Will a 2 ring setup hold up in the long run? I have a 460 S&W Encore and I'm just wondering if this setup really needs 3 or more rings to hold the scope. Right now I have a T/C 2.5-7x scope in a pair of Burris Zee rings on a six screw Weaver style base. I'm just curious if I should add another ring, or two. I had a 45-70 Contender in a 2 ring mount and it never slipped, even under level 2 handloads with 400 and 500gr bullets.
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I had a 2 ring setup on my 460 S&W Encore with a Bushnell Trophy scope. I could not keep the scope from slipping with recoil. The scope tube actually bent and became trash. I now have a 2X Leupold scope on mine which seems to be holding up even with the 2 ring setup but it's a lighter scope and probably of better quality.
I think T/C stands behind their scopes better than Bushnell does but I'd still recommend at least a 3 ring set up with that scope with one of the rings against the front part of the adjusting turret so the scope can't slip.
Yes, it depends on the scope. I ruined a Burris on a .44 but shoot a Tasco or Ultra dot on my .475 with 2 rings and have no problems at all. 2 rings are working fine on my 45-70 BFR too. Some high dollar scopes have very soft tubes and that is where the problem is. I lapped the rings, degreased, applied rosin and tightened the rings on the Burris until it started to crimp into the tube. It still slipped and bent. I could not stop it from slipping and that is with a 10" SBH. I will never buy another Burris. I would buy a Tasco first. I have an old Leopold that has been on every handgun you can imagine and it is still going strong. For a red dot, the Ultra Dot is king and can take any recoil. I wipe out the cheap ones.
Sounds like WV gets the "seconds" of FA and Burris products.
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Now; as pure conjecture, the problem may be with scope tube diameter differences. Burris rings come with friction paper; that may be because their scope tubes are a few thousandths smaller, to allow for the friction paper. Matching a Burris scope with rings from a different manufacturer may be inviting trouble.
My own very limited experience is that front and rear rings are sufficient; no need for the extra one (although Wiegand mounting systems do have a certain look to them)...
Posts: 4748 | Location: TX | Registered: 01 April 2005
Actually Doubless, that's an intended and good natured poke at bfrshooter.
I'm accustomed to the three ring set-up from the SSK barrels and old Redfield mounts I've had for years and years. I have a .357 Herrett that slides scopes terribly, regardless of ring configuration. Guess I'm gonna have to back off on the powder a bit.
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Taken with a chuckle! A lot depends on the scope weight too. I think the early Burris I had was much heavier then the new ones. I was using the Burris rings with the friction paper on the first gun, they slipped so I switched to different rings and they slipped too. Since they are for a twist in base, there is no way to use a third ring. I switched to a Bushnel red dot and had to use an extension front ring. Recoil sheared the ring, I had to drill and tap it for a screw and silver solder it. It's working good now.
I use a 2 ring set up with leupold base and rings on a 500 smith as well as on a 416 gnr, both in encores. The 416 is stout and never a problem with either setup.
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I think the only gun I would worry about would be a TC in one of the larger calibers. They have MUCH more recoil then a revolver. Have any of you seen the video going around where the guy shot a .60 cal TC and the gun left his hand with almost the same velocity as the bullet? Looked like concrete all over the range and I wonder if the gun and scope were destroyed.
Hitman and BFRshooter, I was joking as well... Hard to tell, though, since the printed word doesn't give us any way to put voice inflection into it.
And yes, I have seen the video... I shot a 10" Contender once in 45-70 with a 500-grain bullet after an IHMSA match. It was plenty. I have no idea what the .60 would feel like, but I am sure it is more than my grip could control...
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