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Originally posted by Redhawk1:

You've got that right! You forot this, though:

Nah, yall got it all wrong. JWP shared a lot of very good information with me. I understand this a lot better now. I appreciate him sharing his expertise. Seems like lead has some similar charateristics as aluminum. I know when I heat shape and fit an aluminum shoe to a horses foot, it wears a lot more and faster than if I shape and fit the same shoe cold. Aluminum age hardens the same as lead, which I was unaware of. This is all very interesting to me. I can now see where different hardness levels could be benefical, such as a CASS match, compared to hunting with a high powered handgun. Velocity of 750 compared to 1400-1500 fps, could show the need of soft and hard cast bullets. Now I need to find a mould for some 300 gr 44s, and do some experimenting for myself.

My commentary was intended for the whole arguement, not directed at jwp's post.

I have no problem with water dropped wheelweights on deer. Just don't see the problem.

Farrier Matt;
Th harden carbon steels, you run it up to a given temp and quench, water, oil, air and it is as hard as it will get.......then temper, more heat, softer steel.
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Aluminum alloys and copper alloys, run up to temp and quench, dead soft......add heat and it gets hard. To a point, more heat and it gets harder.
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Then there is aging....metals getting harder. How much depends on alloy and prior heat treat, but predictable.
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Don't know the curves for lead, but if you know the alloys, it is just a google away.
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Posted 31 January 2011 17:09 Hide Post
I have no problem with water dropped wheelweights on deer. Just don't see the problem.

I agree because it is all I use. The problem jumped up with the 45-70 and the much faster boolit. The slower .45 Colt kills about 10X BETTER then the too fast boolit. The .44, .475 and .500 JRH all work wonderful with WD, WW boolits.
I know it is hard to see but after losing a few deer and seeing intact lungs on those I found. I had to think more.

The faster loads leave larger wound channels, there are many that believe a wound 1 1/2" in diameter and larger do not bleed as well as smaller wounds allowing the animal to run farther and more tracking needed. There is some medical evidence that suggest that more rapid clotting and less blood flow to the wound area happens to preserve life.
That is why Veral Smith does not recomnemed the WFN design for speeds above 1100 FPS in the big bores

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/i.../topic,225302.0.html

Why aren't Keith style bullets more popular in rifle calibers? I've got about 30 320 grain cast
.375 H&H bullets. Seems they would work just fine...