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The reason lighter bullets that are going faster strike lower on the target given the same sight setting is that they are in the bbl a less amount of time and the muzzle has recoiled up less. In a revolver a long slow heavy bullet is going to be in the bbl longer and the muzzle will have moved laterally more because of torgue before the bullet exits the bbl and therfore windage adjustments are going to be affected also. Before a conclusion can be made or anybody can "know" something is wrong, more facts are required. Like shooting the gun with whole spectrum of bullet weights. If the the shooter isn't willing to do that, then they deserve the performance they get and to be disppointed through their own ignorance. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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MIKEDETTORRE: I am sure you are virtual knowledge bank on firearms etc. but when I HAVE SHOT Lighties and Heavies in revolvers, have used revolvers from age 17 to now nearly 56, Have adjusted sights many times both telescopic crosshair types, red dot types, Iron Sights, have owned fixed sighted handguns both semi auto and revolver and still own 3 fix sighted guns I know that THIS RUGER revolver has a problem. I don't need to run the whole gamut of bullet weights through it to know that. I have bullet molds for the 44 mag from 250 Keith to a 335 gr LBT LFN-GC DC bullet and also the 320 JDJ mold that I got from JD shortly after he started the JDJ line of bullet, have shot the Siera 180 gr Jacketed plus the Hornady 180 Grainer and I am here to tell you one thing you can take to the bank and that is I have never seen a bullet weight that required as much right windage adjustment to get this revolver on at 50 as this one both from a rest and offhand. I also have been reloading since 18 years of age when my mother bought me the outfit. At that time IMR 4350 was less that 4 bucks a pound and Hodgdons surplus 4831 was 1 3/4 bucks a pound. Have loaded for many RIFLE and HANDGUN cartridges and am still loading and casting bullets. Hopes this helps clear up this thread. The clown avitar does not mean I don't know anything it just means I am the clown to the forum. | |||
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I believe Meplats original post made it clear that while he wasn't going to bash Rugers his support for them was going to be "tempered" somewhat. I'm in the same boat....After 40 years of buying Rugers I got stung on two in a row that should have never left the factory. One was a #1 .375 H&H that shot shotgun patterns at 100 yds with nearly every load I tried. I had an Interarms Alaskan that would group 1" with the same loads. Next came a .41 Bisley Hunter that looked like a botched high school machine shop project and shot like it. "Within our specs" they told me. Just as I was about to swear to never buy another Ruger along came a little clearance sale .41 BH 4 5/8".....Easily worth twice what I paid for it IMO. Bottom line for me is not to buy one sight unseen. The .45 Accusport Bisley catches my eye but with my luck I'd get one with wrong throat dia. or barrel constriction at the threads or something. | |||
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Me_Plat: I have learned many things about guns they are: 1) I never stop learning 2) They are all different even within the same model 3) Test all your options and assume nothing 4) 90% of the time the problem is shooter induced 5) 9% it is an issue of several marginal issues adding up to create an issue that is not perfect but solvable 5) 1% of the time it is bad gun The above is based on 10 years as a firearms instructor for the Alameda County Sheriff's Department You are convinced you have been "burned". Yet, you have not given Ruger the opportunity to correct the problem and you seem to be unwilling to validate your issue with facts. Do us all a favor... Shoot a group of moderate factory loads with 240 grain bullets at 25 yds and see where the sights need to be adjusted to. Because that is what Ruger is likely to do... Then if you are right you can rub all our noses in it Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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MIKEDETTORRE: I shot the gun with a known handload both offhand and off the bench. The load consisted of the 250 Keith bullet 21/2400 Fed 150 primer. That load printed in a more than a small enough group for my less than 20/20 vision. The trouble is it took .065 Inch right windage to get it in the center of the bull. Your credentials as a law enfocement instructor means very little if based on what I have seen cops do on the range. The reason Ruger has not corrected it yet the gun will not go out until Wednesday or Thursday of this week. Now if you know of some magic load that will not need so much windage I will try it and will let you know. If you don't know of one then let me know what you think the problem is. Is it me? NO it is not me. The other 44 mags I have only requires 2 or 3 cliks windage to get them correct using that load. My 45 Colt Blackhawks both a 4 5/8's and a 5 1/2" and my SW 45 Colt MG and S&W MG 44 mag doesn't neither does my 5 1/2 inch Redhawk nor my other revolvers either. I guess I have just forgot how to shoot when I pick up this gun. Yeah right. Let me know if you have a solution to my problem that is legit instad of speculation. | |||
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Me_Plat, All my solutions are speculation. By the way, every solution to every problem is specualtion until its tried and tested to see if it solves the problem. But understanding that requires basic logic and an understanding of a scientific approach. Your problem is not solvable by anyone on this forum. Congratulations by the way, you are only the 3rd person to make my Ignore List. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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