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You guys who have shot silhouette with a revolver , what scope did you use ..I missed a coyote yesterday @ about 110 yards and am getting tired of missing ..... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | ||
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I have a 3200 2-6X on mine. A scope is not going to keep you from missing though. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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My long distance handguns have either a Bushnell Elite 3200 or a Leupold 2.5X8. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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I shot open sights. If you used a scope, you had to shoot off hand only. (IHMSA) A scope is OK if all of your shooting is from a rest. Forget hitting anything off hand with them. Get an Ultra Dot for off hand. | |||
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Leupold 2.5X handgun scopes work fine for me with no rest. Higher power/variables require a rest. Shooting sticks work fine in the field. I like the 2.5s best. | |||
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Say what!!! I have a Ruger 454 with a leupold 2x on it and I shoot offhand far more than from a rest. Offhand its a whole world better beyond 50 yards. I don't prefer the higher magnifications because of FOV restrictions. I used to have the Leu 4x and sold it because it was difficult in brush or woods to find the target. The 2x provides a fairly quick clear single point focus without too much FOV restriction. You put a scope on a handgun for the same reasons you put one on a rifle, a scope performs the same function on a handgun that it does on a rifle, extends your shooting range. I also agree a red dot is an excellent choice for a handgun if you don't like the FOV issues, provides a very fast acquisition. Still provides a single focal plane that does improve accuracy compared to simultaneously lining up 3 objects all in different focal planes. Same advantages as on a rifle. | |||
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Undoubtedly I may still miss sometimes but it will be much less than with iron sights .. I really did want that coyote , but could only get just so close ......I have shot a contender off hand with a scope on them and did quite well wackin a gong @ 300 yrds ... I don,t have any idea what scope it was tho ... ... Does the 2-6 Bushnell 3200 have Rain Guard on the lenses .... I can make a belt holster to pack it with .. Mayby I should look around for a different pistol to put a scope on ... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Guys, you don't understand. A scope shows all your shakes and if you can hit pop cans at 100 yd's off hand with the thing you are welcome to come and show me. Sticks and bags in full daylight, yes but you can't prove to me that it is easier with a scope then with open sights or a red dot. You can put up with FOV but take it hunting where all of your shots are early and late in the evening and tell me you can see the cross hairs and the deer through that black hole! With the tiny exit pupil that scatters with the long eye relief, you are trying to fool me. No, I am NOT kidding you, come and prove it to me! I will put a deer target up at 20, 50, 75 and 100 yd's and I want you to make a kill shot from the start and finish of legal shooting time up to 1/2 hour either side of it. (legal side.) Sure, I can kill a deer up to 50 yd's with a scope, off hand, but it needs to be full light. Any farther, I need a red dot or open sights. For you long range shooters I will set a steel ram at 200 meters, you can use 8X or 12X off hand. PLEEEEESE come show me, I need a good laugh! I am betting even money none of you can hit a squirrel in the head at 20 yd's off hand with a 2X scope on a handgun. None of you explain to a new scope user the extreme limitations and how hard it is. I will even go a step farther and I want any of you to come here and shoot pop cans off hand at 100 yd's with a scoped high power rifle. I can laugh even more!  | |||
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I'll take that bet, but it has to be a chipmunk, not a squirrel.......  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I am glad to see real humor here instead of humorous talk!  | |||
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I only own revolvers and I do not scope them. A Ultra Dot I might use, but I am not a fan of a scope on a revolver and that is me. As far as shooting pop cans at 100 with a scoped rifle I don't see this as being that difficult as compared to any other type of sight, the shake is always there no matter what sighting device one uses _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Fill the pop can with ffff black powder to make sure there is no mistake when I hit it. INSTANT GRATIFICATION We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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Have you tried that?!  Might piss off the neighbors! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I couldn't be happier with the 2-7x Burris on my 500 S&W. It really "makes the gun" in terms of accuracy. The accuracy difference between the two is huge. With the scope I can really use the gun to the maximum of it's abilities (and mine). | |||
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Me thinks hitting the head of a squirrel at 20 yards off hand with a scope isn't much of a challenge. I want to see all those shakes, that is called accuracy, the scope doesn't cause the shakes, just allows you to compensate for them, same as a rifle scope, can't correct for what you can't see. | |||
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To say that because one individual cannot use a scope well offhand, that no one can use one well off hand is absolutely incorrect. As a Master Class NRA Hunters Pistol and International Class IHMSA Standing shooter, my scores immediately jumped 3 to 5 points per 40 shot match when I began using scopes in the early 80's. Using a 2X Leupold on my Ruger auto in indoor bullseye competition before the use red dots was widespread, my scores jumped about 15-20 points per 600 point match vs my iron sight scores. I have used scoped handguns for much of my hunting since the early 80's. Those who want to try scopes, particularly low powered scopes on revolvers should absolutely do so. Practice a lot with serious intent and ignore the naysayers. See what works for you. | |||
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My longest off hand shot with a scoped handgun was 68 yards, with a one shot kill of a Fallow deer. 95% of the time I use a rest with a scoped handgun. If I am walking I use my stony point shooting sticks, and when I am in my stand, my shooting rail is used. Yes off hand, a red-dot or open sights is a lot easier. The scope magnifies the movement you make, and most of the time, people over compensate for the slight moment they see through the scope. The other factor is the added weight of the scope to the handgun. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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which can be a blessing on some of the harder kicking cartridges. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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bfrshooter There's a reason for quick release scope mounts that return to zero every time. Irons aren't perfect, red dots aren't perfect, holo sights aren't perfect, and scopes aren't perfect. They all have their limitations and instead of insulting people, why not say that "I can't hit a squirrel in the head at twenty yards with a scope" instead of saying nobody can do it? It'd be more polite. Since you mentioned squirrels and scoped handguns...  25M shot on squirrel with my BFR with the .45-70 wheel in it. 2.5X Leupold. Broad daylight, two handed, no rest, sitting on a porch drinking a beer. Remington standard 405 grain plinker load. One shot fired. OH.... as a sometimes user of scopes on handguns, I find maintaining proper eye relief, which varies depending on what shooting stance you end up in, to be more of a problem than the image wiggling around. Wiggly image is a lot easier to deal with than looking at a black circle you can't see through much at all. Then two thumbscrews remove the scope and you use the iron sights you also have on the gun... It's not like you can't use both if you plan ahead when setting up your hunting rig. | |||
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My offer still stands. Come and show me how steady you can shoot off hand with a scope. I am not saying that some can't do it but place that gun in the hand of someone that never tried one and you will see a man go to pieces and throw the thing in a drawer. It takes years and hundreds of thousands of shots. I shoot better then most but I hate the things unless I have a rest. Stop blowing smoke up someones butt telling them they will be able to shoot one off hand. I was also an international class IHMSA shooter and I will tell you I could have gained many more targets with a red dot. When my eyesight was good I always shot better with open sights then I did at hunters pistol with a scope. The only way to shoot a pistol scope is at 1X. All of you with strong scopes are going to hunt like hell for a rest. So what do we have here? One out of 100,000 shooters that can do it! Give me a break! | |||
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you're a little early for Christmas bfrgrinch. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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But I didn't tell anybody they could or couldn't do anything nor did I say I learned to do it overnight. I just said I like Leu 2.5s. Maybe I should have added, when conditions are right to use them? My eyes don't do multiple focal planes well anymore so if conditions are favorable to use a scope I might use one. I'm not much good past 75 with a rifle anymore with irons. I have red dots and holo sights too. And everything always has a back up set of irons on it. This friend of mine has been bugging me because he wants to be able to shoot like a SWAT sniper and he's all wrapped up in what gear to buy and I told him "That's the least of your costs, the practice ammo will cost a lot more than whatever rifle and optics you buy." Sorta the same with shooting scoped handguns. The ammo you expend learning to use them well will be significantly greater in cost than even the nicest pistol scope. Still doesn't make them a non-viable option. Fair enough? | |||
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Tom, I kill more squirrels with my scoped Mark II then all of my friends do with rifles. I also miss more then I did with open sights. I have head shot many at 50 yd's and farther with open sights. One dead squirrel does not prove how hard it is to hold and squeeze off a perfect shot. I once shot a pile of hair off a running woodchuck at better then 500 yd's with an open sighted .44 Ruger. Does that prove I am a perfect shot? Didn't prove anything to me but a lucky shot. I also head shot a chuck from a sitting position at 550 yd's with a .300 Weatherby. Yes, I am a good shot but can I do it 5 times in a row????? Get real. All of you are patting yourselves on the back when the issue is how a scope will work for Gumboot when he never shot with one. My challenge will forever stand because not a single one of you will ever prove it to me. Make it easy on the man and let him use a red dot! He will thank you for it. If Gumboot's shots are all from a rest then a scope will work fine. He did not specify! | |||
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I never much get that side of the Mississippi. Don't have occasion to. If I ever happen to be passing by I'd take you up on it and then we can argue about it over beers but I never said anybody could or couldn't do anything, just what scope I liked and I was mistaken in not pointing out that you need good circumstances and practice for it to work, same as a rifle scope for that matter. This feller was in the gun shop/indoor range Wednesday and he wanted his son's .25-06 deer rifle dialed in and ready to go by tonight cos they're leaving on a hunt tomorrow (Saturday) morning. Said he tried to sight it in but the gun wasn't shooting worth a f*ck and wouldn't group. I was just killin time and jawin and watched as the collimator borescope was applied and it was dead on as much as you can be with one of those devices before you go to paper and then it went over to the bench and it grouped fine at 100. People are the weak link in the accuracy of most all systems. I'd be glad if they could roll the clock back on my eyes thirty years, but they can't, so I work with what I can and practice a lot.  | |||
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Tom, I used to head shoot chucks at better then 600 yd's. I won the company trophy in the army with the highest score ever shot on the KD range with the M1. I shot expert with everything. I shot so many 40's in IHMSA I lost count. I won Ohio state big bore international and .22 international with Rugers. Whitworth and I hold 6" off hand groups at 100 yd's with .475 linebaughs and red dots. We shoot liter plastic bottles off hand from a tree stand to better then 65 yd's. We shoot good and shoot all the time. I don't profess to be better then some either, nor can I speed shoot. I am good at what I do only. Scopes drive me nuts on a revolver off hand. Plain and simple. If Whitworth and I have trouble with a scope off hand, what can you expect from someone that never used one. MS, you know I am right. I am not a grinch, but will never tell a guy to use something he can't handle. Why do we stray from giving a man a good answer by everyone saying how good they are? I don't care, I want to help the man. | |||
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Because the initial question was
It wasn't "should I use a scope?" So some of us said what scopes we have used. | |||
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Tom, a friend dropped off 3 Weatherby Vanguard rifles for me to mount scopes on. Much trouble with the short scope tubes and needed extension rings. I even had to make bases for one. There was a .300 Weatherby, a 30-06 and a .243. I got the .243 done and sighted. I was amazed at how it shot Hornady factory loads. Each group as I adjusted the POI was under 1/2". By the way, I make my own all grain beer and you can come drink all you want. I would love to have you. We might even find time to shoot! | |||
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bfr, You really need to go back and READ my first post on this thread. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Am not a wonderful longer range shot with a pistol and will carry a rifle unless I've already taken a deer with one already. I've hunted with a 6" M57 Smith fitted with a 2x Leupold for a long time. I always try to rest a firearm when I can. Any additional stability is a plus. Longest pistol shot has been 124 yards. It only took one. Works well for me. One season I used a 1911 based race gun in 40 S&W (loaded long and to 10mm velocities). That pistol has a Holosight mounted on it. They have 1 minute dots that allow fine targeting. It worked fine at 70 yards. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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Sounds ok to me. Might make it some day. | |||
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Tom, I am like you, if I am going to use a handgun with a scope, I prepare for it. Shooting sticks or some kind of rest. Now if I am walking through the woods and doing a spot and stalk, I will choose a handgun with open sights or a red-dot. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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..... I had no idea I would start such a ruckus ... Anything with batteries won,t work for this application ..Weve been living below zero most days for almost 3 weeks now ...it was 25 below last friday when I went to the woods ....... . . It gets COLD here . 40 below is very common and there have been 3 week long runs with it being more than 50 below ,Everyone who has been here 30 years has seen more than 70 below several times .. . .. .. I don,t think it will be that hard to improve my revolver shooting with a scope .... It ain,t that hard to hit a bear in the head at 20 feet , which is the primary job for this gun of mine .. But now that it is winter and I do a fair amount of ramblin around , having a scope on this gun will be an asset . . just like most people can,t hit much offhand with a rifle neither can they with a pistol I guess .. I can hit pretty well off hand and I know I could have hit that coyote with the 4x Leupold pistol scope that I had on my 500 A-Square rifle ....... I can see that if the electronics worked that a holo sight or red dot sight would be very easy to use .. Heck , I,m going to have to load my Casull with a different powder for winter because H110 looses so much velocity in the cold..... I kindof wish Magnum Research made a BFR in 225 Winchester ....... It would be the cats meow for this time of year .... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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gumboot458, good luck with your scope choice and use. You do have a great point about using batteries in such cold temp's. Let us know what you decide. The Leupold 2 X and 4 X scopes are good. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Holy smokes!  I like cold but steel breaks where you live! Does powder even burn up there? | |||
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Ya , I think I have figured out how to keep the batteries in the range finder warm enough to work ,Build a sweat pruf holster case for it that has heat pac holders in it ,. I can keep a spare battery or 2 there .. . For my fur rifles I am seriously considering the fire fly reticle just because it doesn,t use batteries ... And I think the 5-15 power is a good range .... Obviously the scope on the revolver would only be usable during day light . But I still view it as a weapon of opportunity , especially with fur bearers ........ You can,t believe how P.O.ed I would be if I had missed a wolf the other day   Does any one like the variable Burris pistol scopes ???????????. I have votes for the Lup and Bushnell ,.,. Also does anyone make a scope base that has a rear sight in the base so when the scope is taken off there is a rear sight in place ????????????? Thanks all ...If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I have a couple of Burris variables and they work just fine for me. My satisfaction with these scopes in no way guarantees you whiter teeth, fresher breathe, or that you won't miss occasionally. I believe you are going to be hard pressed to find a scope base that will allow you to keep the rear sight in place. I use the Leupold base on my FA Casull. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Are there different bases as far as how they bolt on to the gun ,,???? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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For the FAs, all the ones I've seen use the existing rear sight holes in the frame for attachment. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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bfr, I agree with you. I missed a nice buck with my .454C trotting thru the woods because I was using a scope and couldn't pick him up in the scope. I changed to a red dot, a Simmons multi recticle. I've had no problems with the Simmons except a dead battery. The Simmons has held up well and I'll never go back to a scope with power for hunting unless it's for squirrels. BD "An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a slave", Ceasar | |||
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.. They must be pretty tough screws to take the thrashing that pistol would give a scope .. .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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