Big Al, I'm sure they will work great! bfrshooter has done quite a bit of load development for the .45 Colt -- I'm sure he'll chime in. I'll send him an e-mail.

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Originally posted by GSSP:
Ok, bought some Cast Performance 335 gr WFNGC'S today @ Sportsman Warehouse. Anybody got any load data for these heavy things? Something appropriate to the pressure levels my S&W 625-9 can digest w/o indigestion and will spit out to make loooong deeeeep holes in a bear, if needed.

I want to try them since the 265 gr CP's were so accurate. My barrel must like the lead hardness of these things.

Even though I may not agree with all who have posted on this thread, I do appreciate the input.

GSSP, I just loaded up 200 rounds for my Ruger 45 Colt. I used 325 gr hard cast bullets over 21.0 gr. of H110. That is on the hot side, I think 18.0 gr. of H110 is a good starting point for the S&W.

Here is some load data for a Ruger, so load it down a little.
340 gr LFP, 7.5" Blackhawk, WLP primers, 1.748" OAL
5.5" Bisley *
Powder Weight Velocity Std Dev Group
Unique 9.0 gr 880 fps 44 fps 5"
2400 19.0 gr 1067 fps 24 fps 2"
H110 21.5 gr 1131 fps 9.5 fps 1.5"
H110 22.5 gr 1160* 17
H110 23.0 gr 1160* 12
Lil'Gun 20.0 gr 1174* 24
Lil'Gun 21.0 gr** 1226* 23
Lil'Gun 22.0 gr*** 1263* 14
**minor flattening of the primers
*** minor flattening of the primers and slightly sticky extraction

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by Redhawk1: E-mail me and I will send you the pic's of the 575 gr. bullets I loaded for George. He sent me an e-mail with them.

Shall do. E-mail 'em to me and I'll post them up.

Here is my E-mail address. Surfish7(AT)aol.com

Ask and you shall receive! It looks like Redhawk has also done a boatload of load development for the .45 Colt as well!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Ask and you shall receive! It looks like Redhawk has also done a boatload of load development for the .45 Colt as well!

Yea, the wife gets a little ticked that I am either at the range or in the reloading room.
To many guns to reload for, so little time. lol

It's a fulltime job, but somebody has to do it.......

And I'm so very thankful for guys like you doing it. I sometimes makes me feel guilty to blow up a days worth of Redhawks work in an hour, but I try not to let it bother me too much. Redhawk, I promise, on the next animal you get mounted, I'll try not to cross its eyes like the last dozen or so.

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Originally posted by george roof:
And I'm so very thankful for guys like you doing it. I sometimes makes me feel guilty to blow up a days worth of Redhawks work in an hour, but I try not to let it bother me too much. Redhawk, I promise, on the next animal you get mounted, I'll try not to cross its eyes like the last dozen or so.

Your a funny guy, I think I'll kill you last...lol

At least I don't have to load for Murphy or Dan any longer.

OK, enough all of you! Behave.
JWP, I was only referring to a small increase in the revolver velocity. That will give some more penetration without the pressure wave you get ahead of the fast rifle bullet. I understand the difference, we are limited in the velocity department though. Plus shooting game is a little different then the medium used in the tests. I feel the test medium gets compacted ahead of the bullet more as velocity is increased where tissue tends to move out of the way or is cut instead of packing up. I compare it to slipping a sharp knife between the ribs of an animal, takes almost no effort but try to slip a knife into wet phone books and you need a hammer.

OK, back to the .45 Colt and the 335 gr boolit. Redhawk has some good loads.
My most accurate load in the Ruger Vaquero with it and a 347 gr Lyman boolit is the Fed 150 primer, 21.5 gr's of 296 for 1160 fps.
This shoots 3/4" groups at 50 yd's if I do my part. I will see if Whitworth will post a picture.

Okay, back to the business of posting some pictures. Here is a photo of Redhawk's 575 grain .500 Smith with a .460 Smith to its left (is that a 200 grain Hornady bullet?), a 20 gauge (?) to its right. Is that a .38 Special far left?

Here's a photo that bfrshooter sent me of a target he shot with that .45 Colt load at 50 yards with his Ruger Vaquero (with unsteady hands and failing eye sight I might add).

One ended up rather high and a bit to the left

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Originally posted by Friedrich:
One ended up rather high and a bit to the left

Yes, a definite failure on his part!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Okay, back to the business of posting some pictures. Here is a photo of Redhawk's 575 grain .500 Smith with a .460 Smith to its left (is that a 200 grain Hornady bullet?), a 20 gauge (?) to its right. Is that a .38 Special far left?

From Left to right. A 158 gr. 357 Mag, a 200 gr. Hornady 460 Mag, the 575 gr. 500 Mag and a 20 gauge 2 3/4 inch slug.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Here's a photo that bfrshooter sent me of a target he shot with that .45 Colt load at 50 yards with his Ruger Vaquero (with unsteady hands and failing eye sight I might add).

Great shooting there bfrshooter...

And he tells me he was a lot better when he was a younger man........

Man! Those CPB 335 gr WFNGC bullets are HUGE! Look cool too!

For my S&W 625-9, 4" barrel, I figure to run these below listed loads. Am I in the ball park, too low/high?

2400, 19 gr, not sure of a min/max.
H110, 17 gr to 20.5 gr.
Lil'Gun, 17 gr to 18 gr.
H4227, 19 gr to 20 gr.
VN N110, 16 gr, again not sure of a min/max.

Is't W296 pretty much H110. I have a bit but it's old and my H110 is very fresh.

I'vel got CCI 300, CCI 350's and WLP. Figure to start w/ the WLP unless you feel otherwise.

Using the Redding Profile crimp. How tight can you tighten that thing down?

I hope to get 1100 fps. Not sure if it will get there as I have a .007" barrel/cylinder gap.

Be careful with H110 and 296, I think 18 gr's would be my starting point. I don't know about N110 but it is also a slow powder and I would not go too light with a starting load. That is more dangerous then a hot load. Stick to the minimum LISTED starting load.
I started at 19 gr's.
Do NOT overcrimp as it just ruins brass and will not help accuracy or the powder burn. All you want is enough to hold all the other boolits under recoil. Case tension on the boolit is more important. The new RCBS and Hornady .45 dies give good tension. Old RCBS dies had too large of an expander.
It doesn't matter how old the powder is as long as it was stored cool and dry.
I don't know what Hodgden has done with the powders now that they handle both H110 and 296. It is the same powder but Hodgden got a different burn rate then WW did. Some guns liked one and other guns liked the other. I never got the accuracy with H110 out of my Rugers with the exception the regular Redhawk liked H110 better. I only used 296 in my S&W's too. Since you have both, you can compare them.

I just checked the burn rate chart and N110 is faster then H and 296. It is close to 2400 so reduced loads should be OK. Just check the data for it. It might prove a better powder with a short barrel.

By the way, I have shot several 1" groups at 75 yd's with that Vaquero with both boolits while sighting in for deer. I also dropped a deer in it's tracks at 100 yd's, offhand.
I had to lap out the throats to get accuracy.
I shot through a small hole in the trees last season and got a deer at 55 yd's.
The .45 is a great round.

Indeed it is.........

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
By the way, I have shot several 1" groups at 75 yd's with that Vaquero with both boolits while sighting in for deer. I also dropped a deer in it's tracks at 100 yd's, offhand.
I had to lap out the throats to get accuracy.
I shot through a small hole in the trees last season and got a deer at 55 yd's.
The .45 is a great round.

I agree, the 45 Colt is a great round, that's why I own one.

Quote by BFRshooter,

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Do NOT overcrimp as it just ruins brass and will not help accuracy or the powder burn. All you want is enough to hold all the other boolits under recoil. Case tension on the boolit is more important.

Ok, was able to get out today and shoot some of the 335 gr Cast Performance WFNGC bullets using H110, 2400 and Lil'Gun. I'll follow up on a report tomorrow. For now, I'm tring to figure out how to get a tighter grip on the bullet. I mic'd my Redding expander at .449". I've crimped all I dare to with the Redding Profile Crimp die. How can I get a smaller diamter expander? Is there something I can do to it or do I need to deal w/ Redding to possible obtain a smaller diameter expander?

Here is what happens to the 5th bullet after four being fired.

335 gr Cast Performance bullet creep

Also wondering what the bullet creep is doing to my ballistic consistency.

Here is the velocity results of my testing today from my S&W ss 4" M 625-9.

All loads use Starline brass and WLP primers and based on 5 shots.

H110
18 gr = 887 fps = 3.87"
18.5 = 918 fps = 2.37"
19 gr = 934 fps =3.225"
19.5 = 937 fps = 1.47"
20 gr = 940 fps = .910"
20.5 gr = 967 fps = 3.1"
Not what I was hoping for.

Alliant 2400
19 gr = 1101 fps = 2.16" (sticky extractin)

Hodgdon Lil'Gun
17 gr = 1001 fps = 1.95"
17.5 = 1028 fps = 2"
18 gr = 1048 fps = 2.9"
18.5 = 1047 fps = 1.325"
19 gr = 1075 fps = 2.4"
19.5 = 1078 fps = 2.15"
20 gr = 1095 fps 2.94" (all good extraction)

Use the expander plug from a .44 Mag. You can bell the case mouth ehough to seat the bullet, yet retain good neck tension.

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Originally posted by MS Hitman:
Use the expander plug from a .44 Mag. You can bell the case mouth ehough to seat the bullet, yet retain good neck tension.

I have heard that from a lot of reloaders.

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:

I am done here.

Wow, What credibility.............

I can't help myself, am attracted to stupid.

I take it you did not read the article.

Now, I see your attraction for george roof...

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Originally posted by GSSP:
Here is the velocity results of my testing today from my S&W ss 4" M 625-9.

All loads use Starline brass and WLP primers and based on 5 shots.

H110
18 gr = 887 fps
18.5 = 918 fps
19 gr = 934 fps
19.5 = 937 fps
20 gr = 940 fps
Not what I was hoping for.

Alliant 2400
19 gr = 1101 fps (sticky extractin)

Hodgdon Lil'Gun
17 gr = 1001 fps
17.5 = 1028 fps
18 gr = 1048 fps
18.5 = 1047 fps
19 gr = 1075 fps
19.5 = 1078 fps
20 gr = 1095 fps (all good extraction)

What kind of groups are you getting?

I too am curious as to how it groups with these various loads.

Sorry 'bout that. I went and edited the post and added the best 4 of 5 shot group size.

I'll tell you right now, I am by no means a great pistol shot. My, soon to be, 50 year old eyes get a little fuzzy depending upon the light, my contact condition, age and cleanliness.

I'm liking the looks of the Lil'Gun for speed, accuracy and ease of extraction. One or two chambers simply drop the cases right out when I tip the gun muzzle up.

What would your opinion be on trying the H110 and Lil'Gun w/ CCI 350 Mag primers as I believe they are a bit hotter than the WLP or should just leave well enought alone?

Also, if I understood the answers I received, I should just contact Redding and order the 44 Mag expander, part # 99428, and exchange it with my 45 expander; correct?

Here are some pics of the crimped bullets. Sorry for the quality. Not at good as the other day.

Looks postively wicked!

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Originally posted by GSSP:
Sorry 'bout that. I went and edited the post and added the best 4 of 5 shot group size.

I'll tell you right now, I am by no means a great pistol shot. My, soon to be, 50 year old eyes get a little fuzzy depending upon the light, my contact condition, age and cleanliness.

I'm liking the looks of the Lil'Gun for speed, accuracy and ease of extraction. One or two chambers simply drop the cases right out when I tip the gun muzzle up.

What would your opinion be on trying the H110 and Lil'Gun w/ CCI 350 Mag primers as I believe they are a bit hotter than the WLP or should just leave well enought alone?

Also, if I understood the answers I received, I should just contact Redding and order the 44 Mag expander, part # 99428, and exchange it with my 45 expander; correct?

H110 and Lil-gun are both very good, but I don't see the need for the CCI350 Mag primers.