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can someone run a quickload for me (updated)

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21 November 2011, 20:28
sksshooter
can someone run a quickload for me (updated)
it would be much appreciated. i would like to know a ball park figure of my velocity as i do not own a chrony at this time. the load is as follows.
270wsm
fed brass
60.5g reloader 22
win large rifle magnum primer
150g nosler ballistic tip (not coated/combined tech)
oal 2.855
24" barrel.
21 November 2011, 20:54
kreyten
SKSshooter,
Quickload spit out muzzle velocity of about 2870 FPS for the parameteres you provided.

Good luck.
21 November 2011, 22:02
Antelope Sniper
Pressure wise it estimates around 49k PSI.
It should be a fairly mild load.

QL shows a max of about 65.5gr at 3100 fps.

As far as choosing brass on QL, it's a little more involved then that. You must measure the water volume of your case.
21 November 2011, 22:26
ramrod340
quote:
You must measure the water volume of your case

Fired and not resized.


As usual just my $.02
Paul K
22 November 2011, 17:13
steve4102
 Cartridge          : .270 WSM
Bullet             : .277, 150, Nosler BalTip 27150
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.855 inch or 72.52 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   73    48.40   2295    1754   26471   9762     88.6    1.731
-18.0   75    49.61   2352    1843   28165  10100     90.0    1.689
-16.0   77    50.82   2410    1934   29969  10429     91.3    1.649
-14.0   79    52.03   2468    2028   31888  10750     92.5    1.609
-12.0   81    53.24   2525    2124   33932  11061     93.6    1.570
-10.0   83    54.45   2583    2223   36108  11359     94.6    1.532
-08.0   84    55.66   2641    2323   38428  11645     95.6    1.490
-06.0   86    56.87   2699    2426   40885  11917     96.5    1.446
-04.0   88    58.08   2757    2531   43472  12174     97.2    1.405
-02.0   90    59.29   2814    2638   46207  12414     97.9    1.365
+00.0   92    60.50   2872    2747   49110  12637     98.5    1.326
+02.0   94    61.71   2929    2857   52191  12841     99.0    1.289
+04.0   95    62.92   2986    2969   55462  13025     99.4    1.253  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0   97    64.13   3042    3082   58937  13189     99.7    1.219  ! Near Maximum !
+08.0   99    65.34   3098    3197   62630  13331     99.9    1.185  ! Near Maximum !
+10.0  101    66.55   3154    3313   66558  13451    100.0    1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     92    60.50   3016    3029   59208  12373    100.0    1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     92    60.50   2677    2386   39367  12172     92.2    1.464

22 November 2011, 23:02
Antelope Sniper
Steve, how do you get those nice pretty colums.
I can never get my QL posts to come out as pretty as your?!
23 November 2011, 01:08
ramrod340
quote:
Steve, how do you get those nice pretty colums.
I can never get my QL posts to come out as pretty as your?!

???? Please Share!!!!!!!


As usual just my $.02
Paul K
23 November 2011, 01:23
sksshooter
thanks for the help fellas. i know the velocity isn't written in stone and i can only know for sure if i shoot it. but im actually quiet suprised. the manual lists max of 61g and velocity a little over 3k. this load is pretty accurate consistantly shooting just slightly over 1/2" at 100yds. ill stick with it for this year but i may work it up a bit higher after hunting season and see if the accuracy holds
23 November 2011, 01:35
sksshooter
on second thought i punched those numbers in the ballistic calc on my phone and at 2850fps it gives 28" drop @400 yds with velocity at 2150 and ftlbs at 1540.
at 3050 fps muzzle its gives
24" drop, velocity 2320 and ftlbs at 1790.

i probably wont make a shot at 400 but if i do that would be the longest. i feel pretty confident that the 2850 muzzle velocity is adequate to make a kill at that distance so i think i may just stick with that. i guess if i wanted more i could drop down to the 130's but i like the performance of the 150's they kill quick and with less explosiveness than i have had from the 130's. ive killed 3 deer with this round using the 150's all 100yds or less with the closest being about 40yds and all 3 were drt with limited damage to the surrounding meat. all 3 were through and through shots with good wound channels so im satisfied with what i have.
23 November 2011, 02:26
ramrod340
I always set up for max point blank range. In your case with the 2850 that would be 317yds using a 4" radius kill zone. 14.5" low at 400yds. So put the cross hairs on it out to 320yds then at 400 just over the top of the shoulder.


As usual just my $.02
Paul K
23 November 2011, 03:07
steve4102
quote:
Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:
Steve, how do you get those nice pretty colums.
I can never get my QL posts to come out as pretty as your?!


Open QL to the page above.
Highlight the entire page or any potion you wish.
Go to the top of the screen, left side and click on "copy to", select "clip board".
Now if you are going to post that clipboard on a forum like this and just click past it will come out all fucked up.
Enter your paste info like this.
On the keyboard select the square bracket left, it looks like this ([) .
Then type in the word (code).
Then select the square bracket right, it looks like this (])


Then hit the space a few times.
Now click on the square bracket left again ([).
Type in backwards slash (/) then the word (code) followed by another square bracket right (]).



Then click paste between the right and left square brackets code] here [/code . Notice I left out the other two square brackets for demo purposes.
23 November 2011, 03:10
steve4102
It should look like this.
[code]
23 November 2011, 03:10
steve4102
paste [/code]
23 November 2011, 03:18
ramrod340
Well crap it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dancing

THANKS tu2


As usual just my $.02
Paul K
23 November 2011, 04:04
MickinColo
quote:
Open QL to the page above.
Highlight the entire page or any potion you wish.
Go to the top of the screen, left side and click on "copy to", select "clip board".
Now if you are going to post that clipboard on a forum like this and just click past it will come out all fucked up.
Enter your paste info like this.
On the keyboard select the square bracket left, it looks like this ([) .
Then type in the word (code).
Then select the square bracket right, it looks like this (])


Then hit the space a few times.
Now click on the square bracket left again ([).
Type in backwards slash (/) then the word (code) followed by another square bracket right (]).


Or you can just show him a picture. Big Grin


23 November 2011, 04:19
Antelope Sniper
Cartridge          : .270 WSM
Bullet             : .277, 150, Nosler BalTip 39588
Useable Case Capaci: 70.966 grain H2O = 4.608 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.781% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-07.8   89    59.00   2796    2604   45293  12367     97.7    1.378
-07.0   90    59.50   2820    2648   46445  12464     98.0    1.362
-06.2   91    60.00   2843    2692   47626  12558     98.2    1.346
-05.5   91    60.50   2867    2737   48836  12648     98.5    1.330
-04.7   92    61.00   2890    2783   50076  12735     98.7    1.315
-03.9   93    61.50   2914    2828   51347  12819     98.9    1.299
-03.1   94    62.00   2937    2874   52650  12900     99.1    1.284
-02.3   95    62.50   2961    2920   53985  12978     99.3    1.269
-01.6   95    63.00   2984    2966   55354  13052     99.4    1.254  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8   96    63.50   3008    3013   56757  13122     99.5    1.240  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   97    64.00   3031    3060   58196  13189     99.7    1.226  ! Near Maximum !
+00.8   98    64.50   3054    3107   59671  13252     99.8    1.212  ! Near Maximum !
+01.6   98    65.00   3077    3154   61184  13312     99.8    1.198  ! Near Maximum !
+02.3   99    65.50   3100    3202   62735  13368     99.9    1.184  ! Near Maximum !
+03.1  100    66.00   3123    3249   64326  13419    100.0    1.171  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.9  101    66.50   3146    3297   65958  13468    100.0    1.157  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     97    64.00   3076    3152   61723  13077    100.0    1.195  ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     97    64.00   2980    2958   54695  13229     98.9    1.259




WOW, it WORKS!!

Thanks Steve, I really appreciate the help.
23 November 2011, 04:23
MickinColo
Sweet! Smiler
23 November 2011, 05:42
MickinColo
It works for Quicktarget too.

 Tabular trajectory data at Std.ICAO Atmosphere
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Gun / Ammunition : .270 WSM
 Bullet           : .277, 150, Nosler BalTip 27150
 Bullet weight    : 150 grains or 9,72 Grams
 Muzzle velocity  : 2872 fps
 Crosswind speed  : 1 Mph 
 Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1): 
 C1=0.496@V>0 fps;


 Table of Various Zero Ranges - Trajectory Path to LOS in inches
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Range               50 yd.  100 yd.  150 yd.  200 yd.  250 yd.  300 yd.  350 yd.  400 yd.  450 yd.  500 yd. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  50 yd. Zero           X       +0,4     -0,5     -2,6     -6,0    -11,0    -17,6    -26,0    -36,1    -48,2   
 100 yd. Zero          -0,2      X       -1,0     -3,3     -7,0    -12,1    -18,9    -27,4    -37,8    -50,0   
 150 yd. Zero          +0,2     +0,7      X       -2,0     -5,2    -10,1    -16,5    -24,7    -34,7    -46,6   
 200 yd. Zero          +0,6     +1,7     +1,5      X       -2,8     -7,1    -13,1    -20,8    -30,3    -41,7   
 250 yd. Zero          +1,2     +2,8     +3,1     +2,2      X       -3,8     -9,2    -16,3    -25,3    -36,1   
 300 yd. Zero          +1,8     +4,0     +5,0     +4,7     +3,1      X       -4,8    -11,3    -19,6    -29,8   
 350 yd. Zero          +2,5     +5,4     +7,1     +7,5     +6,6     +4,1      X       -5,8    -13,5    -23,0   
 400 yd. Zero          +3,2     +6,9     +9,3    +10,4    +10,2     +8,5     +5,1      X       -6,9    -15,7   
 450 yd. Zero          +4,0     +8,4    +11,6    +13,5    +14,0    +13,1    +10,5     +6,1      X       -8,0   
 500 yd. Zero          +4,8    +10,0    +14,0    +16,7    +18,0    +17,9    +16,1    +12,6     +7,2      X     
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 274 yd. PB Zero       +1,5     +3,4     +4,0     +3,4     +1,5     -2,0     -7,1    -14,0    -22,6    -33,1   
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Velocity       fps.  2777,8   2685,7   2595,4   2506,8   2419,9   2334,8   2251,5   2169,9   2089,8   2011,3   
Energy      ft.lbs.  2569,9   2402,2   2243,3   2092,9   1950,3   1815,5   1688,3   1568,1   1454,5   1347,2   
Deflection      in.     0,0      0,1      0,2      0,3      0,4      0,6      0,8      1,1      1,4      1,8   
Correction  MOA/mph   0,037    0,068    0,099    0,128    0,156    0,191    0,229    0,267    0,306    0,344   
Time            sec   0,053    0,109    0,165    0,224    0,284    0,347    0,413    0,481    0,552    0,625


Trajectory Path always looks better in a table than a graph. Big Grin


23 November 2011, 06:11
steve4102
quote:
you can just show him a picture.



I've done this before, but I forgot. Wanna tell us how to post a screen shot? Please?
23 November 2011, 06:33
MickinColo
Highlight the title bar of any window in QL. Hit control-Alt-C. Control-C without Alt doesn’t work. Control-Alt-C puts the image on the clipboard.
23 November 2011, 06:37
MickinColo
Works in Quicktarget too.
23 November 2011, 16:19
steve4102
quote:
Originally posted by MickinColo:
Highlight the title bar of any window in QL. Hit control-Alt-C. Control-C without Alt doesn’t work. Control-Alt-C puts the image on the clipboard.


OK got it copied to the "clipboard", now how do I paste it to the forum? I open a reply, click paste and nothing happens.
Thanks
24 November 2011, 03:49
MickinColo
Steve, you have a PM
24 November 2011, 05:35
steve4102
got it thanks
24 November 2011, 06:02
MickinColo
quote:
Originally posted by steve4102:
got it thanks
It’s really no secrete, I just don’t want to advertise for anyone. There are a number of sites that provide the same service.
24 November 2011, 06:20
MickinColo
sksshooter, did you get an answer to your question? There is a lot of QL information there.
24 November 2011, 10:23
sksshooter
mick i did get what i was looking for. i just wanted to get a estimate of the velocity i could expect. i don't have a chrony at this time and from what i understand the book values are most often not correct. not to say that quickload is exact either but it has my exact components atleast. im fairly happy with groups i get with this load so it is a keeper either way. i may play around with it a little more after hunting season and see if i can get a chrony and find out exactly what i am getting and see if i can work it up some and squeeze some more speed out of it for some longer shots. or i might just say to heck with it and continue to go hunting with what i have. i may mess around with some different bullets also maybe try the accubonds. im still fairly young at 28 and didn't start hunting till i was 17 killed my first deer at 19 and since have shot between 10-15 all have been with either a ballistic tip or a sabboted bullet from a muzzle loader so i really have no experience with any other bullets. ive always been fairly pleased with the ballistic tips but have wondered if i could do better with something else. early on i had some pretty extensive meat damage when i was shooting a 270win with 130g factory loaded ballistic tips from nosler. so i have changed my approach to shooting deer from shoulder shots to shooting behind the shoulder which has limited the meat damage but there is still those times when its a quartering away shot and the bullet goes in good but comes out the off side shoulder and tears it all to hell. those times i get a bit aggrevated as im a meat hunter. i like horns and all but my priority is putting meat in the freezer as i prefer to eat venison rather than buy beef(even though im sure i can buy beef much cheaper by the pound).this passed year i think we may have bought 10lbs or less ground beef and that was because we finally ran out of deer from last season. i was able to take care of that opening weekend though i got to take a doe with my .444 marlin so i once again have some meat. anyway all that to say yes i did get the insight i was looking for and i do appreciate it.
31 December 2011, 09:18
sksshooter
well i got the chance to put the current combination to the test a couple weeks ago. i had a little 155lb 6pt come out on me. he was running a doe pretty hard and never stopped so i put the scope on him and yelled he stopped and looked back at me just long enough for me to put one in his chest. he flopped right there. as i got down i knew it was a decent distance but it really sank in how far it was as i was going towards him. stood where the dear layed and shot the rangefinder back to my stand and it was 340yards(checked it 3 times to be sure). upon skinning the dear i found the bullet lodged in the bone/spine area between his hind legs. i haven't weighted it yet but i expect it to be about 50 grains or so maybe a little more. either way im happy the dear was dead where i shot him. there was plenty of trauma to the internals and plenty of blood even if he would have ran a little. to be honest i was a bit concerned about the lower than expected speed calculation but after actually testing it on an animal i am much more confident in my current load. i will be sticking with the nosler bts and this load is a keeper. i may give some RL17 a shot to see if i can come up with a load that is as accurate if not i have no problem continuing to use what i have now. thanks again for all the help.