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Why are there no hunting wadcutters? Seems a wadcutter would be a great hunting bullet. -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | ||
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There is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Wide is good, to a certain degree. You want to create shock/deliver energy but at the same time need penetration too. | |||
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Anyone know a manufacturer of .45 cal wadcutters? -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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Shoot a plain base bullet backwards if you want a wadcutter. Nothing magical. Well, at least have an OK day  | |||
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One could load a normal bullet backwards. I know some that load the Barnes XPB bullets backwards. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I was thinking of loading backwards also. I have a box of 255 grain SWC that I am loading in my new 45 Colt Blackhawk. For my loads and that bullet I figure forward is good enough. A friend and I loaded 115 grain 9mm FMJ's backwards at full tilt in 357 mag before. Makes for a killer hollow point load. ------ We also shot 3/16" steel plates with various rifle loads. 223 fmj would go through one, 243 115 would go through two, 30-06 180 would go through three and a 115 loaded backwards in the 243 would go through four. If anyone tries to load backwards remember the bullet will be seated ultra deep! -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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I have shot rabbits with .38 wadcutters before and it puts them down. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I think part of the problem with a full wadcutter would be long range stability. The wrong bullet proportions can destabilize somewhere in flight and then who knows where the bullet ends up. I have some 45 cal moulds in the 320-350gn range, all the same basic bullet, same base, just a different nose meplat(70%, 80% and 90%). I tried them all with the same load in my 454 at 1350fps at a 1000yd range. The 70's looked good all the way out. The 80% nose bullets started to vear off course somewhere around 300yds. At 400yds, they could be 15-20yds off to either side. With this I thought the 90's would be even worse, but they flew great to about 800yds. Has there been any comparison on straight line penetration with different nose profiles? Or is that more of a bullet integrity thing? | |||
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The problem with a full wad cutter and a semi wad cutter is alignment at the forcing cone. The front edge can be wiped off on one side before going into the rifling and that will not pull the cylinder in line. You need the proper shaped boolit nose for the forcing cone. | |||
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.38 special's loaded with 148gr. wadcutters at 800 fps are devasatating on bunnies. I'm not sure I'd trust 'em for Trophy Squirell though! Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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 "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I have shot a few bunnies with 38 wadcutters too.  -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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When I was a kid I would bow hunt where you could not shoot a gun. Loaded with rabbits. I never came out of there with less then 16 rabbits in shopping bags. I would glue a .38 case on the end of wooden arrows and that was the best use I ever found for a .38!  I ate so many back then that I can not eat a rabbit at all today. The slingshot with lead balls did as good for me. I even killed a few with a blowgun and another ton with a cheap crossbow. I can't count the pheasants I shot either. The best bow shot I ever made was a pheasant that flew too far for my flu-flu arrow and it bounced off. I watched him fly away and hit the electric wires, he broke his neck and fell at the side of the road. I can still see all the people stopped at the light when I picked him up.  | |||
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Was there electricity back then?  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I went deer hunting with friend who brought along a 38 pistol. He shot his biggest deer of the trip it and 158 lead round nose. Apparently no one ever told him that a .38 was worthless .I once shot a moose in the head with a .38 special round nose at point blank range and the bullet bounced off and hit me in the inner leg. I swore I would find bone shards in my leg but all there was was a bullet that looked liked a nickel and a bruise to match. :P -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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Yup, round nosed bullets are notorious for sucking!  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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You are correct about the long range performance. Penetration is about bullet integrety and nose shape/ profile as well as the percent of the meplat _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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What an idiotic post... if your revolver is so sloppy that firing a bullet into a barrel will align the chamber with the centerline of the barrel, you are shooting a worn out piece of crap. Period. And yes, as a matter of fact, I DO cast a full wadcutter for the 45 Colt. 200 grains, to be exact. | |||
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Many years ago I bought a brand new S&W M29 with 10 5/8" bbl and the 4 position adjustable front sight. I was casting and loading a 225gn SWC and it would spit lead and sometimes hit people standing near me. Is this what he was talking about? This was from a brand new gun. After awhile people would take several steps back while I was shooting. | |||
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A good revolver will have .006" play at the lock notches. That is less towards the center so it amounts to a few thousandths at the chambers. No one can build a super tight cylinder and have every chamber perfectly in line with the bore. The boolit nose can move the cylinder just enough for the alignment. Even replacing the pin with a super tight one can ruin accuracy. | |||
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Well you are wrong - period. That is exactly how a revolver works. Some of the most accurate revolvers are pretty loose. Well, at least have an OK day | |||
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Then all these custom shops that take the slop out of revolvers by line boring the cylinder through the frame and ensuring it locks up like a bank vault at full cock are wasting money. They should all be loose as a goose? Okay, I can admit being wrong, just makes no sense to me based on what I said above. | |||
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Not sure what that has to do with anything. Do you have proof that revolvers are horribly inaccurate until they are sent to a shop? Obviously not. Revolvers self-align. Well, at least have an OK day | |||
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No, I do not. But I have a custom Bowen 45 Redhawk that significantly outshoots the assembly line 45 Redhawk I have, and my Freedom Silhouette 654 shoots circles around my Model 57 Smiths. I admitted being wrong, but I have perxonal experience that tells me all I need to know about custom work improving accuracy. I never said factory revolvers were "horribly inaccurate". Read the post and quit trying to put words in my mouth. | |||
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They have to be locked up tight in order to line bore them for obvious reasons. That said, my BFR has a little slop and it'll do this at 50-yards:  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Here is interesting discussion regarding boolit design http://castboolits.gunloads.co...wthread.php?t=111064 . Considering what James Gates stated there and your Lar45 experience, looks to me that for a hunting boolit optimum meplat is about 80%.
Incredible accuracy! Is this 50 AE? | |||
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That's a .500 JRH and it's a 440 grain truncated cone bullet and the meplat is right around 78%. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I see now, that big groove confused me. One question, what is 500 JRH in BFR max theoretical length of loaded round, measuring from the bottom of the case to the front face of the cylinder? BTW, here is my little idea of the boolit with 80% meplat on 502-440-TCGC  Thanks, Onty | |||
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Whitworth, what are the cases formed from? That has to be a wrist-wrencher! | |||
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It's a commercial offering now, so you can buy the properly headstamped brass new. Or you can cut .500 Smith brass down to 1.4-inches. The spec calls for a smaller rim as well, but I think the BFR will accept the wider rim of the .500 Smith. My load goes about 1,350 and it's not horrible to shoot. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Where did you find 500 JRH brass? I looked at Midway, Buffalo Bore and Starline but didn't find anything listed. | |||
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Call Jack Huntings (JRH) at 530/268-6877 -- he has a stockpile of Starline brass. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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My apology for being pushy but I would like to know what is for 500 JRH in BFR max. theoretical length of loaded round, measuring from the bottom of the case to the front face of the cylinder? Thanks again. | |||
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Don't know. The BFR has plenty of cylinder length for the cartridge so we haven't run into any issues with bullet length. Here's a photo with a 440 grain load -- plenty of space for a longer nose, but probably not needed.  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Here is a picture of two boolits. Notice they are both PB. The left is the 420 gr .475 and the right is the 440 gr .500 JRH. Whitworth's group at 50 was shot with this boolit. I made the molds. Both boolits will shoot into 1" or less at 100 yards. The cans were each shot twice at 100, the paint can with my BFR .475 and the left was with Whitworth's .500 JRH. To make matters interesting, Whitworth shot the beer can once and I took the second shot. Both shots went into the same hole. My .475 boolit has kept 4 out of 5 shots on a 6" swinger at 400 yards. Maybe I need to get my guns tightened up! | |||
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I lost the picture, had to back and get it again.  | |||
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Then my old, worn out SBH .44 bought in the early 80's, shot IMSA, too many 39's and 40's to count and it won Ohio state with 79 out of 80. I should have had them all but I lost it on the last ram after 79 straight hits. I kept track of primers for heavy loads and the count has gone over 61,000 plus uncounted light loads. Funny it is as tight as the day I bought it and shows no wear. I designed a new boolit, 330 gr and made the mold. I wanted a drop test at 200 yards so I shot 3 shots to measure. This boolit has dropped a LOT of deer out to 100 yards. Now Doubless, I don't doubt what you are saying at all but maybe a few would like to see what you mean.  | |||
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My 475 BFR's cylinder is 1.845" With a fired case in, it is 1.858" from the rim to the front of the cylinder. If I remember right the 50AE cylinder was the same length, I would bet the 500JRH cylinder will be the same also. Hopefully mine will get here tomorrow. I'll cut down some 500 S&W cases to get me started, but order some JRH brass.(thanks for the info) | |||
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No problem, Lar, keep us posted! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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You may need to turen the necks on the cut down 500 S&W brass to allow for the bullet inorder to not bulge the case. Check them to be sure _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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