Got a 50th anniversary 44 Mag and had to run the rear sight waaaaaay over to the right to get it right windage wise plus the sight is sloppy.
Not very happy really.

Rehawk? Super Blackhawk? Were you using heavy for caliber bullets when you determined that the rear sight needed to be cranked to the right? Details, man, details!

It is the 50 anniversay 44 Mag. A Blackhawk Flattop.
Bullet weight does not matter in this situation as the sight had to be run too far over regardless of the bullet weight just to get it sighted in windage. Even though it was a 250 Keith.
Too far is too far. It is beyond hope as I see it.

Move the front sight in the opposite direction of the rear and that will bring the rear closer to center. With heavy for caliber bullets the problem that you describe is not uncommon. If the gun is out of spec Ruger will surely take care of the problem

JWP,
How does bullet weight affect impact left or right? I understand how wind will affect a bullet, and I understand long range shooting. I understand how bullet weight can aid in buffering the wind at long distances. So no need to go into that.
I know bullet weight works on elevation (up/down) but not in windage Left to right, when we are talking handguns and handgun range.

Me_Plat, what was the distance you were shooting? Does the front sight look centered on the barrel?
Have someone else shoot your gun and see how they do.

The effects of the torque on shooting to the side can be very pronounceed with heavy long bearing surface bullets. Case in point the old JDJ 327 grain Truncated cone bullet that I used in my 44 Mag Redhawk back in the 80 required the rear sight to be moved to the right untill it over hung out side the frame, yet the sight was centerd when sighted in for 240 grain 44 bullets, The LBT stly bullets with more wieght in the nose and by design much shorter bearing surface practicly eleminate the effects to a great degree.

I don't really know what distance has to do with it cause Irregardless when one has to move the rear over .060" on an 8 1/2 inch sight radius it is too much.
I shoot my other single actions and double actions and singleshots more than well enough to need to let someone else shoot it.
Not trying to be smart or cute but just telling the facts,
I was a vehemently vocal suporter of Ruger but to let a montrosity like this out is crazy. I would have understood a broken part actually because hidden flaws can happen.
This is not hidden but since they don't want to shoot at least a cylinderful before shipping I guess it could be called hidden.
I will be less positive now but still a good supporter of them since it will go back and it will be made right to my satisfaction. This will be done or they will have bought themselves a slighty used 50th anniversary 44 mag.

Definitely sounds like the barrel was not turned in to make the front sight straight, or "Ethel" get a bit aggressive on milling out the rear sight slot and it is off center.

Me_Plat, just for scientific purposes; check your front sight and see if it is leaning and measure the rear sight slot as best you can to see if it may be off center. I'd appreciate hearing what you find out on this.

I did put a level on the top flat part of the frame and looked at the front sight the barrel does look like it wasn't turned in enough. I did measure the center of the notch in relationship with the center of the frame and near as I can tell it is between .060 to.065 inch to the right to get it sighted in.
On my blackhawk 45 colt i had to go maybe 2 click right to get it on center at 50 and my S&W Mountain guns in 44 mag ang 45 Colt is so close to center it is for all purposes center.

Send it back.End of story!!!

Yes indeed, loads and different boolits can cause right and left POI's also. Working loads for fixed sight revolvers can bring the POI to center.
However this does not sound like the problem here. It sounds to me like the gun should go back to Ruger, something is wrong.
I once bought a new Mark II that shot into the ground right in front of me. No flaw could be found, the barrel was straight, bored center, mounted straight, crown perfect, etc. No rhyme or reason for it shooting almost straight down. It acted like the barrel was bending down when shot. I sent it back and Ruger sent me a new gun.
I have seen many Dan Wesson guns where the barrels were screwed in so crooked that a 6" rear sight extension would be needed. I could drill and thread straighter by hand!
Sometimes the steel in the barrel will be flawed and the barrel will whip sideways.

Working up loads with 277 grain bullets in my Model 29 forced me to crank my rear sight all the way to the right and this is pretty common. But it sounds like you have other problems with your Ruger.

Just my opinion only but if you had to run your rear sight all the way to the right on a Smith regardless of the bullet weight something was gravely wrong somewhere. I have been shooting 270 gr Keiths lately in a 4 inch MG and never moved the sight from where it was with the 250 Keiths and the windage was the same at 50 and 200. I sometimes will try the loads at 200 as windage shows up quickly at that distance and from the rifle range the sights are shaded by the covered firing line so no sunlight problems to contend with.
I have never had a windage problem with a Smith and never on a Ruger until now .

Me_Plat, I understand where you are coming from, my suggestion for someone else shooting your gun, was just to confirm it being off, not implying you cannot shoot well. Also I would send the gun back to Ruger, I suspect like I posted above, your front sight may be off center.

JWP
As for the bullet weight, I can shoot 275 gr. bullets to 700 gr. bullets in my S&W 500 Mag, and the only thing that changes in my vertical impact. If I have any left to right adjustment that need to be made, it did not take much movement of the rear sight to get the impact moved, and not to the extreme, other have said they had to move the rear sight.

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
JWP
As for the bullet weight, I can shoot 275 gr. bullets to 700 gr. bullets in my S&W 500 Mag, and the only thing that changes in my vertical impact. If I have any left to right adjustment that need to be made, it did not take much movement of the rear sight to get the impact moved, and not to the extreme, other have said they had to move the rear sight.

Lucky you..

I was wondering more about the fit in the frame than the notch in the sight. I'm in agreement with the rest though; send it back.

Redhawk,

Shifting POI, both windage and elevation, is a problem in fixed sight handguns when changing bullet weights. Some calibers and individual firearms more so than others, but it does exist. At least for the likes of myself and John Taffin.

I can assure you there is nothing "gravely" wrong with my M29. POI certainly shifts with bullet weight. I personally would send it back to Ruger........

Problems requiring extraordinary windage correction are more common than they should be on Rugers. More common than of many / most other guns. Call them for an authorization to return it. Try to get a cost free call number for UPS pick up. Send it back with a letter and target.

WHITWORTH: As I said it was just my opinion that I am entitled to. Just because the M29 may group well doesn't meant that everthing is A-OK. I just recently shot some 315 gr Keiths in both my MG Smith and a Ruger Redhawk and the point of impact windage wise from the 250 Keiths they were sighted with was only a couple clicks off at 50. This in two different guns.
As I said just my opinion so no need to defend your position since my opinion only means something to me and no one else just as your opinion is to you.

A while back when sighting my Vaquaro for deer at 75 yd's, I lucked out with two 1" groups. I was testing two different boolits and one group hit left of the bull and the other hit right of the bull.
I have had many guys come here with carry guns with fixed sights where their factory loads shot over 6" left at 10 yd's. Working loads and boolits would bring the POI to center.
I don't know how anyone can say changing loads and boolits will only change elevation.
If that was true, sights and scopes would not need windage adjustments.
But keeping shots on the barn door from inside might not show a difference!

BFRSHOOTER: I don't know who you were adressing the barn door thing to but let me assure you while no one can shoot as good as you since you are no doubt the best handgun shooter that probably has ever lived before, now or will more than likely live in the near or very distant future there are others that hit the barn door from outside the barn. Now I may have trouble hitting that barn door at 10 or 15 yards while propped up against the ole Farmall Super H and for sure can't keep them in 3 inches offhand at one hundred yards while occasionally hitting a pop can too at a hundred I'll have you know I have sloppy pooled a couple shots on a outhouse door all the way out to 35 yards.
Wait maybe I can't shoot well enough to know whether that Ruger is off or not. I didn't realize that till now.
I'll think I'll just keep it as is and hope for the best.
Maybe the next time I shoot I can luck up and hit something at 10 or 15 yards if I don't flinch, jerk the trigger, close my eyes, and use a rest.
Oh, I do carry a rabbits foot too while shooting and it has helped me to hit the ground evey time even though there are those that don't believe in superstition I wouldn't be without one along with my trusty sixshooter.

BFRSHOOTER: I forgot to add this I have found I have more trouble hitting that barn door if it is propped up angainst an old Minneapolis-Moline than a Farmall. If is is propped up against an 8N Ford or an Avery rake forget it the angle just isn't right for me.

BFRSHOOTER: I forgot to ask should I wear boxers, tighty whitees, or no underwaer at all when shooting as I have trouble squenching up my butt as I shoot and it is hard to keep my underwear from getting wadded up.
I bet Elmer Keith could have taken some pointers from you in his handgun shooting maybe he could have been been phenominal since he did seem to have some potential.

You kow it just occured to me that I have been living in the dark since I thought Elmer Keith passed away.
Really he didn't.
He is now living in West Virginia under a new name with the handle of BFRSHOOTER. What it was Elmer Keith was a pen name used by BFRSHOOTER while he wrote for the the various magazines and lastly Guns and Ammo.
I'll have to commend you that you are still shooting at 109 years of age.
Did you actually live in Idaho and retire to WV or did you live there all along?

bfrshooter, nobody questioned your ability to shoot, so why make a such comment toward anyone else????

When there is left to right movement when bullets of different weight's are shot, most of the time the adjustment needed to bring it back to center in not much. As Me_Plat posted, he is maxed out to one side, I don't think it is a bullet problem, but more of a sight being off.

I don't see a bullet weighting 255 gr. and one weighing 277 gr. being that far off to throw a bullet so for off to one side to have to max out your sight to get it back to center.

Yes I see very small changes when different bullets are use, as I posted above.

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As for the bullet weight, I can shoot 275 gr. bullets to 700 gr. bullets in my S&W 500 Mag, and the only thing that changes in my vertical impact. If I have any left to right adjustment that needs to be made, it did not take much movement of the rear sight to get the impact moved, and not to the extreme, other have said they had to move the rear sight.

Me_Plat,

You asked your question, got some responses, argued about those who responded. Can the underwear talk.

Didn't you see the little guy rolling around? I was joking!
Some of you have cast iron undies.

Me-plat -- why in God's name are you so hostile? If you don't want others' opinions than why do you ask on a website? You don't have to launch a personal assault just because you didn't like the answer. You don't play well with other kids, now, do you........

I have had only a couple of guns that would shoot same POI with different loads. You don't work up a load and sight your weapon in and expect it to shoot point of aim with other loads, do you Redhawk? Why is this even being debated.

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Got a 50th anniversary 44 Mag and had to run the rear sight waaaaaay over to the right to get it right windage wise plus the sight is sloppy.
Not very happy really.

BFRSHOOTER: I did not ask for advice. On something that I know is wrong I don't need advice I was just making a statement only.
Asking advice I would have phrased the question as Such
"Got a 50th anniversary 44 Mag and had to run the rear sight waaaaaay over to the right to get it right windage wise plus the sight is sloppy.
Not very happy really. Do you guys think it is me, the ammo, or maybe the gun assuming I can at least group well enough to tell that they are grouping well to the left.

I am not hostile really but every time someone mentions anything on here about a gun and/or load it seems you question their shooting ability.
Sure I can't shoot as good as you or Whitworth etc.. But I can shoot well enough to tell when something is wrong.
The only one that asked a legitimate question was MS HITMAN and I answered it. Then he lets you and the other chronies run everthing into the ground on other subjects, get hostile with each other etc and then attackes me on the on the undewear thing.
He's a prize really too.
I understand how you can assume that it may be the shooter as not may people can shoot as well as the near supernatural shooters that one hears about in lore but it isn't always the case.
One doesn't have to hold 1 inch groups off a rest at 100 or be able to hold 3 inch groups offhand at 100 consistantly to be able to do things with a revolver.
Heck I bet MS HITMAN can't do that. I'll say he doesn't know anyone else that can except you.
What about it there Little Buddy Rob?

I guess asking load information wasn't legitimate. It didn't take long for this thread to turn ugly.

WHITWORTH

Yeah just like every other thread you , BFRSHOOTER, JWP and GEORGE ROOF is involved in.
Why should this one be any different?
Your load question was legit no one said anything about it.
I've got molds for 250 to 335 gr in 44 mag and have shot the bullets from all of them and windage wasn't affected much. Some not much. Nothing that 2 or 3 clicks on the windage screw wouldn't take care of. Now if one is loading extremes in velocites say 850 with a 250 and 1200 with a 320 then yes it can be pronounced.
I realize it myself.

Perhaps Ruger intended the 50th anniversary 44 Mag Blackhawk Flattop only as a wall hanger, meant for investment not usage. I wouldn't put it past them. I also wouldn't be stunned if Ruger said the sights were within their tolerances and returned it unaltered. They do that all the time...the cheap pricks.

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Originally posted by Me_Plat:
WHITWORTH

Yeah just like every other thread you , BFRSHOOTER, JWP and GEORGE ROOF is involved in.
Why should this one be any different?
Your load question was legit no one said anything about it.
I've got molds for 250 to 335 gr in 44 mag and have shot the bullets from all of them and windage wasn't affected much. Some not much. Nothing that 2 or 3 clicks on the windage screw wouldn't take care of. Now if one is loading extremes in velocites say 850 with a 250 and 1200 with a 320 then yes it can be pronounced.
I realize it myself.

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I did not ask for advice

If you didn't want anyone commenting on your thread why in the hell did you open a thread in the first place.

This isn't a blog where you do all the posting.

Grow a thicker skin.

I see most of the posts here as members trying to help you. Your jumping down there throats is not conducive to friendship here.

Don

ONEFUNZR2: I hope you are wrong since it will propably go out Friday.
I use to be a staunch supporter of them and will still support then in the future but my fervered temperature for them will be cooled somewhat.

DRG
I wasn't talking to you.
No one jumped down anyones throat.
BFRSHOOTER always implies smeone can't shoot well enough to know squat.
I made a statement not a blog.
A blog is not a statement in my book. Although it possible could be.
Look at the mess others have created on here without my help and you will see I am just a minnow in a pond of barracuda.
If you do I think you will see me in another light.

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:
Perhaps Ruger intended the 50th anniversary 44 Mag Blackhawk Flattop only as a wall hanger, meant for investment not usage. I wouldn't put it past them. I also wouldn't be stunned if Ruger said the sights were within their tolerances and returned it unaltered. They do that all the time...the cheap pricks.

Got no problems with mine!!!!!!

Me-plat, if you go back and read, if it is possible, you will see I said there was something wrong with your gun and to send it back.
Then when I get light and poke fun you go off the deep end. It only shows you were looking for an excuse and not reading what anyone has said.
This looks like bait and switch to me.
Just don't expect me to get serious and stop poking you in the ribs! You are WIIIIIDE OPEN!

Well Skipper,

DRG was talking to you. Don't be surprised at the reception you get when you come on this forum being argumentative and stirring the pot.

I'm sure the S.S. Minnow is ready when you are.

What would you expect from a person with a clown as an avatar.

WOODROW: If you will look at some of the other threads on here there are other posters that could use the same avitar.