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I see their new book has 225 grn bullet running at 2900 fps out of a 24-inch barrel using 70 grn of CFE 223. Is that possible? Makes me wonder if there is a typo? | ||
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I would say it's a glaring error, rather than a typo. Old Corps Semper Fi FJB | |||
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call them and ask -- or email I don't have the book, but is that 200fps faster than everything else that uses cfe223? or with that bullet? i DO know that "factory" loads a way under powered, and are at like 46k CUP not psi opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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70grs of CFE223 fills the Whelen brass I have to the very top of the case, if that tells you anything. As jeffeosso suggests, contact them. Old Corps Semper Fi FJB | |||
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I will give them a call Monday, could be bad for some rookie! Now I'm wondering what else is off the charts. | |||
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Let us know their reply. Old Corps Semper Fi FJB | |||
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Start low and work up, you'll find out. AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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Rhe Nosler # 9 manual lists a couple loads with their 225 gr bullet getting 2800 fps. So another 100 fps may be possible . some brands of brass have more capacity than others but 70 grs soumds like it would be compressed. Look on line for CFE 223 powder in 35 Whelan and you will find several articles claiming they are using Seventy grs of CFE223 under a 225 gr bullet for around 2900 fps. So maybe there is no problem with the data.. As already mentioned start low and work up | |||
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Hodgdon shows 2 loads for the 225 in the Whelen, neither one using CFE 223. Old Corps Semper Fi FJB | |||
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Just for the record, I wasn't looking for a load. I was just skipping around through the books comparing 358 norma to 35 whelen velocities. When I saw the 2900 fps it grabbed my attention. | |||
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So, I called Sierra and they did say that this load was ok with Nosler brass. I put 70 grns in a rem case and it is almost to the top. Lot of compression will be needed! will go ahead and try (working up a load from start of 63 grn) just to see how it goes  My go to load for my whelen has been 60 grn of varget under 225 Nosler accubond, running in the mid 2700s. Not sure I need any more but I have powder and bullets just sitting on the shelf  | |||
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I would be skeptical of their answer. I have found two previous errors on two separate occasions in published loading data (not with Sierra) and when I called them about it the Tech said "no problem, the data is correct" even after pointing out the inconsistencies in their own data for charge weights. Through a little socials engineering, I got the head ballistician's email addy and detailed my concerns with logic and analysis. The data disappeared from their website within 3 hours. By way of comparison and I am not suggesting this is a perfect comparison; Hodgdon's load data for the 338-06 and 200 grn bullet (comparable SD to 358 225) with CFE-223 is a max load of 58.8 grains. That is an increase of 19%. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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70 grs worked in my whelen, after reading these posts, but I didnt test for accuracy as all my hunting loads are done, primers were flat, and bolt not sticky, only fired two to confirm..I like 68 grs I think..I like the 225 Sierra in the 35s and 250s in the 375. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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i also really like sierra 225 gamekings in 35s opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I have a custom 35 Whelen on a 03 Springfield action. I send pictures of it to some experts on another forum and the one said it sure had a lot of features of an A. O. Niedner build. There's no markings on it anywhere except for 35 Whelen on the barrel and of course the date and serial number of the Springfield action. The rifle gunsmithing appears old school and definite looks like it was made in the 1920's to 1930's or so. Here's the thing what worried me. It'a 1911 Springfield action. I privated messaged dcpd about it, can't remember if I send him pics, but he said that if it was a bad springfield action it wouldn't still be around today. I believe he is correct. I've been shooting cast out of it, but Speer had a sale on 250 grains 35 caliber bullets. So I picked a middle of the road load with IMR 4064 and test fired it USING A STRING AND TIRE!!! Well it was fine. Since then I've shot some of those 250 grain bullets from it and being it has a checkered steel buttplate is sure give you quite a punch. Jeff mentioned those Sierra 225 grain bullets and I haven't been able to find any, but haven't looked recently. I think they would be perfect. Oh for the sights the rifle came with an old 57 Lyman receiver sight. It's pretty acccurate with cast, damn near 1/2 inch at 100 yards if my old bad eyes do the job. It's not a real light rifle and the barrel I would say is a heavy sporter. No the stock is not a Monte Carlo and it looks period correct for the years I gave for the rifle. | |||
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Not a real test but, I shot one each of cfe 223 from 60 to 64 grn. at 62 it was 2613fps, dropped a tad at 63 and at 64 was 2619fps. I've always been under the assumption that when velocity increase stops as powder increases one is at max for that rifle. Any thoughts on that? | |||
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