The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Hunting Handgun Hunting dustin linebaughs grizzlyGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
| dustin linebaughs grizzly | Login/Join |
| one of us |
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,99776.0.html feel free to post these pics here as i dont know how. | ||
|
| One of Us |
Awesome! | |||
|
one of us |
Here ya go Lloyd..... Here are some pictures of an Alaskan Grizzly taken by Dustin Linebaugh and what he had to say about it: "Here are a few bear pics, the first 3 are of my bear the last one is of my friend Tom & his bear two days earlier. A total of 3 bears in 3 days it was a good trip. I dispatched my bear with my old tried & true .475 24 grns of H110 with a 425 grn LFN muzzle velocity of 1100fps. The distance was 176 yds standing, the bear had just sat down from standing looking straight at us. The first round centered him in the chest penatrating straight through breaking the spine then exiting. After a round of congrats he started rolling around so I put two more broad side shots on him with my pistol. He measured 8.5 ft nose to tail his weight around 800 lbs best guess. For anyone interested in such an adventure contact www.Hollidayair.com attn Terry Holliday. Feel free to pass this around to your friends that might be interested in seeing them. " Best Regards Dustin Linebaugh     NRA BENEFACTOR MEMBER | |||
|
One of Us |
176 yards with an open sighted wheelgun? DANG!!!! thats some shooting!!! Congrats on the bear! Pro Staff for: In Natures Image Taxidermy | |||
|
| one of us |
the boy can deffinatly shoot! | |||
|
| one of us |
That is amazing. I know I couldn't do it, but that ain't saying a whole lot. Open sighted revolver from 176 yards. And, that looks like a fixed sight revolver, is it? Woof! | |||
|
one of us |
The guy's got to be a hell of shot to land one on that bear from almost two football fields away with a revolver! Jason "Chance favors the prepared mind." | |||
|
One of Us |
Has anyone noticed the size of the bear in relation to the people in the picture? A nice bear and shot none the less........ As for the shot, it can be done,I know a few people that can do it regularly, I just question the feat on a dangerous animal if wounded they can be a handfull. I would consider 100 yards or less to be no problem for an accomplished revolver shooter wtih open sights. I know of kills much farther than this with an opon sighted revolver, but not on dangerous game...... _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
|
| one of us |
I really don't think that bear is 8 ft 800 lbs. More like 6.5 feet 450 lbs, I'd guess. Maybe 458 Win can tell us what his opinion is. My opinion not much danger about shooting a bear nearly 200 yards away. I think most paying clients hunt bears because they are America's top dangerous game animal. I'm with 458 Win (Phil Shoemaker), when he said the big bears should be taken at 100 yards or less. Maye Dustin was wanting to see if he could kill a bear that far with a handgun. If so, he did and it was some amazing shooting. However, wasn't much of a bear hunt and the bear is nowhere near the size he claims, I don't think. The bear looks as long as Dustin is tall, maybe a few inches more. Not 8 feet... | |||
|
| One of Us |
Guess someone had to say it....and I agree. | |||
|
| one of us |
sure thats not 17 yards or 76 yards??? 176 yards with that gun would be a nice trick on paper but at a game animal???? too long Location Western NC,,, via alot of other places, One wife Two kids Three Glocks and a couple cats. | |||
|
| Moderator |
Not being there when Dustin shot the bear, I can not say for sure what the distance was, nor confirm the size of bear. However, Dustin has not given me a reason to doubt his word to date. I also know Jerry Halfrich and I have no reason to doubt his word either. So if Dustin says he shot a bear at 176 yards, I will believe him until someone proves otherwise. I'm not an authority on sizing bears, so I must defer to others more knowledgeable on the subject. I continually see people imposing their limitations on others. If "you" are not comfortable shooting game at these distances; it's best not to. But just because "you" can not or will not, does not mean others have or will accept these limitations. As to whether this is sporting or not, each must make up his own mind on the matter. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I'm happy for the dude, and I'd have shot the bear too. But it ain't 800lbs..... | |||
|
one of us |
I see the doubt has arrived here too.  Well, checking the link at the beginning thread, at least there's one refuge left for the 800lb bear story.  Brian | |||
|
| one of us |
I'm not saying that he didn't shoot the bear at 176 yards,,,,don't care if he shot it at 200, but FOR ME that is just to far with that short of a barrel and open sights with that short of a sight plane. As to 800 pounds,,,maybe 600 I've weighed alot of interior Griz who were taking a drug nap next to a helicopter. Stretch his nose out and stubbie tail out and it may be 8 foot from tip to tip with the humps Location Western NC,,, via alot of other places, One wife Two kids Three Glocks and a couple cats. | |||
|
one of us |
I am NO judge of the size of a bear, BUT 176 yards with a pistol is certainly believable. He is not going to be standing shooting offhand like he was in bullseye competition and if . . . IF . . . one shoots all . . . ALL the time a good shooting pistol and pistolero are up to it. I remember when I got my Browning Buckmark it was moderately accurate but after I shot a 30 caliber ammo can of loose 22s thru it in about 3 months it became pretty dang accurate . . . not bullseye accurate, but certainly hunting accurate. It also appears that the bear is in VERY open terrain and that they felt the had the gun(s) to put it down if anything went awry! Just one more opinion based on a picture and some words attributed to another person , , , and we all know about opinions. Don't limit your challenges . . . Challenge your limits | |||
|
| one of us |
heres another pic of the bear that might put the size of it in better perspective and i can say this to the doubters. If you knew dustin youd have no doubts at all to his claims of range and size as hes about as humble and honest as they come and if youve watched him shoot a sixgun youd have no doubt as to his abiltiys. Look at his gun in this picture and you can surely tell its been shoot more the once!http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=208184;article=206748;title=Frontier%20Sixshooter%20Message%20Board | |||
|
| One of Us |
Lloyd, I have no reason to doubt Mr. Linebaughs integrity or ability. That being said, the latest picture appears to be shot from close in front of the bear, if done with with a normal lense i.e. 50mm, that will distort the picture, making the foreground appear larger, and the background appear smaller. The bears head does appear larger in this photo than in the others. In perspective, the men in the picture appear smaller in relation to the size of the bears head. Does this mean it isn't as advertised? Don't know, wasn't there. But given the latest photo entered into evidence, room for discussion still exists. The simple way to document such a trophy is to lay out a tape measure along side the bear and photograph both. Ya, I know, who carries a tape measure in the field. If he keeps this up, [long shots] he will end up a legend like Elmer Keith, and then will the arguments fly. Elmer Keith. Enough said. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Does not realy matter about the size of the Bear it is still a great trophy that most people do not have. The hair quality looks to be excelent and that is the measure of a great trophy in my opion. This is also another great example of how effective that these big bore revolvers are on large and or dangerous game. These big bore revolvers make a very effective packable back up or primary defensive weapon abainst Grizzley Bears or other large dangerous game and they are proven and not speclitive about thier performance. Congragulations for a very sucesful hunt are inorder......... _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
|
| one of us |
I'm not disparaging Dustin's shooting or his hunt. But that's not an 8 foot bear. That last pic you listed the link to does nothing but shows the bear's head with Dustin and the others sitting well behind the bear. The ear size on that thing tells pretty well that bear isn't 8 feet or 800 lbs. Dustin had a good hunt and apparently made a fantastic shot. But, he should leave it at that. That bear isn't what he says. It might not be his fault, he was probably told that by the guides, but there's not an Alaskan around that is going to agree with him that bear weighs 800 lbs or is an 8 footer. | |||
|
Moderator |
It doesn't matter what size the bear is if the hunter is happy. But when someone claims a bear is much, much larger than the pictures indicate, it puts all the details of the hunt in question. It's a nice bear, but wouldn't qualify as a great trophy. Most hunters after a good representative interior grizzly would pass on a bear that size. Likely what happened is the guide told him what a great trophy it was, how big it was, and he simply forwarded on what he was told and was happy with his hunt. All good and fine. But it's akin to saying how you went to the lumber yard and come back with what the guy at the yard told you was a 12' 4X8. When your buddy comes over he finds you have an 8' 2X4. Not everyone takes an 8+ foot grizzly, in fact most don't. An 8+ foot interior grizzly is a very nice trophy, and that ain't one, not even close. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
|
| One of Us |
_____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
|
one of us |
This is a really dangerous hunt ,congratlations ,i love handgun hunting and i killed some boars and buffalos with my pistols here in Argentina.Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
|
| one of us |
Juan, Shooting bears at nearly 200 yards isn't considered "dangerous". Now if he had been at 50 yards or less, then yes, it would be. At 200 yards, it isn't a dangerous hunt. | |||
|
| one of us |
Yes you are rigth i prefer working at close distance but i hunt mostly with dogs even the buffalos.Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
|
| one of us |
Looks bigger then the 490 lb black I shot this fall but not another 310 lbs worth. Does anybody have the data for the bullet vel and energy at 176 yards. Looks like good penitration for a bullet starting at 1100fps. | |||
|
| One of Us |
At an elevation of sea level the velocity at 175 yards would be approximately 955 fps and 861 foot pounds of energy _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
|
| One of Us |
This was about as dangerous as going out into a cow pasture and shooting a cow. | |||
|
| one of us |
geez some guys are really something! Post a picture of a guys hunt and it has to be picked apart. who gives a rats ass if it was 8 foot or 7 foot 176 yards or 150 yards. Bottom line is he did what probably nobody else here has. I know ive never had the chance to hunt one and couldnt make the shot if i did. It allways amazes me all the experts that come poping out that probably have never even seen one before in person and certainly have never hunted one and probably couldnt have made the shot with anything less then the keyboard of there computer! | |||
|
| Moderator |
We have them come through our yard, so yes I know what bears look like. I haven't hunted them because folks don't eat browns/griz, and I eat what I hunt, and hunt what I plan to eat. Now if someone claimed to have killed a monster whitetail, and showed a picture of a little Texas dink deer, you would be laughing. But since folks don't know the difference between a nice bear, which is what Dustin shot, and a big bear, which is what an 8 1/2 footer is, they don't see problem with inflated claims. I have no doubt as to the ability of a heavy handgun and one who knows how to use it. As John's son, I have no doubt Dustin is an amazing shot. I'm sure it was simply the guide inflating the size of the bear, and the happy hunter relating what he was told. I have no doubt he had an incredible hunt. Being out in open tundra after game is something I wouldn't trade for anything. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
|
one of us |
Not trying to irritate Lloyd any further, but does anyone ever notice that the killing power of these big revolvers goes unquestioned, but if you asked someone if a .50-70 in a Trapdoor Springfield (with better ballistics) was adequate for griz at 176 yards, he would say "Hell no, are you nuts?" There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
|
| one of us |
lots of buffalo were killed by those trapdoors at twice the range and last time i checked about twice the size. To bad those oldtimers didnt know there guns werent capable maybe they would have gave up and left a couple more alive! Ill give you the fact that a big handgun is no more then a factory loaded 4570 but if you have ever used a 45/70 with factory ammo to kill something with youd realize just how effective a 400 grain bullet at 1200 fps is. Id rather face something that wants to bit me with that load at point blank range then a 300 mag of any sort with any load. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Bill/Oregon.... I agree with you 100 %.I have said much the same thing to others and have gotten a blank stare in return. As an example,look at the 475 linebaugh's ballistics.Would anyone in their right mind refer to a trapdoor springfield safe load in 45/70 as a big bear "stopper"? Apparently,the bears are more impressed by handguns. | |||
|
| one of us |
one more thing before i bow out of this post. I dont remember anyone claiming (at least me) that any handgun was a stopping gun for dangerous game. theres a big differnce in a hunting gun and a stopping gun! Many big bears are taken each year with an old 06 but i dont think to many guides will carry one. Someone that will tackle dangerous game with any handgun without a guide backing them up has a screw loose somewhere or a death wish! | |||
|
| one of us |
just one more thing. My buddy did some chronoing of the load dustin used at that range it may surprise you as to how well those big bullets hold up at those ranges. Buddy AL anderson did this after dustin killed the bear with his .475 at 176 yards just to see what kind of velocitys he had at impact. Al is one of the few that could pull off chronoing a handgun at that range. 1. With the .475 even though Dustin and I have the same guns built at the same time 10 years ago mine runs the load he used on the bear almost 100 FPS faster, but my bullets were cast with harder alloy (probably by Lloyd) so they were 5 grains lighter. At any rate with 24 grains H 110 and a 420 LFNGC they started out at 1223 and at 176 yards they were going 1008 for a difference of 215. So at Dustins velocity they would have been going 925 when they hit the bear. When I started out the same bullet over 20 H 110 from a .480 Ruger at 1190 they were going 973 at 176 yards for a difference of 217 FPS. 3. .475 and 400 RCBS Keith Style bullet started out at 1136 and at 176 yards were going 956 so they lost 180 fps. 4. With my 4" .500 Linebaugh built by Dustin and a 440 Keith of MT Baldy design over 28 grains of H 4227 they started out at 1083 and at 176 yards were going 908 for a difference of 175, this gun and bullet were used on a black bear and I will have a short story on Dustins web site about it. 5. Last .500 Linebaugh I checked yesterday was a 480 grain LFNGC over 16 grains of HS6 and started out at 984 and at 176 yards were going 847 for a difference of only 137 so these big bullets may start out slow but don't slow down much. And velocities can vary greatly from gun to gun as I was shooting 5 different .500 linebaughs recently and one would be around 60 fps slower than two others with the same barrel length. Well thats it for now have to get outside and shoot between the heavy snow coming down. Take Care, Al | |||
|
| one of us |
I'm NO WHERE near Dustin's league but can appreciate his skill, great trophy! My last boar hunt is a great example of a guide telling us the pigs were much heavier then they actually were so I don't doubt that happened either! The real story here is what you can really do if you practice like some of the old timers (Keith and McGovern for example) did and that Dustin got a wonderful trophy. | |||
|
Moderator |
Well, no matter how heavy the bear, it's an impressive distance with any handgun and damn fine shooting -- particularly with that short barrel and open sights. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
|
| One of Us |
I'm in awe of the guy who can lob one over the sky screens of a chronograph at 175 yards! I though a .416 Taylor at 200+ yards was a stretch on brown bear. I need young eyes and another 20 years to get ready for handgun hunting in this league! I am tickled the velocity of the 500 Linebaugh holds up that well. My 1300 fps Cast Performance 435 grain WFNGC bullets should be perfectly adequate for moose next fall, if the moose and I do our parts, at 75 yards or less in the open. I have a whole 7/8" more barrel than Dustin Linebaugh on my Redhawk so it should be no problem. | |||
|
| one of us |
I have spent some time with John and Dustin, stayed in their houses and turned my horses out in Dustin's corral. Dustin also got to go on that hunt by wrangling horses for the outfitter for a few months in trade. Go out to Wy. and watch John shoot one of those .475's at long range. 175 yards is a long ways from impossible shooting for a good shooter. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
|
| one of us |
That bear will square real close to eight feet. Look at the size of the pad on the bear in relation to the guy's hand. If you palm is 4" accross, that pad is 7 to 8". 99% of the time a bear will square in feet the inches of the width of his front pad or upwards by as much as a foot. If you shoot a bear w/ a 5" pad, the bear will square between 5 and 6 ft. I've shot a few bears and measured probably 50. I've yet to find the exception, though all the bears I've dealt w/ have been black bears. That bear will be 7 to 8 ft. square. Although weight may be another matter. I know very few guides that actually weigh their animals on a scale. You can bet that out in the middle of the trudra scales are hard to come by. A good guide doesn't necessarily mean a guy can judge animal weights. It takes a lot of animals looked at guessed and then weighed on scale. Yet, I believe any true hunter has experienced ground shrinkage, but also time expansion. It was probably 600 lbs at it laid on the ground, but by the time he got home, posted the pictures, and got around to telling the story, I'm sure it had grown to 800. Wait another 20 years it'll be pushing a 900. | |||
|
| Powered by Social Strata |
 | Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |
|
The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Hunting Handgun Hunting dustin linebaughs grizzly
Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia