Ok,Maybe its time to do something New ...Taurus is coming out with a 28ga Revolver soon ..Got the gears turning..It is .55 cal ...How about we get some cases made about 2.5" long and make a cast bullet for them..6-700grains??..Go for a reasonable 1200fps which is about 2000ft pds and Unstoppable ..Great for Grizz and Gristle Plates(Hogzilla's)..It is a 6" barrel,but of course I NEED to have it shorter,say 3"?! Would sure be a Thumper for sure! Now for the name-Hmmm "Rajun Cajun" (I am one)..."Grizzinator"...."Ole 55"..."Grizzilla"...Zombinator....Oh,I have to much Free time!...Ok,fellow Cannon toters,"What Say You? Ideas,Suggestions Welcome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNfZ1Xo_B64

There is always the point of dimishing returns and with a Taurus shooting 600-700 grain bullets I bet you wear out the revolver before the brass.
IF, and that's a big IF a shooter could control this monster shooting those large bullets at 1100-1200 fps I just don't see any pracitical gains over a 475-500 Linebaugh, 500 JRH or 500 S&W. Those cylinder walls are pretty thin to me as well.

I agree and a Taurus Fan I am not!.....That big case may help keep presures down though and it doea have double lockup.I am sure the 454s and 500s in the Rajun Bulls generate more pressure?....Like I said I have to much free time!

A 28 ga. revolver (or any handgun) is not legal in the U.S. without a BATF license for a "Destuctive Device", and Taurus was so informed when they announced it. Nothing over a .500" bore (commonly .510" grooves) is legal.

32ga is still a viable option? What kind of plug will be used when hunting migratory birds?

Will it be safe for non toxic shot? Chokes available?

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A 28 ga. revolver (or any handgun) is not legal in the U.S. without a BATF license for a "Destuctive Device", and Taurus was so informed when they announced it. Nothing over a .500" bore (commonly .510" grooves) is legal.

Shotgun calibers are exempt from this caliber restriction.

There's another common misconception, even with the people who are supposed to be enforcing this rule... Read, verbatim, the rules concerning shotguns, barrel length, and smooth vs rifled bore. All you need is rifling on a 28ga pistol and it's now legal, per the written law. Twist could be 1 in 1,000,000 if you wanted...

Don't know current status. But they announced this at the last SHOT show. As soon as ATF made the rounds the display model was removed from the Taurus booth. I would guess if they rifle the bore it would be destructive device. If they don't rifle then it would be a short barreled shotgun. As I said no idea about current status,they might of found a way around it.

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Originally posted by kenoneill:
A 28 ga. revolver (or any handgun) is not legal in the U.S. without a BATF license for a "Destuctive Device", and Taurus was so informed when they announced it. Nothing over a .500" bore (commonly .510" grooves) is legal.

Dead wrong on several levels.
1: 410 shotgun pistols are sold every day
2: short barreled shotguns are aow not dd. any other weapon
3: who possibly knows what Taurus was informed of, as they legally sell a 410 pistol today
4: as a person with TWO carts over .500 bore that are legally designated as sporting rounds, I can tell you, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that .550 can be perfectly legal and not require a DD designation. Why can I say that? Because both of the rounds I have paper on are actually .550.


So. 28 ga rifled pistols should be legal ( the makers will have to do sporting designation )if made that way with rifle barrels. 28 ga from hell. Sure and possible. Would be interesting

.410 shotgun handgun barrels do not have bores over .50".
What handguns do you have that have BORES over .500 that do not require BATF approval? What is the "paper" you mention?

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Originally posted by kenoneill:
.410 shotgun handgun barrels do not have bores over .50".
What handguns do you have that have BORES over .500 that do not require BATF approval? What is the "paper" you mention?

wow... if i have to answer this, its going to be hard for us to have a common basis to talk about... but i will try - please don't read this as me being rude .. it is, however, an area that has many common misunderstandings

lets decouple several things you have lumped together.

shotgun shells shotgun shells with smooth bore or rifled bore - by YOUR statement, all 12ga are illegal as they are DDs - this isn't true .. in fact, there are specific cartridge approvals for many historic rounds, including the 600 and 700 nitro ..

therefore, your position of the bore alone describing a DD is incorrect ..

bore diameter bore diameter - see above .. bore diameter isn't the primary issue here.. and PISTOLS as well as RIFLES have exactly the same laws applied to them .. the bore diameter test doesn't just apply to rifles -- therefore your specification of pistol bore is irrelevant, but i will pick it up later

a shot barreled shotgun is a AOW (any other weapon) in most circumstances - this is the heart of the issue - and the one that the makers will have to deal with -- this is NOT a bore issue, it is a shotgun issue ..

as for paperwork -- and the .550 in particular, I refer you to my dear friend's website, where he has more patience than I to inform you of the process and paperwork

http://custombrassandbullets.com/atf.html


now, let's get back to the .500 bore question for a few minutes.. that law reads that .500 BORE, right? (yes, it does) however it has been interpreted as meaning .500 GROOVE or even worse, no greater than .500 bullet diameter..

hold on -- i have to be full of prunes on this, right? well, no...

500 linebaugh - .510 bullet . and basically the ONLY "500" handgun that is .510, as the 50 beowolf, 500 Ae, and 500 SW (and derivatives) are .490 bore, .500 grove, to avoid possible law suits...

"show me a pistol over .500" .. does .600 suit you?
http://seanlinnane.blogspot.co...-express-pistol.html

bigdoggy, here on AR, owned this pistol at one time.. i THINK he also owned a 700 NE ...

lemat revolvers, thousands made, and still being made, .600 smooth bore as well as having a 28 gauge variant...

there are MANY howdah pistols, including cartridge guns, that are owned and exceed .500...

while this is a muzzle loader, and some other rules also apply, it is a 20ga shotgun pistol .. being sold TODAY at cabelas

http://www.cabelas.com/pistols...-howdah-pistol.shtml

what paper? sporting use designation - or, frankly, DD designation, as DD's aren't illegal to own, they are illegal to own without paperwork... just like full autos, you must have the proper paper work...

so, 3 issues
1: short barrel shotgun
2: bore diameter
3: sporting use ..

while there are historical precedents, i think overcoming all three of these could be a big legal issue -- the technicalities of the law could be met, but not signed off -

i would very likely buy one, if legal ..

but, like the streetsweeper, the rules can change making a gun that was legal yesterday into an illegal to own without paperwork tomorrow..

so lemat and howdah's on one end, judge type pistols on another, and streetsweepers to round it out .. likely a toss up as to them getting it approved ..

I don't mean to be rude either, but you have confirmed my points:
Whether you want to characterize them as destructive devices or "any other weapon", a 28 ga. shotgun in the form of a handgun will require BATF approval (tax and paperwork - that's why I asked you what you meant by paper) or will otherwise be illegal. I was trying to be helpful to the OP, so don't bother arguing with me ... argue with BATF.

I never said "show me a pistol over .500" (they do exist). YOU said you HAD a couple, with the appropriate "paper". That's why I asked you what you had and what you meant by "paper", to get solid confirmation that you meant the very BATF licensing I suggesated was required. Didn't quite get all of that in your response.

Everyone has seen the video of the .600 NE jumping out of the shooter's hand. I don't know whether that gun was built in the US, shot in the US, had BATF approval or not.

The LeMat falls into a curio and relic category, as would the original blackpowder Howdahs. I don't know whether Lee Jurras' modern iterations of the Contender Howdahs required BATF licensing or not. I will ask him when I have an opportunity.

I want one of these!

sorry to have bothered you - ya'll have a nice night

If Taurus brings out a legal 28ga revolver, I'll buy one for sure.

There are 2 different laws that I know of that can apply to this,
the Gun Control Act(GCA)
and the National Firearms Act(NFA).
The CGA covers most normal firearms while the NFA applies to full auto, any other weapon(pen gun...) and destructive devices(anything with a bore diameter larger than 1/2"...)
For shotguns(smooth bore) to be legal they need to have a barrel length not shorter than 18" and an overall length not shorter than I think 26"(don't have the law infront of me). Any smooth bore pistol is considered a short barrel shotgun, even it it's chambered in 38 special...
The over 50 cal rifles are legal because of a Sporting Arms Excemption, I don't know if that will cover a pistol or not. That would be a good question for the ATF.
There are some excemptions for the above that I know if.
1. Muzzle loaders are considered to be a non-firearm, so the Pedersoli Howdahs are legal.

2. Antique also = non-firearm, so the Antique 577 Tranters and Original Howdahs are excempt.

3. Reproduction of Antiques, centerfire reproductions with a bore larger than 1/2" can be legal if they are chambered for a cartridge that is not availible through normal commercial channels. I asked the ATF for a list and they politely refused to provide one and wondered why I would build something that I couldn't buy ammo for.

I wrote a letter to the ATF asking if I could take an Antique shotgun and cut it down to make a centerfire Howdah with rifled barrels larger than 50 cal, or if I chambered it in a wildcat would that make it legal. If it starts out as an antique then I would think that it should be fare game to cut and chop on. Their responce was that any cut down shotgun would be considered a sawed off shotgun and subject to the NFA laws. They didn't specifically respond to the starting with an antique, or if it was chambered for a wildcat.
I still think that you could start with an Antique and be legal because Antiques are not concidered to be a firearm.

I read an article sometime back, I think it was by Ross Seyfried, that told of Bowen trying to apply for perfimmsion to build a 577 Redhawk and got denied.

I guess I wrote more than my 2 cents worth.
I'm not trying to be confrontational, I've just read up on this quite abit as I'd like to have a centerfire big bore Howdah that was less than $15k. I love shooting my 70 cal double pistol, but it's a PinFire and abit of a pain to reload for. Cutdown 16ga brass or hulls modified for pinfire, loaded with FFg and 1oz 12ga slugs