Being a 41 user, wonder how much different animals react with 10mm bullets hitting vitals.....

Seems the 175 silvertip is respected in 10mm....

Use a 200 Flat point hard cast bullet at about 1200 FPS and you will be happy with the results.

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Originally posted by jwp475:
Use a 200 Flat point hard cast bullet at about 1200 FPS and you will be happy with the results.

Yup, that should get the job done handily!

Always had an interest in a 10mm in a quality gun, Glocks have great reputation, but they don't fit my hand, so I may look for a Dan W, Smith, or a Colt,,,,,,,coming out soon with Delta Elite's......

Who makes a 200 cast?

Double Tap ammo (www.doubletapammo.com) has a 200 grain FMJ flat-point for about $30.00 for 50 rounds and a 200 grain WFN as well as a 230 grain WFN -- I believe they cost about $35.00 for a box of 50. All of the ammo I have used from Double Tap has worked very well for me.

Thanks, heard good things about that ammo. Any feedback re: choice in guns?

Thanks. OH, seems one of the handgun editors got some great accuracy with Kimber 10mm in a recent article.....target model......thoughts? Seem hit/miss w/rifles mfg by Kimber, what about the pistols anyone?

I'm a fan of the Glock 20, but I think the Colt Delta Elite is a sexy beast -- but I just like 1911s!

jwp, where can one get hard cast 200 grain flat points for the 10mm? In have been using jacketed so far.
Thanks, Peter.

Peter -- see my above post.

Here is one source;

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm

Oops, I thought you wanted ammo infor, Peter. Cast Performance bullet company may have them as well -- www.castperformance.com

For deer, maybe OK but it seems kind of backwards to recommend such a light boolit for hogs. I would not put faith in a 200 gr boolit when penetration is needed.
Other posts that say the .41 has a dismal boolit selection from factory ammo along with suggestions to buy or load heavier boolits is dumped here to say a light boolit will always work.
Has the .40 suddenly become more potent then the .41 or .44?
I just don't understand the turn around here.
Why does anyone choose a toy to hunt with?

There aren't many heavy bullet options for the 10mm, bfrshooter. Double Tap produces a load that uses a 230 grain WFN and it runs about 1,100 fps. They don't have a lot of case capacity.........

Thanks gentlemen! Whitworth, I missed your ost completely, but I was looking for just the cast bullets (or "boolits" as some say) as I reload.
Peter.

Peter,
Montana Bullet works has some great bullets at very good prices, better then most others. I use his and Range Ricks hard cast bullets only.

I will not use beartooth bullets for personal reason, Cast performance is OK also, but a little higher price over Montana Bullet works.

http://www.montanabulletworks.com/default.php

Go to Pistol bullets and go down to 10 MM bullets, there is a big list he carries, from 150 gr. to 200 gr.

True Whitworth, the .40 is a people shooter, a self defense gun, not a big game hunting gun.
It is true you can kill most anything with most any gun but where is the line drawn?
It amazes me that some advocate large diameter, heavy boolits for hunting, then condone a little semi auto as being as good.
So what if the light boolit is going fast! It is a piss poor hunting choice.
The same guys that look down their nose at a 30-30 for deer and have to use a .300 mag, say a little pisol is enough for even tougher game.
Why is everyone here getting 50-110 revolvers and .500's if the tiny 10mm is all you need?
We all know velocity and energy does not kill faster then a big, heavy, slower boolit so why the turn around?
The .40 is not much better then the .357 and makes smaller holes then the .45 ACP.
Soon some will say the .38 S&W is big enough for moose.
Sorry guys, go back and read your own postings!

Like the .357, the 10mm could be used in certain limited situations. But, a .40 caliber hole is better than a .357 caliber hole, and if loaded heavily (230 grainer -- like those used in .41 magnums), I don't see why it couldn't be used in a pinch. Whould I hunt with one as my primary hunting tool? Nope, but I wouldn't mind having one strapped to my side nonetheless.

The .41 can be loaded with 255 and 265 gr boolits, that is where it starts to come into the effective range for large or tough game. But what size boolit will fit a little auto loader? The case is so small and boolits can get so long they need to use all of the powder space. Remember that with the smaller diameter, heavy boolits get VERY long. Pressure rises without a velocity increase. Just what weight boolit will feed or even fit the magazine? I don't get overjoyed thinking I could use heavy boolits in a little man stopper.
The caliber is great for what it was designed for. It was not made to hunt with.
If the only handgun I could buy for hunting was a .357 or 10mm, I would go back to a rifle or shotgun. This forum would not even exist!

BFRshooter I agree, my post was where to get bullets. Myself, I would not use a 10mm as my hunting handgun. There are far better choices out there.
Now if you want to use a semi-auto handgun got hunting, get a Magnum Research Desart Eagle in 44 Mag or 50 AE or even a LAR Grizzey in 45 Win Mag.

And you know Energy kills....

Thanks Redhawk1 I will try them.
Peter.

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
The .41 can be loaded with 255 and 265 gr boolits, that is where it starts to come into the effective range for large or tough game. But what size boolit will fit a little auto loader? The case is so small and boolits can get so long they need to use all of the powder space. Remember that with the smaller diameter, heavy boolits get VERY long. Pressure rises without a velocity increase. Just what weight boolit will feed or even fit the magazine? I don't get overjoyed thinking I could use heavy boolits in a little man stopper.
The caliber is great for what it was designed for. It was not made to hunt with.
If the only handgun I could buy for hunting was a .357 or 10mm, I would go back to a rifle or shotgun. This forum would not even exist!

Dang, didn't I basically say the same thing? It's a good gun for finishing shots or for predators of the two-legged variety.......

I find the Glock 20 a good companion gun when hunting with a rifle. Load the mag with 6-8 rounds and it is a good "light" carry gun.

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Originally posted by CLK320:
I find the Glock 20 a good companion gun when hunting with a rifle. Load the mag with 6-8 rounds and it is a good "light" carry gun.

Exactly!

I had a Colt Delta Elite about 20 years ago the first time they came out. I was not impressed at all. Don't think I would buy one of the new ones.

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Originally posted by Jacobite:
I had a Colt Delta Elite about 20 years ago the first time they came out. I was not impressed at all. Don't think I would buy one of the new ones.

Out of the box I understand that they are lacking a bit, but a good gunsmith can reform them. I'm just really fond of the 1911 platform........

Redhawk, I guess I should stop say things about energy not killing because it is not exactly what I mean.
Energy is important but the way I mean to say it is that it is more important how and with what boolit it is applied and transmitted to the animal.
In other words when someone quotes figures for a load with a poor choice of bullet/boolit and caliber the energy alone will not cure the poor choice. The proper choice will kill better even with less energy then the bad choice.
It is book figures that I don't agree with as an indicator of lethality.

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Redhawk, I guess I should stop say things about energy not killing because it is not exactly what I mean.
Energy is important but the way I mean to say it is that it is more important how and with what boolit it is applied and transmitted to the animal.
In other words when someone quotes figures for a load with a poor choice of bullet/boolit and caliber the energy alone will not cure the poor choice. The proper choice will kill better even with less energy then the bad choice.
It is book figures that I don't agree with as an indicator of lethality.

Got to keep you on your toes there BFRshooter...

The 41 mag with the Remington 210 grain jacketed flat point is a good penetrator and will definately work on Deer and Hogs. A 200 grain hard cast flat point is not a light wieght in 10mm. In my test there was very little difference in the penetration of the 230 grain and the 265 grain.
A 210 Remington jacketed flat soft point will out penetrate 240 grainers in the 44 mag from my expereince and that of Jack Huntington. There are no flys on the 41 Mag for deer and hogs IMHO.

I wanna know how you find your 10mm brass after you have shot the hog!
Peter

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Originally posted by Peter:
I wanna know how you find your 10mm brass after you have shot the hog!
Peter

Tha is the 64,000 dollar question.

JWP, no argument at all about the .41! It is the 10 mm semi auto pistol that I would not use except like Whitworth says, for a finisher, not the primary hunting gun. Even a .22 is good for that.

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Originally posted by Peter:
I wanna know how you find your 10mm brass after you have shot the hog!
Peter

Order more brass and don't worry about it. We reloaders are a pain in our own asses..lol

I had to break myself of looking for my 45 Win Mag brass in the woods. If you are that concerned about brass, get a revolver.

With an auto you need to come to terms with the fact that you will lose your brass in the field -- or just get a revolver like Redhawk said!

ive used one on pigs and deer and it kills them as well as a 41. I use a cast 200 or 220 flat point cast out of a 610 smith.

Lloyd, you are comparing a revolver to a semi auto that won't feed everything that would be good for hunting. Plus it is stronger then an auto.
It is the platform I was talking about.
Of course I have had .357 revolvers here that won't take proper hunting boolits either because they have to be seated so deep you wind up with a hot .38 special. When boolits need to be so deep, there is no use for the longer magnum case. Granted that .357 cylinders are stronger and can take more pressure.
I have a Marlin .44 that won't feed certain boolits unless I cut the brass down. In effect, I am shooting .44 specials, hot one's but none the less, the brass length is wasted and pressures are raised.
Many guns today are chambered for larger and larger calibers without changing the platform to make use of the longer brass and larger boolits, just stuff boolits in deeper and deeper. Counter productive in my opinion.
This is where the auto fails because of the limitations.
But then guys want 50-110's with 2-1/2" barrels! Maybe fill the whole case with 5744! The front is like the rear end of a rocket launcher. Have to use Dardick bullets along with powder to get velocity.

OOP's, Dardick made trounds. Gyrojet bullets are what I mean't!

I would assume that one would make sure the load they carry feeds -- and if you don't and you have an emergency where you have to call your sidearm into play, well, this is where Darwin's theory of evolution is applicable........

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
I would assume that one would make sure the load they carry feeds -- and if you don't and you have an emergency where you have to call your sidearm into play, well, this is where Darwin's theory of evolution is applicable........

NO question as to adequacy of power with heavy 41/44/45's but my question was more for a 'carry gun' on shots of opportunity, not likely to use as primary arm, but would not hesitate to shoot most any deer under 50 yds, hogs....depends on size of animal, and bullet used.....not silvertip on hog-perhaps a lung shot.....doubt it would survive do you? Would not want to try stopping a hog unless needed but I have not been charged yet where I hunt, and usually am in a stand of some sort for deer....main game hunted here....thanks.....

Anyone know of a used FA 97 in 41 or 44 sp PM me thanks.

your very correct that a revolver makes a big differnc and make it into a better round for hunting but my partner at work has a 10mm glock and weve worked up loads for it at my house that i would feel very confindent hunting a deer black bear or pig with. A 220 grain hardcast 10mm bullet at 1000 fps penetrates very well. Deer black bear and pigs arent as bullet proof as a guy thinks. Pigs are the toughest and ive seen bullet failures on them. As a matter of fact the worse one i saw was a guy with a 41 mag shooting 170 grain hollow point jacketed bullets. 3 shots at it and none penetrated. It was put down with one shot out of a 41 special shooting a hard cast 22o at a 1000 fps. that bullet went in the front shoulder and came out the hind quarter. I think the 10mm is a very capable hunting gun but a guy has to chose his bullet and load carefully. I would take it over a 357 with any load anyday. I detest the 357 msg and would never hunt with one but a guy has to keep in mind in this day of the handcannons that when the 357 first came out it was considered a cannon itself and back then guys killed about every game animal in the world with them. Im a big bore fan myself as most know but will be the first one to state that for most hunting situations there not nessicary. Shot placement is the most important aspect of handgun hunting and next would be bullet choise. About 90 percent of handgun hunters dont take the time to learn how to properly handle the recoil of even a 44 mag and a well placed shot from a 10mm will kill much better then a pourly placed 500 linebaugh. Put a bullet in the heart or lungs of a deer or pig and there dead. Simple as that and in the hunting and pentration testing weve done ive seen what a 10 can do and id feel confident carrying one in the field

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Lloyd, you are comparing a revolver to a semi auto that won't feed everything that would be good for hunting. Plus it is stronger then an auto.
It is the platform I was talking about.
Of course I have had .357 revolvers here that won't take proper hunting boolits either because they have to be seated so deep you wind up with a hot .38 special. When boolits need to be so deep, there is no use for the longer magnum case. Granted that .357 cylinders are stronger and can take more pressure.
I have a Marlin .44 that won't feed certain boolits unless I cut the brass down. In effect, I am shooting .44 specials, hot one's but none the less, the brass length is wasted and pressures are raised.
Many guns today are chambered for larger and larger calibers without changing the platform to make use of the longer brass and larger boolits, just stuff boolits in deeper and deeper. Counter productive in my opinion.
This is where the auto fails because of the limitations.
But then guys want 50-110's with 2-1/2" barrels! Maybe fill the whole case with 5744! The front is like the rear end of a rocket launcher. Have to use Dardick bullets along with powder to get velocity.