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I saw a pic today of a hand with the thumb freshly blown off from a lady shooting a s&w 460 and her thumb was laying across the cylinder front when she fired,it was horrible,the shop salesman that showed me the pic said another lady last week localy blew hers half off witha 38 shooting at a snake in the back yard....holding her S&W the same way,he said the doc was able to sow it back on!!!!
Everyone be carefull out there & watch your love ones that might not beaware that revolvers do have to be held a certain way!!!
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Yeah, that picture is making its way around the internet. Yikes!



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I wonder if anyone told them about the gas coming from between the forcing cone and the cylinder???Maybe just natural selection at work. homer
 
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Another Darwin award contestant?? Big Grin



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I saw a pic today of a hand with the thumb freshly blown off from a lady shooting a s&w 460 and her thumb was laying across the cylinder front when she fired,it was horrible,the shop salesman that showed me the pic said another lady last week localy blew hers half off witha 38 shooting at a snake in the back yard....holding her S&W the same way,he said the doc was able to sow it back on!!!!
Everyone be carefull out there & watch your love ones that might not beaware that revolvers do have to be held a certain way!!!
SAFETY FIRST ALWAYS thumb


Some people just don't get the education needed to properly handle revolvers.
How many times have you seen a father hand a revolver to his son or daughter, but never explain to them to keep there hands away from the cylinder gap area. I know I have seen it.

I have to commend the shooting range I go to, when they teach new shooters. The place newspaper over a revolver, usually a 357 Mag and then they shoot the gun. The paper gets shredded. Then they explain how and why the hot gassed escape the cylinder gap area. They also tell them to never place there hands near the cylinder gap area.

If newer shooter were tough this, these kinds of accidents would not happen. So in my opinion, it is not always the new shooters fault, but the person handing them a gun without proper instruction and warnings.

The X-frame is a heavy revolver, and handing it to a person not familiar with revolvers, or not very strong is wrong. Most people handling a big X-frame, usually puts there off hand up by the cylinder gap area to aid in balancing the big gun. I have seen it far to often and have stopped people and explained to them about what could happen.

When I go to any range and someone asks to shoot one of my 460 or 500 Mags, my first question is, are you an experienced handgun shooter. If not I will explain the gun and function and I do not let them shoot it. I don't think letting people without much or any handgun experience in shoot a big powerful handgun is a good idea. They should work up to it. My 460 and 500 Mag loads are hot loads and not for inexperienced shooters. JMHO


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The new "super magnums" are especially dangerous. As Redhawk relates, we always put that demo first for our classes. Another "new" yet old to most of us, it that infamous double shot. In one class I had a new shooter who wanted to shoot the 500. We got the grip straight and I carefully explained that he must not lock his elbows and lean into the gun before he pulled the trigger. I should have noticed his white knuckles. He pointed the gun downrange and fired with an almost instantanious second shot. He was so anxious of the recoil that his trigger finger locked. The recoil of the gun released pressure on the trigger for a split second (the same time it took the sear to reset) and then resumed to pull off a second shot with the double action. The gun was almost in the vertical when the second round went off.

This guy was a 6 foot+ over 200 pounds guy who simply muscled up on the gun in "fear". I talked to Bill Porter, S&W's Academy instuctor who tells me this is more common that many people would believe and can happen anytime a double action pistol is fired by a novice.

Smith recommends that the super magnums have all chambers loaded when firing them, so now we load single rounds with the other chambers filled with cases.


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I saw a pic today of a hand with the thumb freshly blown off from a lady shooting a s&w 460 and her thumb was laying across the cylinder front when she fired,it was horrible,the shop salesman that showed me the pic said another lady last week localy blew hers half off witha 38 shooting at a snake in the back yard....holding her S&W the same way,he said the doc was able to sow it back on!!!!
Everyone be carefull out there & watch your love ones that might not beaware that revolvers do have to be held a certain way!!!
SAFETY FIRST ALWAYS thumb


Some people just don't get the education needed to properly handle revolvers.
How many times have you seen a father hand a revolver to his son or daughter, but never explain to them to keep there hands away from the cylinder gap area. I know I have seen it.

I have to commend the shooting range I go to, when they teach new shooters. The place newspaper over a revolver, usually a 357 Mag and then they shoot the gun. The paper gets shredded. Then they explain how and why the hot gassed escape the cylinder gap area. They also tell them to never place there hands near the cylinder gap area.

If newer shooter were tough this, these kinds of accidents would not happen. So in my opinion, it is not always the new shooters fault, but the person handing them a gun without proper instruction and warnings.

The X-frame is a heavy revolver, and handing it to a person not familiar with revolvers, or not very strong is wrong. Most people handling a big X-frame, usually puts there off hand up by the cylinder gap area to aid in balancing the big gun. I have seen it far to often and have stopped people and explained to them about what could happen.

When I go to any range and someone asks to shoot one of my 460 or 500 Mags, my first question is, are you an experienced handgun shooter. If not I will explain the gun and function and I do not let them shoot it. I don't think letting people without much or any handgun experience in shoot a big powerful handgun is a good idea. They should work up to it. My 460 and 500 Mag loads are hot loads and not for inexperienced shooters. JMHO


Any time I let someone at the range shoot one of my bigger revolvers I stand behind and to the side, ready to catch the revolver if they don't hang onto it well! I have come close to having to catch it on numerous occasions! jumping



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They used to attach lanyards to revolvers to catch them !!..I did have a problem once with my 44 mag but that wasn't due to lack of knowledge but thinking I was shooting an auto rather than revolver.It's a once only mistake !!
 
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These big bangers can get away from you every now and again if you relax too much shooting them! A lanyard is a great idea, a net might be even better! Big Grin



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I saw that picture also the other weekend. The gun store I buy my reloading stuff from had it on one of their computers. The owner saw me, and immediatly told me to "Come look at this".

He knew I had a .454, and didn't want me to blow off a finger.

The first time I shot a .454 (my friends), he put the revolver in to sand bags on either side of the gap and fired it from one of those mechanical rests. The bags were shredded!
 
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I had something similar happen to me in 2006. The consequences weren't nearly as horrific, but it was a wakeup call anyway. I hunt whitetails in Iowa with a Ruger SBH 44 mag. I also use a Polecat Expidition hiking staff with the yoke for a rest. I was wearing a pair of lightweight gloves with a bit of extra room in the thumb. I had the Ruger resting in the yoke just ahead of the trigger guard. As I pulled the trigger, I felt the left thumb of my glove move. I pulled my left hand back and saw that a section of the thumb had been slice off by the blast from the bc gap. I guess the end of the thumb stuck up near the front of the cylindar as I held on to the staff. Talk about a shock. Didn't touch my thumb though. I thanked my lucky stars that day. It was a high pressure load. 25gr 2400 and a 180gr Rem hollowpoint. About 1600fps. Deadly on whitetails and gloves.


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I found the pic after doing a search,here it is..
 
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That's lovely! That is the picture and should serve as a good warning.



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Just wait and see if there is some crazy lawsuit against S&W for not haveing a blast shield in place and not haveing appropriate dealer training before the transfer of said thumb cutter. Then their will come new legislation, that revolvers will all be outlawed unless your a surgeon that is qualified to cut off thumbs...

I thought that the cylinder gap blast would burn you, but I didn't think that it would cut off a thumb.

I feel sorry for the thumbless person, I bet it hurts like a *(&^*&%## and then some.


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i can't understand how your thumb gets to the front of the cylinder to receive such an injury. what bizarre grip would put your thumb that far forward. the index finger sure, but the thumb?


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jdollar -- never underestimate people's abilities to hurt themselves! Big Grin


It is rather odd for those of us who have shooting experience to imagine being able to do something like this.......yikes.......



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Did I tell you guys the one about this guy that was shooting a scoped 454 and held it right up close to his face and eye so it would be more steady when he shot it?!!??!!

I guess he was lucky to get away with only a broken nose. LOL!!

Now the embarrasing part, it was my teenage son who borrowed it for a hike in the woods when we were camping.
He showed me the spot where he was standing and the big pool of blood on the ground where his nose gushed out both barrels.

He had been hunting and shooting for many years and was a pretty good shot with rifles and pistols. He said he didn't know what he was thinking, but definatly wouldn't do it again.

I'm saveing a copy of the thumb pic, cause telling about it, just doesn't do the same thing as seeing it.


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I saw a pic today of a hand with the thumb freshly blown off from a lady shooting a s&w 460 and her thumb was laying across the cylinder front when she fired,it was horrible,the shop salesman that showed me the pic said another lady last week localy blew hers half off witha 38 shooting at a snake in the back yard....holding her S&W the same way,he said the doc was able to sow it back on!!!!
Everyone be carefull out there & watch your love ones that might not beaware that revolvers do have to be held a certain way!!!
SAFETY FIRST ALWAYS thumb


There seems to be a lot of that going around. That partial thumb BlackBearHunter posted belongs to a person who posted the story on Jan 20 this year after sustaining the injury while shooting a Smith & Wesson 460 (XVR, I am told). Here is the address of the original post/thread

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=664580&page=1

It has generated a lot of traffic, over 40 pages the last time I checked. Also, the story has been picked up all around the country or world. There is another thread on AccurateReloading already.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7611043/m/905102718

and another I frequent

http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php?t=25870

and bunches more, I am sure.

This guy (gal?) had the bravery to post the story and pictures as education for the rest of us, and has also taken a lot of heat for making the original mistake and for posting remarks that have been (apparantly) misinterpreted as complaints against Smith & Wesson. Of course, mixing alcohol and painkillers and taking off the bandages and unpacking the wound in order to provide the pictures, one of which is posted in this thread, is also not wise, but generous nonetheless.

On the good side, there is a better prognosis from the doctor and surgeon than they had at first. They may even be able to avoid surgery. The more recent photos also show the thumb from the side, which shows the thumbnail much more intact than it appears in the earlier pictures.

Larry (Lost Sheep)

P.S. I went back and re-found this message which should make more pictures visible.

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=7767070&postcount=54
 
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i can't understand how your thumb gets to the front of the cylinder to receive such an injury. what bizarre grip would put your thumb that far forward. the index finger sure, but the thumb?


He used a high thumb hold like the current trend of gripping 1911s. Thumbs stacked on top of each other pointing at the target. Makes the thumb rest right next to the cylinder gap. OUCH.

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The new "super magnums" are especially dangerous. As Redhawk relates, we always put that demo first for our classes. Another "new" yet old to most of us, it that infamous double shot. In one class I had a new shooter who wanted to shoot the 500. We got the grip straight and I carefully explained that he must not lock his elbows and lean into the gun before he pulled the trigger. I should have noticed his white knuckles. He pointed the gun downrange and fired with an almost instantanious second shot. He was so anxious of the recoil that his trigger finger locked. The recoil of the gun released pressure on the trigger for a split second (the same time it took the sear to reset) and then resumed to pull off a second shot with the double action. The gun was almost in the vertical when the second round went off.

This guy was a 6 foot+ over 200 pounds guy who simply muscled up on the gun in "fear". I talked to Bill Porter, S&W's Academy instuctor who tells me this is more common that many people would believe and can happen anytime a double action pistol is fired by a novice.

Smith recommends that the super magnums have all chambers loaded when firing them, so now we load single rounds with the other chambers filled with cases.


That happened at a gun Range in the Seattle area about 10 years back. Evidently a woman was shooting a large caliber double action. the recoil kicked it clean over her head and she pulled the trigger a second time shooting and killing her husband who was standing behind her.

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My Dad lost the fingers on his right hand in an industrial accident 40 years ago. He had a "harness" made for his Contender that went around his chest and hooked to the sling swivel in the forend.

It kept the gun from coming up during recoil. Worked really well and made the gun 100% stable.
You'd just bring it up to tension and fire. Even one handed, it was no problem.

I could hit just about anything with that setup, and VERY quickly with zero climb.

And then there is this...

600 Nitro Contender

Lucky he's still standing...


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