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Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
so hows the meat say compared to bison?

Lloyd, my buddy wanted the meat from my water buffalo, so he had it butchered and drove down to Brady ranch and picked it up, he was on vacation anyway's, so it work out great. He did not care for the meat, it was tough, and I tried it also, and it was only fit for jerky in my opinion.

Bison is so much better.

Lloyd, I agree totally with you. I do wish that anyone who implies that I had anything negative to say about "canned hunts" would C&P those comments as well.

EVERYONE hunts over bait. When a guy sits over a soybean or cut corn field, he can rationalize all he wants but he's hunting over "bait". Now I DO have negative comments about "penned hunts" and when an animal is trapped within a one acre enclosure, that's hardly a canned hunt as much as it is an slaughter operation.

My wife is handicapped and loves to hunt. I "discovered" the Brady Ranch some years back and took her there to shoot an Axis deer. Redhawk saw the mount and ate some of my cherished grilled Axis backstrap and wanted to take his son on a similar hunt. I was chided into going (didn't take much) to get another Axis of my own. His son scored within a couple hours of arrival, but I waited it out for a bigger trophy. I got it about 10 the next day and then we went after Redhawk's water buff on a "swamp buggy". Then I had the job of skinning and caping the animal(s) out.

As Lloyd said, and I certainly agree, if a hunter is LEGALLY pursuing his enjoyment, the rest of us would be wise to keep our mouths shut. To do anything else simply endorses an anti-hunting agenda.

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Originally posted by george roof:
Lloyd, I agree totally with you. I do wish that anyone who implies that I had anything negative to say about "canned hunts" would C&P those comments as well.

EVERYONE hunts over bait. When a guy sits over a soybean or cut corn field, he can rationalize all he wants but he's hunting over "bait". Now I DO have negative comments about "penned hunts" and when an animal is trapped within a one acre enclosure, that's hardly a canned hunt as much as it is an slaughter operation.

My wife is handicapped and loves to hunt. I "discovered" the Brady Ranch some years back and took her there to shoot an Axis deer. Redhawk saw the mount and ate some of my cherished grilled Axis backstrap and wanted to take his son on a similar hunt. I was chided into going (didn't take much) to get another Axis of my own. His son scored within a couple hours of arrival, but I waited it out for a bigger trophy. I got it about 10 the next day and then we went after Redhawk's water buff on a "swamp buggy". Then I had the job of skinning and caping the animal(s) out.

As Lloyd said, and I certainly agree, if a hunter is LEGALLY pursuing his enjoyment, the rest of us would be wise to keep our mouths shut. To do anything else simply endorses an anti-hunting agenda.

+1 Well said George. This forum is getting as bad as the Political Crater. The moderator needs to get more involved and stop all the pissing matches that are part of EVERY discussion here. Guys either need to cut the crap, or be shown the door.

I guess tempo ive got a slightly differnt thought. I dont think there comments should be moderated. its there opinion and they have a right to express it. To me its an opinion of an uneducated hunter that hasnt thought the whole deal through completely. Its our job to educate them and show them that these hunts arent what some people want to make them. You can about bet that anyone that is bad mouthing them hasnt tried it. People will even badmouth some of the african hunts now because they to can be in fenced areas. I guess staring at a cape buffalo 30 yards away from me with a handgun in my hand is going to make my heart pound even if its leaning on a fence!!

one more question as to the meat. Has anyone tried the meat off a cow water buffalo. I cant see spending the money shooting one unless i can eat it. Id rather shoot a cow then a big tough eating bull.

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Originally posted by x-caliber:
To me, water buffalo hunting would be more about the experience and the trophy Lloyd; kind of like brown bear hunting. If I understand correctly, Alaskan guides leave brown bear meat lying and bring only the hide and photos out. I look at that type of hunting as "population control".

That's how I look at it too. Some animals just aren't edible. A 400-lb boar usually isn't the tastiest critter in the forrest, but I won't pass up on one.......

Boy you have to be quick if you delete a post on here or somebody will quote you!

Whitworth, I posted that when I was in a hurry. I decided to give it some more thought and repost my thoughts on this subject later. Oh well, I can't come up with any more profound thoughts so we'll just let it stand "as is".

There's nothing wrong with your philosophy. How many trophy deer hunters are dreaming of venison on the grill? I suspect most of them are thinking about that big rack on the wall! Smaller deer eat better........

You didn't say anything controversial or combative.......

Here is one I took with My 500 Smith Pef Center 6.5" w/Hornady 500XTP at 1400fps...One shot,one buff ....Taken at Brady ranch in South Fla...

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Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
It allways pissed me off when i heard guys badmouth so called canned hunts. the same guys will have no problem hunting over bait or fishing a stream or lake that has been stocked or hunting over crops in a field. Ive hunted enough canned hunts to know that some of them can be just a shoot and some of the animals ive taken on canned hunts ive hunted harder for then animals in the wild. Whos bussiness is it but mine how i hunt. Unless im hurting you keep your mouth shut. Its the bickering on sights like this about someones opionion on what is ethical that fuels the anti hunters and the anti gun people. If its leagal and i dont waste the meat i dont see where i need to be judged by anyone. How could stalking an animal all day and then taking it with a handgun be any more unethical that driving down a road and finding a bunch of antelope or mule deer then making a one hour stalk (walk) to get close enough to shoot them at 400 yards with a 7 mag. Animals were put on earth to feed me. Im not one to put trophys on the wall. I feel its good gun money wasted. My trophy is when i sit down to back straps. Hell if a local farmer told me he was looking for someone to go and pop a few cows in his pasture id be the first in line to do it. Hell of alot more fun then going grocery shopping!!

Lloyd, I feel your pain, but IMO, you are makeing a bad mistake with your wording in the above post! Simply because animals are introduced, and there is a fence around the property, does not make a hunt "CANNED"! Canned hunts are nothing more that dumping an animal out of a cage and letting nimrod ( NUMNUTS) shoot it. That is nothing more than zoo shooting.

Hunting an animal that has been handled by humans, or hand fed, in a small inclosier, that has no cover, nature water, and food, and is smaller that the animal's natural terratory, is not hunting, though legal, in some places.

As long as the terrain offers escape routes, and has several water sources, pleanty of cover, and bedding areas where the animal can hide, with natural food sources, so he doesn't have to eat from justy one location, and is hunted on foot, spot and stalk, or the placeing of a tree stand over a game trail is hunting, no matter where the animal's natural home is.

The guys who holler the most, think they are doing something when they go hunting for Pheasant, or Chucker Partridge, catch a carp, ot talapia, and use a wiggley worm to do so, are simply fishing over bait, and shooting introduced animals, because none of those fish, or birds are native to North America, but were introduced from Europe, Japan, and Africa. Nobody would call those animals barn yard, farm animals, but they seem to want to call a hunt Auadad sheep as somehow a canned hunt. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I think for anyone thinking they are somehow more ethical hunting a native Elk, just hasn't hunted Auadad sheep in the simi-arid deasert of west Texas, even behind a high fence. You better get in shape before you try that, I assure you!

All, I'm saying calling all introduced, or high fenced ranches, "CANNED HUNTS" is not only untrue, but irresponcible wording, especialy by a hunter. That is to be expected from a ignorant animal rights nut, but not from a hunter, who should know the difference! intimateing that trophy hunting is some how unethical, is doing the same thing you are complaining about other's words agianst your hunt!

i guess used a canned hunt to mean any hunt in an enclosure. (canned up) Maybe im wrong in my definition of a canned hunt. I do feel your wrong also as you are condoning your style of hunt and condeming others and the point i was trying to make is as long as it leagal we have no bussiness telling someone else what is the proper way to hunt. Hunting is suppose to be about collecting meat. Not trophys to brag about so how would it matter how and where you did it as long as its not against the law and you didnt hurt anyone else. When we as hunters publicly badmouth someone elses idea of hunting and call it slaugtering or unethical dont you think that the antis will pick up on that and say that even we as hunters think that some of our practices arent right. Bottom line is hunt the way you want and keep your trap shut about someone elses hunt and we will all be better off in the long run.

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Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
i guess used a canned hunt to mean any hunt in an enclosure. (canned up) Maybe im wrong in my definition of a canned hunt. I do feel your wrong also as you are condoning your style of hunt and condeming others and the point i was trying to make is as long as it leagal we have no bussiness telling someone else what is the proper way to hunt. Hunting is suppose to be about collecting meat. Not trophys to brag about so how would it matter how and where you did it as long as its not against the law and you didnt hurt anyone else. When we as hunters publicly badmouth someone elses idea of hunting and call it slaugtering or unethical dont you think that the antis will pick up on that and say that even we as hunters think that some of our practices arent right. Bottom line is hunt the way you want and keep your trap shut about someone elses hunt and we will all be better off in the long run.

Well said Lloyd.

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Hunting is suppose to be about collecting meat.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Again, I'll use my brown bear example. That type of hunting is population control. What about coyote hunting?

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Bottom line is hunt the way you want and keep your trap shut about someone elses hunt and we will all be better off in the long run.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

to me coyotees are varmit and thats a differnt ball game. I do realize though that thats the kind of shooting that the antis really jump on. Shooting those poor little puppys and little cute ground squirels. but there is a need for it to keep the population in control. As to brown bear. Im sure originaly before it became such a high brow hunting thing that they were eaten like any other bear. Id about bet that a trapper up in alaska that shot one with his musket made good use of the meat. After all the diet of a brown bear and a black bear in the same habitat isnt much differnt.

Another thought...

If I had an either sex elk tag in my pocket and I had an easy broadside shot on a nice 6X6 bull elk and a young cow was standing right behind him offering the same shot presentation; I'm shooting the 6X6 EVERYTIME! Sure, the young cow would probably be a better "meat" choice. However, I don't think that I would be in the minority here with my choice of actions.

So, no I guess hunting is not all about collecting meat to me. It is definitely a part of it though.

Thanks for your thoughts...

We've been over this before, but I think a majority of deer hunters are thinking about how the antlers will look on their wall rather than how they are going to prepare the meat. To each his own.

sorry for the rehash.

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Originally posted by x-caliber:
sorry for the rehash.

It was time again to talk about it!

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It was time again to talk about it!

ha ha...I guess so. I think Lloyd nailed it though. People hunt for different reasons. If legal methods are used then I shouldn't worry about how someone else chooses to hunt.

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Originally posted by x-caliber:

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It was time again to talk about it!

ha ha...I guess so. I think Lloyd nailed it though. People hunt for different reasons. If legal methods are used then I shouldn't worry about how someone else chooses to hunt.

Exactly!

i guess my point more then any here is that if you want to hunt for a trophy and its legal to do that well then id like to be there with you when you get that trophy of a lifetime. If your hunting to fill your freezer i still want to be thre to share the hunt. If the hunt is out west on the plains or in africa, if its in the eastern whitetail woods or on a fenced in hunting preseve I want to be there. I just love to hunt and any way a guy hunts beats the hell out of buyng your meat at walmart or golfing!!!

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Originally posted by x-caliber:
Another thought...

If I had an either sex elk tag in my pocket and I had an easy broadside shot on a nice 6X6 bull elk and a young cow was standing right behind him offering the same shot presentation; I'm shooting the 6X6 EVERYTIME! Sure, the young cow would probably be a better "meat" choice. However, I don't think that I would be in the minority here with my choice of actions.

So, no I guess hunting is not all about collecting meat to me. It is definitely a part of it though.

Thanks for your thoughts...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
i guess my point more then any here is that if you want to hunt for a trophy and its legal to do that well then id like to be there with you when you get that trophy of a lifetime. If your hunting to fill your freezer i still want to be thre to share the hunt. If the hunt is out west on the plains or in africa, if its in the eastern whitetail woods or on a fenced in hunting preseve I want to be there. I just love to hunt and any way a guy hunts beats the hell out of buyng your meat at walmart or golfing!!!

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You got that right... I just like to hunt.