Talking to a guy this morning he asks f i know a good gun smith so I hand him one of my cards lol, conversation came around to an AR he built and a buddy loaded him some 5.56 ammo with 72 gr HP boat tail bullets that do, get this 5,000 FPS! all I could say was WOW REALY! and calmly walked away. now is this the funniest thing you have heard in a while or am I just not up to par on my reloading?

Question:
Is this the funniest thing you have heard in a while or am I just not up to par on my reloading?

Choices:
He s full of BS
I'm not up to par
It could be done
That's just BS and the funniest thing

 

5,000 fps with a 223 and 72 grain bullets is very funny!

A while back some brought a thin steel plate with bullet holes making a perfect circle .

He said a friend of his shot it with a 22, off hand, at 25 meters.

Told him his friend was lying.

Got him on the phone and the friend indigenous he did.

Using a Winchester 94 lever rifle.

Told him he is lying.

And challenge him to come shoot the same target at my range, at 10 meters.

And he did, he can pick any of the rifles in my range as his prize.

My friend started telling what rifles we had in the range.

From 22 rim fire to 460 Weatherby Magnum.

Told him he should bring his rifle, and his own ammo.

And if he wished, he can pick any ammo we had, which was over 70 different types.

If he lose, he leaves the his rifle here.

He promised to come.

We are still waiting!

Yes I have been handloading for about 40 years and the closest I can get to 5,000 fps is with a 17 Remington and 20 gr bullets LOL.

5000 fps from an ar in 556 with heavy bullets?

Maybe, if it were a single shot bmg upper necked down to 223...

But heck, if it shoots and he is happy with it, regardless of a "little" fudging the numbers good for him...

What's the load? 75gr of Bluetooth or 300gr of ground Kingsford?

Sorry, no contest.

I was once explained in considerable detail how to shoot Martini-Henry ammunition in a Lee-Enfield.
Apparently the cartridge needed to be chambered by smacking it in using a "small plank" of wood, and the bullet after firing was about 4" long...

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Originally posted by Peter Connan:
Sorry, no contest.

I was once explained in considerable detail how to shoot Martini-Henry ammunition in a Lee-Enfield.
Apparently the cartridge needed to be chambered by smacking it in using a "small plank" of wood, and the bullet after firing was about 4" long...

Well, I get quite a few old Lee Enfield 303 rifles.

One in particular had a bore of 0.328!!

A 0.311 bullet just drops straight through.

I had a friend tell me one could use 380 auto cases for 9mmL cases just like loading 38spl in a 357mag.

I had a fellow tells me he travels to Wyoming.

With is Iron sighted model 94 in 30-30 because he can easily make 500yard shots with it.

I offed him 100bucks back in 1978 to come to my range and do it.

I am still waiting.

I had a bear guide tell me his client's 32spl was more powerful then a 30-06 because 32 is a bigger number the 30

There is a book by Alexander Lake, I think.

He was telling the story of shooting baboons for money as the government wanted them eliminated somewhere.

He was using a 303.

He killed one, at what he said was several hundred yards - if I remember right well over 500.

When he got to it, he said he found that his bullet hit a few inches lower than he had aimed!

I regularly hear "My old Win 30/30 will shoot into one ragged hole with any ammunition that I use." I always reply. "Mine will do that with one shot also," and they get mad about it.

Some shooters were arguing about accuracy.

Told them I have a rifle that I shoot at 500 yards.

And every bullet makes one hole!

They missed the point and kept telling me I am lying

Dang Saeed I too have several rifles that do that exact same thing LOL!

Highly possible if you pull the trigger 2 times SUPER FAST!

No I'm not Tryin' to put the shuk on ya!

I have heard similar things.

Usually from guys with seven fingers and one eye.

A fellow here hunts with a Rem 742 in 30-06.
He said he loads a 220 grn for the first shot, then a 180 and finally a 150 grn. He shoots three times really fast, and the bullets all end up hitting the deer at the same time, each load being faster than the last. It really knocks them down fast!

Iwas told a 6.5 Creedmoor kills better than a 260 Remington. Got a good buy on some Lupua 260 brass because of that. lol

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Originally posted by theback40:
A fellow here hunts with a Rem 742 in 30-06.
He said he loads a 220 grn for the first shot, then a 180 and finally a 150 grn. He shoots three times really fast, and the bullets all end up hitting the deer at the same time, each load being faster than the last. It really knocks them down fast!

That one's pretty funny!

Had a call from someone.

He had problems with his rifles, and ammo.

He bought a 700 Remington in 7mm Remington Magnum.

He also bought a Winchester rifle in 243 Winchester.

The shop gave him 243 Winchester ammo made by Remington.

And 7mm Remington Magnum made by Winchester!

He was trying to load the ammo by make!!

Friend would only buy the ammo as stated on his Wheatherby barrel. It said 270 Winchester only. So he could not use 270 Remington.

Kinda along the same lines; I knew a guy who wanted to get into reloading + somebody had given him a whole slew of .308 bullets + no matter how hard I tried to explain it to him, he could not grasp the concept that he could use them in his 30-06, 300 WM, + 300 H+H. Since he didn't shoot a 308, he felt he had no need for those bullets, so I just finally let him give them all to me. Seriously!

I load some reduced 577 T.Rex ammo.

I had GREX - some white powder granules that look like powder, and are used as shotgun pellet buffers.

In these loads I use about 50 grains of UNIQUE, and then fill up the rest of the space with this white powder.

I had already put UNIQUE in the cases, and grex on top, when a friend comes along.

"Ah what is this? WHITE powder?"

"You are not supposed to see this. It is experimental powder I was sent to test"

"How good is it?"

"Incredible! Probably the best powder I have ever used in the 270 Winchester"

He has a 7 x 64 Brenneke he loads for.

"Can I have some to try in my rifle?"

"OK, but promise to tell no one"

"Of course I won't"

While he is shooting, I put some of this powder in an unmarked plastic jar and give it to him.

A few days later he calls.

"Saeed, all my loads misfire??!!"

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Originally posted by theback40:
A fellow here hunts with a Rem 742 in 30-06.
He said he loads a 220 grn for the first shot, then a 180 and finally a 150 grn. He shoots three times really fast, and the bullets all end up hitting the deer at the same time, each load being faster than the last. It really knocks them down fast!

Can a 742 reliably get 3 shots off in a row.

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Originally posted by Ray Fryar:
Talking to a guy this morning he asks f i know a good gun smith so I hand him one of my cards lol, conversation came around to an AR he built and a buddy loaded him some 5.56 ammo with 72 gr HP boat tail bullets that do, get this 5,000 FPS! all I could say was WOW REALY! and calmly walked away. now is this the funniest thing you have heard in a while or am I just not up to par on my reloading?

Many years ago, a fellow came into the store, gun shopping. He came back into the shop to watch me work (a lot of people seemed to be fascinated by my work. Reasons unknown). While watching, he told of a rifle he had, a 270 Ackley Magnum, and how flat it shot. According to him, this rifle only dropped 7 inches at 700 yards. He knew this because he had shot a bull elk at 700 yards and had hit it in the heart while holding mid-chest. I allowed as how that was pretty impressive alright. He said he thought so too. So much so, that he called P.O. Ackley and told him about it. He said that Ackley had told him, he had heard a lot of impressive claims in his day but this one pretty well took the cake. Our hero took this to mean that his rifle really was something special.
Well, he poked around in the used rack and finally settled on a Browning A-Bolt in 300 Win Mag. He asked me what I thought of his choice. Ever the diplomat, I told him I thought that rifle would probably do what he needed it to do. "Mind you", I told him, "I'd be lying if I said it would shoot as flat as your 270 Ackley Mag".
He looked at me with a twinkle in his eye. "That's OK", he said, "I didn't really think it would. That rifle is special!"
"Truer words", I replied. He left the store, a happy man. Sometimes, we just have to go with it. Regards, Bill

5000 FPS? NO problem; I routinely get that from ammo I have fired.
Gun: M256, 120mm. Smoothbore.
Ammo: APFSDS-T
Chamber pressure: 95 K PSI.
It's easy in the right gun.
Now, in an AR with brass cases; no.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Had a call from someone.

He had problems with his rifles, and ammo.

He bought a 700 Remington in 7mm Remington Magnum.

He also bought a Winchester rifle in 243 Winchester.

The shop gave him 243 Winchester ammo made by Remington.

And 7mm Remington Magnum made by Winchester!

He was trying to load the ammo by make!!

Had the same thing happen here. I worked in a gun shop for awhile and had a guy come in wanting to buy 270 ammo. I recommended a box for him to try and he had a look on his face. He said the box I handed him was 270 Winchester but his rifle was a Remington so he needed the one that matched his rifle. People are scary.

I see other people have had the same experience as I posted above. I wonder if it’s the same guy traveling all over the US looking for a box of 270 Remington ammo? Haha!

I listened to a guy go on and on about the difference between a 44 Remington magnum and a standard 44 magnum.

I was trapped at a table with him at a wedding.

Was at Bailey's oh in the early 90s, and this 7 fingered fella was telling me about his special loads for his nagant rifle

He said words to the effect:
See, it wasn't really a 308, closer to an 8mm, but he didn't have any 220gr 8mm bullets, so he does a DOUBLE bullet of light 8mm in the case, but "cut back the powder charge SOME" .. but it's a secret, but he says both bullets hit the target

I asked how had it been working out, he replied he was testing them as soon as the range was hot...

I loaded up the kids and went home, no clue if he went from 7 fingers to lefty, and didn't want to know

He picked the right rifle to shoot double 8mm bullets through a .30 caliber barrel. Hard to blow up a Mosin.

For those who have not worked with them, it was common for the Remington 788 to have problems with the empties hitting the scope turret. The easy fix was to rotate the scope counterclockwise, 90 degrees. While this worked well, it could cause some confusion.
In one case I explained to the customer that the roles of his turrets were now reversed. He seemed to get it. The next day, he was back at the shop, complaining. He told me about his range session.
"I shot three shots and they were high and to the left. I moved the scope down and to the right. Now, it hit OK side to side but it was even higher. I moved it down, but it was still high and now it was to the right. I moved it to the left. It was still hitting right, but the height was better. I moved it to the left some more and it hit low again. I figured Id should just work at one thing at a time, so I cranked it up and it hit off the paper to the left. I think the scope is effed."
I tried to explain again that up and down were now left and right. His Reply? "But it says up right on the dial".
I gave up and rotated the scope back and put it in some high rings. Bill.

I knew a guy a long time ago who thought the number of grains shown on a box of ammo was how much powder was in the case. He decided to play it safe and only get 150 grains for his 30-06.

Another couldn’t figure out why his 30-30 Winchester 94 sometimes fired when he handled it. He didn’t know it had a half cock for a safety.

Guys,

That poor guy in the first post might really believe his 223 will do 5,000 fps. His buddy did the loading and might have told him a load of BS. People are amazingly ignorant about their guns and their gun's capabilities.

A native guy in AK told me his Mini 14 would only drop about a 1/2 inch at a half mile.

Another native guy told me a 270 was the best moose rifle FOR HEAD SHOTS!

I remember asking a guy what bullet weight he used in his 25-06. He gave me a puzzled look and didn't really answer. I let him off the hook by saying that I thought the 120's would be best for his hunt. Before he had just bought 25-06 ammo without knowing there were any different bullet weights.

My ex BIL went to Cabela's and asked the guy behind the counter what he'd recommend for an upcoming AK moose hunt. The guy immediately said, you guessed it! 6.5 Needmore.

A client went to the local range and started talking to a young guy there who was shooting also. My guy ended up shooting the guys 6.5 Needmore and was impressed with it's light recoil. The guy said he liked the light recoil also but the 6.5 Needmore was a "real barrel burner".

The most ignorant folks I ran into were the guys I hunted with growing up and basically all the other hunters minus a very few. Good golly they didn't know shit about guns and ballistics. I think a lot of that was that the shots were usually not more than 50 yards and dumb luck was more important than anything else.

I totally believe the story about the 3 bullet weights in the same gun. Guy probably believed he could do that.

I've had more than one person tell me if they jumped a deer and it went into the bush they just emptied the gun into where the deer went.

I gotta million of 'em!

Mark

Good ones, Mark!

It's truly scary when one realizes that half of all gun owners likely possess below average intelligence!

Darwin Award candidates!
A GPS set of coordinates for their hunting location...call in a time on target...

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
For those who have not worked with them, it was common for the Remington 788 to have problems with the empties hitting the scope turret. The easy fix was to rotate the scope counterclockwise, 90 degrees. While this worked well, it could cause some confusion.
In one case I explained to the customer that the roles of his turrets were now reversed. He seemed to get it. The next day, he was back at the shop, complaining. He told me about his range session.
"I shot three shots and they were high and to the left. I moved the scope down and to the right. Now, it hit OK side to side but it was even higher. I moved it down, but it was still high and now it was to the right. I moved it to the left. It was still hitting right, but the height was better. I moved it to the left some more and it hit low again. I figured Id should just work at one thing at a time, so I cranked it up and it hit off the paper to the left. I think the scope is effed."
I tried to explain again that up and down were now left and right. His Reply? "But it says up right on the dial".
I gave up and rotated the scope back and put it in some high rings. Bill.

Nickel Marburg used to make a lot of their scopes with the windage knob on the left side, probably to keep the ejection port clear on the MS.

I've got one on my Zastava 9.3 and like the scope - but one day I felt something strange in my pocket.

It was the windage cap, which had unwound from rubbing against me when carried on a 'Safari Sling'.

Two stories:

1. Guy comes in shop and says he has shopped everywhere and we are his last hope for #4 Turkey loads. He has a hunt the next morning. It is 4:30 PM. We are sold out too, but I offer him #4 Pheasant load, which is the same thing. Nope, won't do, doesn't have a Turkey on the box. Said he was going to cancel the hunt.

2. Guy comes in with an AR-10 he built that suddenly quit cycling. He is shooting "hot" handloads that he says do 3,500 fps. I inspect the gun and discover the bolt carrier is packed full of of small, brass discs. These discs display a firing pin indent. There is a bag of fired brass with the gun and sure enough, each case shows flat primers with holes in the center and black soot around the perimeter. After a safety inspection, I run 30 rounds through the gun. When customer comes in to pick up the gun I have "the talk" with him to explain the cause of his issue. He just laughs and tells me I don't know what I'm talking about.

My late friend Walter, God bless his soul.

As you all know, he is a bit of a character.

We had planned on going to Zimbabwe on safari.

He insisted on bringing his own rifle, a Blaser in 7x64 Brenneke.

We cannot let this go without some tricks.

I loaded .277 caliber bullets and tried it.

No good.

All shot well enough - 2 inches or less.

I was surprised, but learned a lesson.

More drastic methods are called for.

The bullets I was going to load for him were Nosler Partition 140 grains.

Got a Dremmel drill, and drilled out various amounts from the back end of the bullets.

Some were reduced to around 100 grains!

BINGO!

I was getting 3 feet groups at 100 yards!

I loaded a few of these - using CCI BR primers so I can tell them apart.

For those unaware of these primers, they have a tiny indentation on them saying BR.

Off we went to Matetsi in Zimbabwe.

Everyone was aware of this, except Walter.

Firs morning we check the zero on our rifles.

I fired mine, and all was great.

Walter sits at the bench, and I pass im a few rounds from the box of ammo.

All doctored.

First round misses the whole target box.

Several spectators were saying it must be due to oil in the barrel.

Next round hits the target box at one corner.

Walter is now getting fidgety, and working himself into a lather.

Next one is a miss again!!

He checked the scope to see if it is loose.

Nope.

Fires one more, and this one lands half way to the target, missing by 50 yards!

All hell breaks loose.

He gets up, throws all the ammo on the ground, screaming his head off at everyone, especially me.

Everyone else was rolling on the ground laughing!

A few years later, he asked me to chamber a barrel for his Blaser in my 375/404,

His Blaser has one of those utterly stupid European stocks.

Which in case gives me a headache when I shot large calibers with.

It smacks me in the face!

We have a 375H&H barrel for the Blaser, so I suggested he tries that first, because I did not think he would enjoy shooting my 375/404 on a Blaser.

He agreed.

BUT. BUT.

He wanted to load his own ammo, as somehow he no longer trusts me!

He wanted to look at loading manuals, find the load with lowest velocity, and start with that one.

I had loads of Sierra 300 grain soft point bullets.

Before he came, I loaded 3 rounds with maximum loads!

And hid them.

He came over, and decided on a lod, and agreed to reduce that load further by 10% too.

I kept telling him this load will kick like a 243 Winchester, as it so low.

He said he would prefer to work up.

I told him because of the stupid design of that stock, he will still feel the kick.

He loaded his 3 rounds, and went to the bench to shoot them.

He is left handed, so had to move the rifle rest around the table.

I swapped his ammo to the ones I loaded.

He fired one shot, and screamed AW AW AW.

Holding his cheek!

Everyone else was in hysterics!

I told him to try another round, and hold the rifle more tight.

He did!

More screaming AW AW AW!

That was the end of his insistence of having a barrel rechambered!

Not reloading, but I still remember the guy at the gun store who came up to me about 40 years ago as I was looking at some kind of handgun I can’t remember.

Without so much as a how do you do, he told me I should buy a “.45 Magna” which was even more powerful than Dirty Harry’s “.44 Magna.”

I forget exactly how I replied, but I remember being polite and non-committal.