal is really close you will need to make a brain shot to save your bacon, again penetration is the key.

This is one place where a Barnes X would be a good choice.

You have an expanding bullet for what ever else you are hunting, but also a bullet that will hold together on a scrub bull.

Mate, count yourself lucky.... a 270 at that range with virtually any bullet will do the job,but at the same time virtually any bullet won't do the job if it isn't placed exactly right.

I've used the 270 plenty of times, but I've had a lot to do with cattle, and scrubbies as well...

To give you an idea, I put a 12G slug into teh forehead of a scrubbie... it knocked him down, but the slug travelled along the top of his skull, skidded up, and under his skin along the top of his back until it stopped just about where his shoulder was.... it didn;t kill him, just knocked him out cold... for about a minute - which was just the time it took for me to walk up to him, and (I know this from experience) he just started recovering before the 130g entered his head at point blank range...

If I had to soup up the 270 to max performance, I would load up 160 grain partitions.. and with H 4831 SC ( which is made in Oz).. I can get better than 2900 fps...

Once again those, stories like that make for some exciting stories... and wet pants..

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Originally posted by seafire2:
..... I would load up 160 grain partitions.. ....exciting stories... and wet pants..

I'm with seafire2. All the old guys from Africa, it seems, used the heaviest for caliber bullets for dangerous game (and other game too). Bell used the 7mm Mauser with 174gr round nose solids for elephant. I'm told these would exit the back of the skull! (An elephant has a huge skull).

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If I had to soup up the 270 to max performance, I would load up 160 grain partitions.. and with H 4831 SC ( which is made in Oz).. I can get better than 2900 fps...

Yeah me too, I certainly wouldn't be dicking around with 130 grainers.

Yeah I will load some heavy projectiles for sure, we never expected to see any scrub bulls, possibly some small deer and goats, this was by far the biggest animal I have ever shot in Australia !

I have used the Nosler Partition 150gr with good results.
But, like yourself, I decided that a bigger rifle was in order for walking around the top end.
In my case I got a 416 Rem...

The Barnes X or TSX should do well, in the meantime.

After it was over the adrenilan must have been quite a rush.
However had it been me I think my laundry lady may have had wished the bull had won !
...tj3006

I'd actually LOVE being charged by a scrub bull...
It gives new meaning to the phrase "Beef it's what's for dinner"

I consider it fair to eat any animal that attacks me.

AD

Try 140gr Accubonds or the 150gr XP3's
I use the Accubonds in my 270WSM's...great performance on big game here in Alberta.

140 grn. partitions

I would be using a tsx,as they retain much more weight than a partition,and penetrate better as well.

How about a swift A-Frame? I think they make a 150gr.

12 Gauge slug with in 0- 50 Yd. comes to mind it's a hell of a lot heavier that 130 -160 grains and has Knock down power as well as killing power with in those ranges !.
270 is Roo and Hog shooter Mate , from a fair distance use 140-160 grain for that .

Another nice back up is an Alaskan 460 pistol , but they don't let ya have em down under any more.
Derby bastards !.
Hoist a cold one make mine a Tooheys Old .

Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ...

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Originally posted by Beefa:
Yeah I will load some heavy projectiles for sure, we never expected to see any scrub bulls, possibly some small deer and goats, this was by far the biggest animal I have ever shot in Australia !

I'd also opt for the heavier & more heavily constructed bullets. The plus side is that if you encounter small game, they won't expand as much and tear up the meat.

Nice story with a good ending!

if you can fine winchester fail-safes 140 grainers. buy them and reload em. noslers 150 partition also. or geta 338 win. mag and show them scrub-bulls how to do the nose-plow. regards

AR Team,

Please see the pic below of the bad boy who tried to trample me !

Didn't read the whole thread yet, but IMO any of these would do well:

160 Partition
150 Aframe
150 Partition
150 TSX
140 Fail Safe

In that situation with a .270.. I'd think I would want to have some 150gr Barnes Triple-Shocks loaded up. That way you would get the maximum effect you could get out of a .277 bullet.

That's a young bull! What the hell are they like when they are old and cantankerous!?

(I bet he tasted real good after what he tried to do to you).

beefa,
thanks 4 posting pixs,i forgot you preordered that r-375 that'll work way better,great shooting,manoman they must bee pure dynamite.
ive read that scrub-bulls will beat-up your wild buffalo, is that really true?
regards n cheers

160 grain Nosler Partition.

Mine shoots them to the same POI at 100 as it does 130 Sierra BTs.

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Originally posted by jjmp:
beefa,
thanks 4 posting pixs,i forgot you preordered that r-375 that'll work way better,great shooting,manoman they must bee pure dynamite.
ive read that scrub-bulls will beat-up your wild buffalo, is that really true?
regards n cheers

Im not sure about the buffalo thing, but I ma very happy I put him down, I was ready to run up a tree !!

beefa,
10-4 on that man!!!i'm sure he was comming like a fright train. nosler and winchester also made the (CT)Partition Gold bullet.
its a beefed up version that retains 80% while their normal partition retains 60%. these bullet is no longer made sadly but there might bee a few around, it was only made in 150 grain weight. moly or non moly, forgot to mention that winchesters fail-safe is no longer made also.. your country makes the woodlie bullet,forgive wrong spelling maybe they make it in .277 caliber. regards

The vegetation in that picture looks pretty much like what's in the field across from my house in the summer.

Looks like a heiffer to me. The head and jaw is really slim for a bull and bull-horns are usually straight(er). Are you sure she had balls?

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Originally posted by 900 SS:
Looks like a heiffer to me. The head and jaw is really slim for a bull and bull-horns are usually straight. Are you sure she had balls?

100% mate LOL staright horns ?

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Mate, count yourself lucky.... a 270 at that range with virtually any bullet will do the job,but at the same time virtually any bullet won't do the job if it isn't placed exactly right.

This gentleman has captured the essence of the problem! The best proof of this truism I can cite is the performance of that great ivory poacher, W.D.M. Bell. Bell killed over 800 elephant with the 173-grain Kynoch FMJ military load in a ".275 Rigby Mauser", aka the 7X57mm.

The great majority of these varmints were one-shot kills, brain shot of course. But Bell was, according to acquaintances, a superb marksman, who could consistently hit silver-dollar size targets offhand at 100 yards.

If you are a superb marksman, know your beast's anatomy intimately, and are shooting a projectile with proven penetrating ability, you can drop them instantly - with a hit through their central nervous system. IF you miss this spot, it doesn't much matter what bullet you chose.

BTW, congratulations on your performance on that critter you dropped-good show!

you got lucky, mate.. the 270 is probably the worst medium you could have had. See, the 270 is built for light bullets fast, and in your case, you had 130s. At what, 3100fps? Even a barnes would have shed petals and not penetrated at 25 yards...

This is an (excuse) reason why I rarely go into the field with anything smaller than .375, and generally in the moderate vels, 2500 to 2150 ... in the case of the 270, if you had shot him with 2500fps, it would have gone at LEAST a foot deeper... Now, don't argue with me about that, or low velocity (2150 aint low) .. Whelen did MANY experiments with the 30-06 and penetration of normal bullets, and they penetrated deeper from 200 yards than at 10, (ten) .. DOUBLE in fact, as the bullet was destroyed at impact

375 ruger with TSX bullets would have afforded you a single head shot, bang, flog.

this shooter/hunter showed great skill in placeing his shots during this animals charge.if he would have run odds are he'd would have been gored and trampled. this is not your hand feed,barn raised ,stall groomed bull calf raised too adulthood. these are WILD ANIMALS they will eather CHARGE you on site,or flee from you! something like a Grizzly Bear! EL-Deguello you nailed it cold! the only 3 things that saved BELL were his Skill, bullet choice,and shot placement. jeffeosso, those punny core-loks were just enough to work with this shooters shot placement, good choice no! lesson learned yes i'm sure. No -punn ment.
however i feel the barnes would work wonderfully as a sub. heck even 100% copper bullets that loose their petals act like a blunt nose solid and still will smoke any cup-core normal weak built bullet. why are the big 5 of africa shot with round-nose solids? cause they flatly work and penatrate. no flame ment just looking at this from a different angle. BTW my congrat's again to this young brave hunter!!!! regards jjmp