I just caught a little bit of the Keith Warren's TV show wherein he is shooting a Glock .45ACP. It looks like a 21 with an barrel that is overlength by a wee bit.

I've seen some of Warren's stuff hunting in farm yards for elk that he called a wild Idaho hunt and I'm no fan at all of the lad.

Nevertheless he does kill critters (a doe from a tree stand) with that shooter and wondered if anyone has any info that he might have shared about the barrel, his load, and any modifications that he may have made to it.

I have a Paraordance 14-45 and a Glock 30 that I've got some 230g. loads that seem to be up to the task but as always looking for info from those with more experience than me.

You might want to read this.Probably sums up everyones feeling on this subject.
http://forums.accuratereloadin...2911043/m/2871056071

I have killed 2 whitetail deer, and one mule deer with a 1911 in 45 ACP.

It did the job, but not as impressive as the deer I have killed with a 44 Mag.

A buddy shot a big pig with a 1911 in 45 Acp, he hit it just behind the ear, it was DRT...

Well handled I consider it somewhat marginal.

And I say this with the 1911 in 45 ACP being my MOST favorite handgun.

If you must use the 1911, then take a look at the heavy Buffalo Bore loads.

I've killed a lot og groundhogs with a Colt, S&W, and now Sig .45 ACP. About any bullet works for them. I've taken a good number of deer also with a lot of bullets. There is a difference here. The most reliable bullet I've found is the 200 gr. Hornady XTP. It gives good expansion and penetration. I've dropped several deer in their tracks with this bullet. The max distance I've tried is 50 yards.

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Originally posted by WV Hitman:
I've killed a lot og groundhogs with a Colt, S&W, and now Sig .45 ACP. About any bullet works for them. I've taken a good number of deer also with a lot of bullets. There is a difference here. The most reliable bullet I've found is the 200 gr. Hornady XTP. It gives good expansion and penetration. I've dropped several deer in their tracks with this bullet. The max distance I've tried is 50 yards.

That's interesting about your findings of the XTP Hornady bullet being the most effective in your experience. When I got home today I cleaned up a wee bit in the reloading room and found two boxes of 45 XTP's, one is 185g and the other in 230g. Funny but the price on them was $11.99 for each box! I'll be working on a loading for some smaller mule deer here in Idaho with those XTP's and see what happens. I've grown to really like my Glock 30 and was ringing the gong at 80 yards with it about 35-40% of the rounds.

Anyone have any input on Warren's specs?

I don't follow Warren's hunting.

I tend to use a 230 grain cast truncated cone flat point bullet in my .45 ACP when going after deer. I have also used the Lyman 260 "Keith" style in Auto Rim cases from my 625 Mountain Revolver. Both bullets give good penetration; and while the performance is not "impressive", it is most adequate.

I also find the 200 XTP to be an excellent bullet as well as the 180 gr XTP out of the .45 ACP in either the M1911 (Colt Series 70 or P14), my 6 1'2" barreled S&W and most efectively, out of my 10" Contender barrel. Unfortunately the best deer/miscreant bullet, the 200 gr Speer FAT, is not longer available. Wish I had bought several thousand before they quit making them........

I find the 45 Acp to be on par with my 6" .357 for deer, etc. Not as good as the .41 or .44 magnums but that is to be expected considering the much lower velocity of the .45 ACP. A good expanding bullet in the .45 ACP is much prefered and much more efective over a hard cast or FMJ TC bullet BTW. I've no problem with the use of the .45 ACP out to 50 yards if the shooter can put the bullet in the deer or in a 150 -200 lb pig in the right place.

Larry Gibson

I had a friend who killed a couple of deer with his Clark Longslide .45, both rib shots, don't recall what load/round he used (maybe a Win. Silvertip) but that was years back anyway.

There is no doubt it will do it, and if it meets your idea of how you want to hunt, go for it but realize that you're working with a very thin margin between venison and a lost deer.

The .45 gets pretty marginal beyond spear chunking range and I'd lean heavily towards a .41 or .44 mag revolver or semi-auto (for the .44 mag) instead.

I want to be clear, I'm not opposing your hunting with it, just pointing out the disadvantages.

As with any limited in power and range weapon one just has to get closer and limit ones shots.

As long as you are willing to do that why not.

With all thats been said (not that you guys have been saying it) about the marginality of the acp, how would you guys compare it to standard pressure loadings in a 45 colt.

In my opinion there ain't a hill of beans of difference. Buffalo Bore loads 255gr cast lead at 925fps for the ACP and the same bullet @1000fps in the Colt. Yet I consistently hear people speak to the fact that you don't need but about 900-1100fps with a hard cast flat nose bullet in the 200-300gr range to be a very effective animal killer. With that said, it's also been noted that with those bullet weights and velocities, you're not going to get end to end penetration or be able to smash through heavy bone and still exit the animal. I say "who cares", especially when I still get a dead animal.

It seems to me that there is a bit of a double standard againts the ACP. As far as I'm concerned anything that can be taken with the std pressure colt a properly loaded acp is equally capable.

The ACP gets a thumbs up from me!

After saying all that, I have to say that I've taken several whitetails with both hollow points and hard cast bullets with both the ACP and Colt. IMHO the hard cast do a better job in both cartridges.