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Is supply and demand (or hording) the reason for the primer shortage? Was at the range yesturday and listen to a shooter whineing that a Goberment conspiracy is behind the reloading supply shortage. I told him the cause is just people hording supplys | ||
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and i just had all my backorders SHIPPED yesterday. its HOARDING, as the makers are shipping 120% of what they were last year. when 20% more shows up on shelves, and its gone in 2 hours, rather than a week, its hoarding opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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This is my take, FWIW. We have two loose cannons in the White House, both of whom would destroy our gun rights in a heartbeat if they could get away with it. Gun owners, specifically reloaders, are scared to death that the end is near. So, they are stocking up on everything, primers included. When one company, Powder Valley, has a 50 million primer backorder, you know the level of paranoia is high here in America. Compounding the problem is our state of the economy. No manufacturer today is going to add machine capacity to keep pace, so they are running multiple shifts to "try" to keep up. I just read that Sierra bullet makers is running a 3 shift, 7 day per week operation, making 1 million bullets each day, and they are still not keeping pace. As long as the two nut jobs are attemting to run our once great nation, we will be behind the power curve on loading components. These two lunatics are destroyers, not builders. They'll destroy all that is good, for the shear pleasure of doing so. Don | |||
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the main supplier areound here was a sportsmans warehouse that was going into solvency and hasn't had more then 3 boxes of primers at one time for 2 years,too bad as they could easily have made a fortune selling reloading supplies if they only had some [back when they were available] but the thing now is people are buying more then they are making. with the ammo coding thing[story]finally getting out to the regular guy's. everyone having to have an ar before they are banned. etc... it's finally just hit. and is gonna be here for a while along with the new improved higher prices. | |||
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AMMO CODING THING MORE WHAT AMMO CODING? PLEASE TELL ME ALL ABOUT IT, THAT YOUR LOCAL GUN SHOP COUNTER GUY TOLD YOU ABOUT. | |||
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Saw in a local gun shop today that primers were $5-$6 a hundred and if you bought Winchester primers you needed to buy two pounds of Winchester powder. Powder was selling for around $20-25 a pound with lots of powder, brass, and bullets available just at higher prices. Big question. Are our local gun shops marking up their goods due to trying to maximize their profits, or, are their suppliers charging high costs? It would be interesting to get that answer from someone involved with the finances of the gun shops. If it's just price gouging it would be nice to know what shops are doing it so that when, hopefully, things settle back down to close to normal we know what gun shops were our friends and which ones where doing the gouging. JMHO | |||
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teancum -- Grafs is still selling primers at "pre-election" prices I bought primers, ON THE SHELF in houston last week for 34.95 - if at auction, that's the buyer setting the price.. at retail, its the seller opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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It doesn't bother me to see a store charging higher prices for primers because that is one way to stop the hoarding. It's unfortunate that people who really have a realistic need for the primers will pay the higher cost, but it will slow down the hoarders. Once some balance returns to the market, the prices will probably cool down also. | |||
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Powdervalleyinc.com says they are currently 50million backordered.....I'm all set,you should have seen this coming last year JMO.. Go Galt | |||
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Just flashed over to Grafs.com..prices are ok but nothing in stock.. Go Galt | |||
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Say what you like it's still a semi free country to do so for a little while longer least wise !. Seems to be a combination of several factors only one of which is hording !. Prices are all over the place depending on where and what you want !. http://www.brunoshooters.com/M...S&Category_Code=29WI http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/ NONE http://www.lockstock.com/departments.asp?dept=19 NO LONGER SOLD ON LINE ! ??. NONE http://www.midsouthshooterssup...ept4=&NAV=1&vendors= NONE http://www.grafs.com/powders/3528 NONE Yea sure it's just hording and Obuma is gonna help you real soon to !!!. You folks been sleeping at wheel again , WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!. Buying Ammo is far easier for the moment and much more expensive by design that will stay that way at least until June any way , then what are you going to do ??? !!!.   | |||
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The local gun stores are out of stock of just about everything. I am getting a trickle of stuff off the internet from Cabela's (just my deer bullets) but that took months. Lucky for me I was loading up prior to November, but I am not shooting much now. New baby for one thing, and I don't know if/when I would be able to replace the ammo if I did go out. And Doc, what is happening in June? | |||
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that's when all the back orders are filled and the stuff is readily avialable.. i expect august, but same difference. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Grafs just filled my backorder of 5k each federal 215 Mag and 210 Match. I placed the order around two months ago. Backorder, they'll get to you in due time. Doug | |||
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I have many thousands of primers that I normally keep in stock so I was seeing this coming but am concerned about what's happening now and in the near future. | |||
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Honestly, that would be great. I have plenty of large mag primers, large and small rifle, and enough large pistol for a while. But with summer coming up my wife wants to shoot her new 9mm and I am having a heck of a time finding small pistol. Never thought that my problem would be I didn't have enough ammo for my bride. | |||
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1) The Obomba administration appointments have one thing in common, pure-breed anti gun. Those who got caught without grandfathered in hardware in 1994 when Clinton signed the AWB, are not going to get caught this time. 2) Inflation is coming, and the first sign in shortages. 3) The run on ammo is more profitable than the run on primers, so the extra primers are being diverted to ammo manufacture. 4)Once the run got started, it feeds on itself. Many handloaders who were previously buying 200 primers a year, now want to buy a 100,000 primer lifetime supply. 5) The manufacturers know it is a temporary increase, and do not increase tooling, only work an extra shift or two of temporary workers. What does it all mean? Obama threatening, manufacturing slow, and buyer's panic. | |||
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To a degree the above is correct !. I wasn't referring to June as back order filling month !!!. Nor August or any other month for that matter !. This has NOT DIED !. It's being secretly reworked and may be shoved in sometime soon !. http://righttruth.typepad.com/...ountability-act.html Eric Holder is a Giant Prick and makes NO excuses for his anti gun anti second amendment agenda !. Why do you figure Oklahoma and Montana have passed " State Legislation " protecting second amendment rights ?. Yes the Federal Government is way out of control and sensible states are acting in their citizens best interest !. ALL of the STATES need to pass similar legislation to protect themselves !. But when Morons like that dip shit mayor of NYC change the regulations regrading election eligibility you have got to ask yourself what's next ?. Border Czar ?. Oh yea we got one of those to !. An Ex superintendent of schools who was and is a failure !. Alan was given this job by head puppet himself . Want to know why ?. Not because of any qualification or position of authority it's simply a PAY OFF !. Border Czar my ass ! , what for ? no power no authority no responsibility !. Just a cushy 6 figure salary !. El Idiot Alan Bernstein campaigned and held numerous fund raisers for head puppet in Southern Calif. . So it's a PAY BACK POSITION !!!!!!!!!. Which they will use to their advantage for Gun Control purposes !. | |||
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gentlemen, like the tagants scare, there aint no such thing. by june, perhaps august, primers will be on the shelf, as normal. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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So jeffeosso we have your word on this by August reloading supplies will be back too normal ?. We shall see if your word holds up and I will be the first to apologize if it does !. | |||
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Who did Obama hire from the state of WA? Gil Kurkowski, the most anti gun figure in the state of WA. | |||
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Doc, i am fully assured it will be back to a normal level, where there's inventory that lasts more than one day, and prices are only slightly higher than august on powder.. i expect the norm to be 23-25 per pound, and primers to level out at 27-32bucks. one might not have noticed, but some brass has nearly tripled in 3.5 years. Bullet prices, a year ago, were double from 4 years ago... this is HOARDING.. shesh, guys, if you are shooting 1k rounds per year, get 10k primers, of your favrotie flavors, and wait this out. Most reloaders, from converastions with retail sales guys, don't want to buy a WHOLE brick of primers (a year ago) can't they just buy 200 rifle and 200 pistol, and then come back next year? In fact, like bisquits and gravy, they want to buy as many primers as can match up to as many loads that a can of powder can do... and have trouble remembering its 7000gr/lb. let alone let them try to remember ohmygodro's number its not like they are being asked to present the moleculure weight of the priming compound. 3-4 months, this will all be an annoying memory opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Am i missing someting here (OK--happens quite often ), as far as your back order theory. June-Aug of 08 was a non event, shelves did not fill up. Primers and other components have been hard to come by here in Western NY for quite a spell now. But they haven't totally dried up, we have managed to get enough to keep us shooting. Learned to tailer uour loads to whatever was available at that point in time. Actually we have found some shops to be well stocked with some components and completely out of other. Presently we have a glut of primers, brass and bullets can be a problem. Phil NRA Life Member since 1976 philny1@zoominternet.net 877 485-6270 Visa/MC accepted , plus 3% We have to save the Earth, only planet with beer!! "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Phil you got it, but I didn't express it will june-aug of 08 is the base line for "normal" .. primers and powders on the shelves, and 22 ammo available ... 9mm, 38, 357, 45acp, and 40SW may be longer, btw.. i expect by aug 09, inventory levels will return to something more like jun-aug 08... stuff on the shelf. we'll see, yeah? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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to prove my point, i have offered primers for sale on gunbroker for FAR LESS than the "going rate" and at the moment have no interest. I have also presented folks (there's about 17million within a 6 hours drive of houston)with the opprotunity to trade and/or swap some things in our classifieds. again, nil response. what does that tell me? either everyone on AR within driving distance of meeting me halfway has all the primers they want, OR they too feel the worst is over. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The cost of brass and bullets going up had lots to do with scrap going up. I'm sure all of you know that China was buying up scrap metal like it was going out of style. This rose the prices of iron, copper, and aluminum to name a few. My neighbor is in the scrap business. He said before China started buying copper was around 90 cents a pound, then soared to over 3 dollars. Aluminum cans was like $2.49 a pound. Then China got saturated and stopped their large scale buying. Aluminum cans here now dropped to 29 cents a pound. These scrap prices get reflected in brass and copper products. I've only see a few items that increased due to something else, that have come back down. To name two coffee and milk. Folgers went to $11 dollars and a gallon of local milk went to $5.36. They claimed the added fuel cost when gasoline soared. Well gas came down, but so far those are the only two items that I noticed that decreased a lot. I feel the gun industry are greedy people. Once they get the price up on a product they will never lower it. I'll bet you primers will never be back to the price they were before Obooga got in office. | |||
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starmetal looking back at the clinton era, primers when from 10 to 50 and then bakc to 15, and had creeped up to 20, dollars per thousand. before the election, 22-24 per thousand, in Q1, retail... i expect they'll be back to ~30 in august, on the shelf all day long. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Here is a note from SINCLAIR INTERNATIONAL about primer supply problems...posted May 12th. | |||
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Local shops around here are starting to get stuff back on the shelves like primers and 22 LR ammo.... the locals are still in a panic.. as soon as it comes in, they go out the door... the local Bi Mart got in 40 boxes of 223 Rem with FMJ on Tuesday, and a son of one of my friends goes in and buys 30 boxes of it...like a moron... Walmrt got a palate of 22 LR bulk Federal ammo.. by noon there were 3 boxes left... key thing is, that the stuff is starting to make it back to the store shelves...that haven't been able to get anything for quite a while.. this shortage stuff is starting to wind down.. people's hoarding cupboards are getting full and the local morons will run out of cash soon enough... especially in my town...we have 20% unemployment now with a prediction of 25% coming... | |||
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Sinclair's statement is in synch with about what anyone with any intelligence should be realizing... between hoarders and those in fear of political situations... if there ever is a real crisis in this country, we can preview what public panic is going to happen with a nation full of 'chicken littles' | |||
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Maybe they read this thread  I have given 1,000 primers each to a couple guys I shoot with because, like you Seafire, I have plenty. Allot of my bullets, brass, and primers come from 3 different handloaders that hoarded and died. There is a perfect analogy with hoarding food. Those who have starved, hoard huge amounts of food for the rest of their lives. | |||
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Like the old saying goes, "Ignorance is bliss". It is, of course, further indication that a fundamentalist right has really taken over much of the Republican Party, People might cite George Bush as proof that you can be totally impervious to the effects of Harvard and Yale education. Barney Frank | |||
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I suspect you are right. In Jan/Feb, I resited the urge to buy a whole hoard of primers (though I did buy that nice AR upper I have always wanted). Then the other day I realized I was down to my last 500 small pistol primers for my wife's 9mm. Since she is a teacher and off for the summer, I went looking for some a week ago. I have enough loaded to keep her busy for awhile, but I don't want to make Mammy mad when she finds out I have plenty of rifle primers, but not enough for her gun. | |||
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It's odd that here in the UK primers manufactured in the US have only risen in price by the amount necessary due to the £ falling against the $. I've not seen any shortages either. | |||
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You don't have Dummycrats invading the firearms market and using bail out money to purchase LARGE QUANTITY'S of supply's intended for wholesale distributors either !. I'm fine as I foresaw this back in 02 and have enough to last me for life at 10K per year !. When the shelves are still empty come October November December 1 , You will begin to understand what has happened too YOUR COUNTRY !!!!!!!. Mean while I'll respect jeffeosso word on back to Normal !. | |||
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Just got word from Grafs that 5k of the 215M where shipped with 5 lbs RL15. They had been on back order for a while. I got 5k of the 210M a month ago. | |||
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For those wanting shotshell primers, Ballistic Products had Fiocci 616 primers for $134/5,000 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Yeah my folks are worth several million at least, yet they grew up in the depression and have what I have always called depression syndrome.... their cupboards and refrigerators are never empty of food... my mom goes grocery shopping every Saturday on Camp Pendleton, and then goes to restock on Wednesdays at the local supermarket... every time my son is around him, they try and feed him to where he gains 20lbs in a week... | |||
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