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it would be much appreciated. i would like to know a ball park figure of my velocity as i do not own a chrony at this time. the load is as follows. 270wsm fed brass 60.5g reloader 22 win large rifle magnum primer 150g nosler ballistic tip (not coated/combined tech) oal 2.855 24" barrel. | ||
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SKSshooter, Quickload spit out muzzle velocity of about 2870 FPS for the parameteres you provided. Good luck. | |||
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Pressure wise it estimates around 49k PSI. It should be a fairly mild load. QL shows a max of about 65.5gr at 3100 fps. As far as choosing brass on QL, it's a little more involved then that. You must measure the water volume of your case. | |||
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Fired and not resized. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Cartridge : .270 WSM Bullet : .277, 150, Nosler BalTip 27150 Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.855 inch or 72.52 mm Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-22 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -20.0 73 48.40 2295 1754 26471 9762 88.6 1.731 -18.0 75 49.61 2352 1843 28165 10100 90.0 1.689 -16.0 77 50.82 2410 1934 29969 10429 91.3 1.649 -14.0 79 52.03 2468 2028 31888 10750 92.5 1.609 -12.0 81 53.24 2525 2124 33932 11061 93.6 1.570 -10.0 83 54.45 2583 2223 36108 11359 94.6 1.532 -08.0 84 55.66 2641 2323 38428 11645 95.6 1.490 -06.0 86 56.87 2699 2426 40885 11917 96.5 1.446 -04.0 88 58.08 2757 2531 43472 12174 97.2 1.405 -02.0 90 59.29 2814 2638 46207 12414 97.9 1.365 +00.0 92 60.50 2872 2747 49110 12637 98.5 1.326 +02.0 94 61.71 2929 2857 52191 12841 99.0 1.289 +04.0 95 62.92 2986 2969 55462 13025 99.4 1.253 ! Near Maximum ! +06.0 97 64.13 3042 3082 58937 13189 99.7 1.219 ! Near Maximum ! +08.0 99 65.34 3098 3197 62630 13331 99.9 1.185 ! Near Maximum ! +10.0 101 66.55 3154 3313 66558 13451 100.0 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 92 60.50 3016 3029 59208 12373 100.0 1.221 ! Near Maximum ! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 92 60.50 2677 2386 39367 12172 92.2 1.464 | |||
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Steve, how do you get those nice pretty colums. I can never get my QL posts to come out as pretty as your?! | |||
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???? Please Share!!!!!!! As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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thanks for the help fellas. i know the velocity isn't written in stone and i can only know for sure if i shoot it. but im actually quiet suprised. the manual lists max of 61g and velocity a little over 3k. this load is pretty accurate consistantly shooting just slightly over 1/2" at 100yds. ill stick with it for this year but i may work it up a bit higher after hunting season and see if the accuracy holds | |||
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on second thought i punched those numbers in the ballistic calc on my phone and at 2850fps it gives 28" drop @400 yds with velocity at 2150 and ftlbs at 1540. at 3050 fps muzzle its gives 24" drop, velocity 2320 and ftlbs at 1790. i probably wont make a shot at 400 but if i do that would be the longest. i feel pretty confident that the 2850 muzzle velocity is adequate to make a kill at that distance so i think i may just stick with that. i guess if i wanted more i could drop down to the 130's but i like the performance of the 150's they kill quick and with less explosiveness than i have had from the 130's. ive killed 3 deer with this round using the 150's all 100yds or less with the closest being about 40yds and all 3 were drt with limited damage to the surrounding meat. all 3 were through and through shots with good wound channels so im satisfied with what i have. | |||
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I always set up for max point blank range. In your case with the 2850 that would be 317yds using a 4" radius kill zone. 14.5" low at 400yds. So put the cross hairs on it out to 320yds then at 400 just over the top of the shoulder. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Open QL to the page above. Highlight the entire page or any potion you wish. Go to the top of the screen, left side and click on "copy to", select "clip board". Now if you are going to post that clipboard on a forum like this and just click past it will come out all fucked up. Enter your paste info like this. On the keyboard select the square bracket left, it looks like this ([) . Then type in the word (code). Then select the square bracket right, it looks like this (]) Then hit the space a few times. Now click on the square bracket left again ([). Type in backwards slash (/) then the word (code) followed by another square bracket right (]). Then click paste between the right and left square brackets code] here [/code . Notice I left out the other two square brackets for demo purposes. | |||
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It should look like this. [code] | |||
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paste [/code] | |||
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Well crap it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  THANKS  As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Or you can just show him a picture.   | |||
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Cartridge : .270 WSM Bullet : .277, 150, Nosler BalTip 39588 Useable Case Capaci: 70.966 grain H2O = 4.608 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-22 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 0.781% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -07.8 89 59.00 2796 2604 45293 12367 97.7 1.378 -07.0 90 59.50 2820 2648 46445 12464 98.0 1.362 -06.2 91 60.00 2843 2692 47626 12558 98.2 1.346 -05.5 91 60.50 2867 2737 48836 12648 98.5 1.330 -04.7 92 61.00 2890 2783 50076 12735 98.7 1.315 -03.9 93 61.50 2914 2828 51347 12819 98.9 1.299 -03.1 94 62.00 2937 2874 52650 12900 99.1 1.284 -02.3 95 62.50 2961 2920 53985 12978 99.3 1.269 -01.6 95 63.00 2984 2966 55354 13052 99.4 1.254 ! Near Maximum ! -00.8 96 63.50 3008 3013 56757 13122 99.5 1.240 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 97 64.00 3031 3060 58196 13189 99.7 1.226 ! Near Maximum ! +00.8 98 64.50 3054 3107 59671 13252 99.8 1.212 ! Near Maximum ! +01.6 98 65.00 3077 3154 61184 13312 99.8 1.198 ! Near Maximum ! +02.3 99 65.50 3100 3202 62735 13368 99.9 1.184 ! Near Maximum ! +03.1 100 66.00 3123 3249 64326 13419 100.0 1.171 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.9 101 66.50 3146 3297 65958 13468 100.0 1.157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value: +Ba 97 64.00 3076 3152 61723 13077 100.0 1.195 ! Near Maximum ! Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value: -Ba 97 64.00 2980 2958 54695 13229 98.9 1.259 WOW, it WORKS!! Thanks Steve, I really appreciate the help. | |||
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Sweet!  | |||
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It works for Quicktarget too. Tabular trajectory data at Std.ICAO Atmosphere ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gun / Ammunition : .270 WSM Bullet : .277, 150, Nosler BalTip 27150 Bullet weight : 150 grains or 9,72 Grams Muzzle velocity : 2872 fps Crosswind speed : 1 Mph Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1): C1=0.496@V>0 fps; Table of Various Zero Ranges - Trajectory Path to LOS in inches ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Range 50 yd. 100 yd. 150 yd. 200 yd. 250 yd. 300 yd. 350 yd. 400 yd. 450 yd. 500 yd. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 50 yd. Zero X +0,4 -0,5 -2,6 -6,0 -11,0 -17,6 -26,0 -36,1 -48,2 100 yd. Zero -0,2 X -1,0 -3,3 -7,0 -12,1 -18,9 -27,4 -37,8 -50,0 150 yd. Zero +0,2 +0,7 X -2,0 -5,2 -10,1 -16,5 -24,7 -34,7 -46,6 200 yd. Zero +0,6 +1,7 +1,5 X -2,8 -7,1 -13,1 -20,8 -30,3 -41,7 250 yd. Zero +1,2 +2,8 +3,1 +2,2 X -3,8 -9,2 -16,3 -25,3 -36,1 300 yd. Zero +1,8 +4,0 +5,0 +4,7 +3,1 X -4,8 -11,3 -19,6 -29,8 350 yd. Zero +2,5 +5,4 +7,1 +7,5 +6,6 +4,1 X -5,8 -13,5 -23,0 400 yd. Zero +3,2 +6,9 +9,3 +10,4 +10,2 +8,5 +5,1 X -6,9 -15,7 450 yd. Zero +4,0 +8,4 +11,6 +13,5 +14,0 +13,1 +10,5 +6,1 X -8,0 500 yd. Zero +4,8 +10,0 +14,0 +16,7 +18,0 +17,9 +16,1 +12,6 +7,2 X ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 274 yd. PB Zero +1,5 +3,4 +4,0 +3,4 +1,5 -2,0 -7,1 -14,0 -22,6 -33,1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Velocity fps. 2777,8 2685,7 2595,4 2506,8 2419,9 2334,8 2251,5 2169,9 2089,8 2011,3 Energy ft.lbs. 2569,9 2402,2 2243,3 2092,9 1950,3 1815,5 1688,3 1568,1 1454,5 1347,2 Deflection in. 0,0 0,1 0,2 0,3 0,4 0,6 0,8 1,1 1,4 1,8 Correction MOA/mph 0,037 0,068 0,099 0,128 0,156 0,191 0,229 0,267 0,306 0,344 Time sec 0,053 0,109 0,165 0,224 0,284 0,347 0,413 0,481 0,552 0,625 Trajectory Path always looks better in a table than a graph.  | |||
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I've done this before, but I forgot. Wanna tell us how to post a screen shot? Please? | |||
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Highlight the title bar of any window in QL. Hit control-Alt-C. Control-C without Alt doesn’t work. Control-Alt-C puts the image on the clipboard. | |||
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Works in Quicktarget too. | |||
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OK got it copied to the "clipboard", now how do I paste it to the forum? I open a reply, click paste and nothing happens. Thanks | |||
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Steve, you have a PM | |||
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got it thanks | |||
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It’s really no secrete, I just don’t want to advertise for anyone. There are a number of sites that provide the same service. | |||
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sksshooter, did you get an answer to your question? There is a lot of QL information there. | |||
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mick i did get what i was looking for. i just wanted to get a estimate of the velocity i could expect. i don't have a chrony at this time and from what i understand the book values are most often not correct. not to say that quickload is exact either but it has my exact components atleast. im fairly happy with groups i get with this load so it is a keeper either way. i may play around with it a little more after hunting season and see if i can get a chrony and find out exactly what i am getting and see if i can work it up some and squeeze some more speed out of it for some longer shots. or i might just say to heck with it and continue to go hunting with what i have. i may mess around with some different bullets also maybe try the accubonds. im still fairly young at 28 and didn't start hunting till i was 17 killed my first deer at 19 and since have shot between 10-15 all have been with either a ballistic tip or a sabboted bullet from a muzzle loader so i really have no experience with any other bullets. ive always been fairly pleased with the ballistic tips but have wondered if i could do better with something else. early on i had some pretty extensive meat damage when i was shooting a 270win with 130g factory loaded ballistic tips from nosler. so i have changed my approach to shooting deer from shoulder shots to shooting behind the shoulder which has limited the meat damage but there is still those times when its a quartering away shot and the bullet goes in good but comes out the off side shoulder and tears it all to hell. those times i get a bit aggrevated as im a meat hunter. i like horns and all but my priority is putting meat in the freezer as i prefer to eat venison rather than buy beef(even though im sure i can buy beef much cheaper by the pound).this passed year i think we may have bought 10lbs or less ground beef and that was because we finally ran out of deer from last season. i was able to take care of that opening weekend though i got to take a doe with my .444 marlin so i once again have some meat. anyway all that to say yes i did get the insight i was looking for and i do appreciate it. | |||
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well i got the chance to put the current combination to the test a couple weeks ago. i had a little 155lb 6pt come out on me. he was running a doe pretty hard and never stopped so i put the scope on him and yelled he stopped and looked back at me just long enough for me to put one in his chest. he flopped right there. as i got down i knew it was a decent distance but it really sank in how far it was as i was going towards him. stood where the dear layed and shot the rangefinder back to my stand and it was 340yards(checked it 3 times to be sure). upon skinning the dear i found the bullet lodged in the bone/spine area between his hind legs. i haven't weighted it yet but i expect it to be about 50 grains or so maybe a little more. either way im happy the dear was dead where i shot him. there was plenty of trauma to the internals and plenty of blood even if he would have ran a little. to be honest i was a bit concerned about the lower than expected speed calculation but after actually testing it on an animal i am much more confident in my current load. i will be sticking with the nosler bts and this load is a keeper. i may give some RL17 a shot to see if i can come up with a load that is as accurate if not i have no problem continuing to use what i have now. thanks again for all the help. | |||
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