Anyone know how much velocity I will get from a 2, or 2 1/2 " ( which ever the Yellow grip Snubbie is )In 460 shooting the 400 gr cast GC bullets !!!!!?????????

Come on !!!!! Somebody .. .,., I bet someone knows !!! Don,t be shy , just blurt it out !!!!!!! or at least take a good guess !!!

I could be wrong, but maybe no one cares how much velocity can be obtained with this setup.

You are about 100 grains over optimum bullet weight for this caliber in my opinion. In my experience, the 400 plus grain .452" caliber bullets have to be driven hard to stabilize and this may be too much of a good thing in the package you are interested in.

Finally ,,,, Someone acknowledges I,m a living ,breathing , thinking , feeling , shooting individual .. OK , I,ll cut the crap .!!!
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.mmmmmmmm Well my ??? possibly poorly phrased , is not to find out how fast it can push the bullet , but as I understand it . The 460 S&W has a gain twist , Does the snubbie have the gain twist .. I found with my 454 that a 360 gr@ 1400 fps was more comfortable to shoot than a 300 gr @ 1700 fps ... So if it is twisted fast enough to stabilize , and I could shoot a 400 gr @ 1200 fps , perhaps there would be less flask and blast .... I found one for a very good price and was thinking as I can shoot the colt ,the cassul and the 460 brass in it it would be pretty handy .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I already have lots of components for the colt ...... I like the yellow grip also ..

We all you have no feelings left! I have the 5", but not the 2". I thought of the 2" load at casull levels with 300 gr hard casts, but I haven't went to it yet. My personal carry 2" is a S&W 44mag.

John

You have the 5" 460 ... What are you shooting in it . What is the heaviest bullets you have shot .. Have you had any troubles with the gun ....?????????

You would do much better with a 2" .45 colt then you can ever approach with a .460. The case and capacity is WAY to large for a short barrel, all you will do is start fires on the range.
Even the .45 is not anywhere near it's best in a short barrel.

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
You have the 5" 460 ... What are you shooting in it . What is the heaviest bullets you have shot .. Have you had any troubles with the gun ....?????????

Most of the time I am shooting a 454 casul case loaded with 30.7gr W296 firing a Hdy 300 gr XTPmag projectile. Makes for a nice load in the 460 for general defense against the 4 legged critters!

I have fired a few 460 S&W loads, but most are designed around the lighter 200 gr bullets which seemed counterproductive to me, but they are very impressive to fire, usually stopping people at the range and having them come down to see what you are shooting.

So far, the revolver has 500 rds through it or so (I have a few bigbore revolvers, evidently), I haven't noticed anything look out of place. As a matter of precaution, I check the main spring tension screw and the compensator screw to make sure neither is backing out, so far, none have loosened.

The 460V is cartoonishly large though, it is its only down point. For a holster I picked up a desantis cross draw unit which makes for a packable piece.

John

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
You would do much better with a 2" .45 colt then you can ever approach with a .460. The case and capacity is WAY to large for a short barrel, all you will do is start fires on the range.
Even the .45 is not anywhere near it's best in a short barrel.

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. Thats why I was thinking heavy bullets . Help burn the powder !!!!! Plus As has been mentioned here a time or hundred , a 400 gr bullet @ 1200 fps is perfectly ideal ... With all that case capacity I should bave a blackpowder 45/70 in a 2" pistol ..

No matter what you do, you need space to burn powder, unless you use small charges of fast powder so why the large case?
The most trouble you can ask for is to play with short barrels in any caliber that needs the optimum barrel length for a good burn. Heavy boolits are no solution.
Even a .22 in a short barrel does not get near the velocity the round is capable of.
A 2" barrel with a .45 Colt SPECIAL is borderline, that is if a special was made.
Some of you talk like a .300 RUM would be nice in a 6" barrel on a rifle!
Physics can't be twisted to suit unreal ideas.

Well S&W is making the guns ,, I,m just checking to see if anyone has one and has recorded the velocity from heavy bullets .. Would you start spelling bullets right . after reading your post it took me 4 tries to spell bullets !!! ... And everyone knows the 300 RUM is only a down south rifle , regardless the barrel length .......But a pistol should have a short barrel if thats what a guy needs ... . So , do you THINK a 460 S&W could without too high a pressure push a 400 gr cast B U L L E T ( note the spelling ) . @ 1200 fps from a 2 1/2 " barrel ????? And if it did go that fast . do you have any idea if it would stabilize ???????????????????????????????
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. Thanks all !!!

See I don,t mind if I have to burn 36 gr of H110 to push a 400 gr .452 gc fn bullet 1200 fps from a 2 1/2" barrel ... I just want to know if it can ...... Cause if not I will need to go to the 500 S&W , cause I KNOW it will .. . I prefer the yellow grips to the blaze orange grips tho .....

Now that you want to get picky, cleaning some of the crap out of your signature would make your posts easier to read.

I doubt one can get 1,200 fps from 400 grain bullet in a 2½" barreled .460. Even more doubtful is the ability to stabilize this heavy a projectile from a short barrel. The muzzle blast should exceptional though.

Apparently no ones owns one, at least no one has stepped up and admitted it. Jim's spelling may be a bit off, but he's trying to give you some helpful information: try to benefit from it. Otherwise, go buy yourself one and then you can be the "expert" on the subject.

Well, I fell into the spelling at the Cast Boolit site. It is our way of meaning CAST instead of a jacketed bullet.
For us lazy old farts, it is easier to type one word instead of two.
But short barrels are a pain to load for. Some calibers just get by with 10" and even then you will only be able to use one powder.
The simple fact is still needing a longer barrel as the case gets larger.

gumboot
"boolits" is short hand for hard cast bullets, to not have confusion between cast and jacketed.

a 2" 460 sounds like a flame thrower to me... though i did shoot brad's 2" or so 454... wasnt too bad

Can you burn all the H110 from a 2" .460---NO, you still will not from a .500 either. Not even a .44 will burn all the powder in 2" and the case length is a waste.
I would say a case less then an inch long would about do it with a fast powder. .45 ACP, anyone?
EXTREME pressure is needed to get velocity from a short barrel and that pressure has to come on right now when you pull the trigger.
Adding a lot of slow powder with a heavy boolit will raise pressures because you add the powder weight to the boolit---(OK, BULLET For the un-initiated.) However, you only increase the fire ball and only gain a little FPS.
All of the flame outside the muzzle is not adding to boolit speed but makes nice movies after dark!

heh, these will be just like shooting from an 8" barrel, only slower

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. My signature line is the cause of low velocity in the 460 Smith ,,, No ,, just joking ...
I always thot bfr shooter was way too smart to misspell bullets .. Now I know I was right ... Just didn,t know how I was right ....... Aparantly it wasn,t obvious that I knew about huge fire balls ect. but didn,t care ... and as I,ve shot the 500 smith 4" barrel pushing a 400 gr bullet @ around 1600 fps w/40 gr H110 .... And that load is a perfect load because it was there and killed an inbound 8 1/2 ft 26 yr old brn bear with a 26" skull .. It hit that bear so hard , it blew off its right front elbow and totally shattered its hips and upper legs so you could almost fold one leg over the other ... Yes that load produces a huge fireball that temp blinded my friend , but the power that it hit the bear with turned the charge @around 20 'instantly when the bullet hit .. The bullet was a 400 gr Sierra .. 3 shots , dead bear ............. Other than seeing spots and his ears being clapped for a couple days my friend was fine and dandy .... Had to peel a stinky old bear ................sorry , I digress ..........
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., So perhaps you are right Hitman ; I need one so I can see for myself that yall are right .. The 460 is like the Lott . you can shoot alot of different rounds in it . Thats pretty cool !!!!!!! snubby is great for manuverability inside a tent ... Fireballs may ignight the bear so it can be seen as it runs away and make a better target ............
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. also .no doubt it would be great if I could get a useful velocity without a huge fireball ... But I mostly want LOTS of speed with a big bullet in a handy revolver ....................

As long as you learn something new, it can't be a wasted day. Fireballs on the order I believe you would produce with that revolver would most likely ignite a tent if your were inside it while pulling the trigger. If it didn't, an awfully good chance was being missed.

Honestly, I see very little, if any advantage of a 2.5" barrel length over a 4"; even for packability.

. The difference is 2 or 3 hundred dollars ....... and as I want a SRH Alaskan 454 . I was thinking maybe this would work real good . It is a little heavy , but when it goes off that is a good thing .. And most of the time it will have 45 Colt ammo in it ....
. Honestly , I thot there would be plenty of guys with the snubby hand cannons !!!!!!
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. I,ll pm the Kid . I know he has some of the snubby monsters ......
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.And for the record . I know shooting my 7 1/2" barreled guns is alot more accurate , calmer , and prolly funner ......... But they don,t fit my back pocket ......Thanks for the replies all

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Originally posted by gumboot458:Would you start spelling bullets right . after reading your post it took me 4 tries to spell bullets !!! ...
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Only if you stop using commas where apostrophes go......

Going back to the original question, I have a 2" 44 mag that I pack as a back up pistol. I usually use a fast to medium powder pushing 240gr JHPs to about 1050-1100 fps. I feel this is good for feral hogs, black bears, cougar, and dogs. Even with W231 or HP38, the fireball is about the size of a basketball and the noise and concussion often makes people next to you twitch for a while. Although, it is no where as bad as the 460 5".

In areas where I feel big bears might be a problem, I will carry either a 6" FA 454 or a S&W 460 5". In areas where I know bears will be a problem, and I don't have a choice, a 458 win mag 22" is my choice.

I wish I could help you out on the 460 2", but I always felt a 2" more of bbl would be better if I had to shoot in a hurry.

John

PS, boolits seems more complicated than 240 gr cast. But whatever works.

I have a 3-inch Lew Horton Model 29 that I have carried as backup, and I have a 6.5-inch 29 that has gotten the nod as backup as well, both loaded with 280 grain flat-nosed hardcast bullets. Quite frankly, neither of them seem to get in the way when sitting on my belt. If I felt the need to carry a snub-nose and my options were the Ruger Alaskan or the snubby X-frame, I would pick the smaller of the two and stoke it with 335 grain WFNs in .45 Colt at a moderate velocity. No need for more IMHO.

I think there is a difference in philosophy going on here. This is a handgun hunting site. This implys an offensive action of taking game beyond spitting distance. Gumboot is looking for a defensive gun to keep from being taken.

I carry a backup for just that, backup. The mistake folks make is that they think (often -- not trying to paint too broad a generalization) the more muzzle blast, recoil, and noise, the bette a "stopper" it is. I have a .500 Linebugh coming together (being built), that will act as a serious backup and "oh shit" revolver. What's the load? 525 grain bullet at a scorching 1,100 fps. I'll bet that no matter how you load that .460 with the 2 1/2-inch barrel, it won't put an angry animal down as well. The point I am trying to make is that a lot of velocity isn't necessary, but enough is attainable without the severe kick and noise -- and fireball. Hence my suggestion of a .45 Colt load with a heavy for caliber WFN at a moderate velocity that will be much easier to control if things get ugly. JMHO.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by gumboot458:Would you start spelling bullets right . after reading your post it took me 4 tries to spell bullets !!! ...
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Only if you stop using commas where apostrophes go......

. Whats an apostrophgy

... Yup ... I do agree the 500 Linebaugh would be better .. However .. The 45 cal seems to be what I got @ the moment , and I like it ....... As Cost is an important factor , I am leaning pretty heavy to the Ruger SBH Alaskan in 454 .... .. No doubt it will push the 320 Penetrators over 1200 fps ........ I was also thinking about the ability to use the 460 with a home made shot shell for ptarmigan and grouse when hunting other species ....