Tomorrow the Fish Canyon range is history. The Baby boomers and developers are going to get what they want; more land and housing to invest in. How these developers can buy local governments is a real study. Any way the bull dosers are moving in to level our 100 pluse benches. Just another part of my disapearing America. Why do the greedy always get their way in this country? roger

Roger

Is that the same as the San Gabriel range? I understand it is going too.

Ray

It's sad that the local gov't see's no value in recreation. When I was stationed in Long Beach I used to drive up to shoot at the San Gabriel Valley Gun Club. We all need to get on the same page and buy some realestate so we can have places to shoot. Nate

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Tomorrow the Fish Canyon range is history. The Baby boomers and developers are going to get what they want; more land and housing to invest in. How these developers can buy local governments is a real study. Any way the bull dosers are moving in to level our 100 pluse benches. Just another part of my disapearing America. Why do the greedy always get their way in this country? roger

Where is this range? I go to the San Gabriel one in Duarte and if they are the same, their end has come quicker than I expected.

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Roger

Is that the same as the San Gabriel range? I understand it is going too.Ray

Same range,Ray. roger

Sorry to here that. Even though I've been removed from that area for 38yrs. I grew up going to that range with my dad and uncle.

I'll never forget the time a little forked horn buck ran across the range.

Killed my first deer on up San Gaberial Canyon.

Pete

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Originally posted by Pedro in Idaho:
Sorry to here that. Even though I've been removed from that area for 38yrs. I grew up going to that range with my dad and uncle.

I'll never forget the time a little forked horn buck ran across the range.

Killed my first deer on up San Gaberial Canyon.

Pete

The deer are on the range quite a bit. I think they know they get us an extra cess fire. NO MORE.

Sad news indeed. If they are bulldozing 100 benches how are they going with deleading the stopbutts?

I hate to hear that. I am waiting for the day when the range I belong to will be shut down. I have a feeling that it won't be too much longer before it happens. The area all around it has been developing at an alarming rate. It is a damn shame, that range has been there since 1955 or 1957.

its happening all over the country. in minnesota we got a range protection bill passed which is the greatest thing since oatmeal. Getting a new range started and built is one hell of a lot of work. We did it, but it cost 8 times to court to do so, then 3 years to build the range after we got permission. If it wouldn't have been for one David Gross a super attorney, who donated his services (we figure about 30,000 worth)it never would have gotten off the ground.

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Originally posted by geekay:
Sad news indeed. If they are bulldozing 100 benches how are they going with deleading the stopbutts?

Good point about the lead. Is there any way to stop developement based on the lead?

That is sad. Many memories of that place when I was a kid; used to go there with my dad. So now where does someone from so. Cal. go to shoot, Arizona?
C.G.B.

I hate to hear that. So far this year I know of 3 ranges across the country that closed or are in trouble.

A Shotgun range in W. Palm Beach, Fla. on Gun Club road no less, closed to make room for a road for the new shopping mall.

The Huntington range in Farmingville,NY will close down Dec. 30th. I've been going there for over 30 years.

The Suffolk cty Trap & Skeet range is in danger of closing even though it just reopened in July/Aug.

Rich

Roger,

are you speaking of the same range I stopped at when we got together down in LA?

Where are you and the boys going to go to shoot then???

My local trap range shut down about three months ago due to urban sprawl. A developer made the owner an offer he couldn't refuse. I can't say I blame the owner of the range, since he did very well on the deal and you have to take care of business in life.

Still, my trap range is now history.

analog_peninsula

Yes,John it is yhe same range.The removaj of the lead is a problem only from a cost standpoint. They will pay a Hazmat team to come in and work their deleading magic declare it safe begin whatever to make money on the land but most of all the ajoining property. That is the real biggy.

Was out there today and the city of AZUSA has yellow taped that portion of the property which they have under their jurisdiction. That includes 85% of the parking lot and and all but 25 benches.

Come the first of Nov. ,as of now, all of the range must be vacated.

There is a rather rough cut range farther up into the moutains and many of us will be looking into that. Until it (Burrow Canyon) is further developed it can not be compared to the Fish Canyon, San Gabriel Gun Club.

There sure were a lot of sad faces and dishearten souls at the range today. There also were a number of us older shooters getting addresses and phone numbers and letting each other know how we appriciate joining them in this activity that we enjoy so much.

Bad Day at Black Rock roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Yes,John it is yhe same range.The removaj of the lead is a problem only from a cost standpoint. They will pay a Hazmat team to come in and work their deleading magic declare it safe begin whatever to make money on the land but most of all the ajoining property. That is the real biggy.

Was out there today and the city of AZUSA has yellow taped that portion of the property which they have under their jurisdiction. That includes 85% of the parking lot and and all but 25 benches.

Come the first of Nov. ,as of now, all of the range must be vacated.

There is a rather rough cut range farther up into the moutains and many of us will be looking into that. Until it (Burrow Canyon) is further developed it can not be compared to the Fish Canyon, San Gabriel Gun Club.

There sure were a lot of sad faces and dishearten souls at the range today. There also were a number of us older shooters getting addresses and phone numbers and letting each other know how we appriciate joining them in this activity that we enjoy so much.

Bad Day at Black Rock roger

I really did like that range, there were some really nice people there. However, I did overhear them saying something about relocating last time I was there, don't know any of the details or even if the process has begun. Have you heard anything about this? At least you got to say goodbye with a bang, last time I went they shut the range down before we could shoot because of that fire a few weeks ago, fire department wasn't finished taking care of it.

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Originally posted by analog_peninsula:
My local trap range shut down ... A developer made the owner an offer he couldn't refuse.analog_peninsula

My fav local range went the same way.. an offer, at the 1/4 acre price, took the range.

But, I am glad texas has a "who was here first" law, which is why carter's country is still open.

jeffe

I grew up shooting on that range. Even 35 years ago there was talk of closing it to make room for McMansions. My memories are quite a while back, but still sad to see it go

Roger they surely aren't going to build up there without removing every bit of that hazardous lead from the ground in that area? I mean for years hasn’t that been one of the things they’ve been using to try to close that range? I think they need to live up to their concerns for the environment and the people.

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Originally posted by Jay Johnson:
Roger they surely aren't going to build up there without removing every bit of that hazardous lead from the ground in that area? I mean for years hasn’t that been one of the things they’ve been using to try to close that range? I think they need to live up to their concerns for the environment and the people.

The answer to your quiry, Jay, is, I don,t know. Vulcan Sand and gravel subleases to the club. They could make all that back stop disappear over night and thinly spread it out over their Mojve holdings with not too much trouble. Not that they will but they sure could. Look how a large tonnage of Uranium and vanadiunm tailings wound up filling washes that they built the Grand Juntion high school on. The same type of thing happened here in LA. The school got built befor someone blew the whistle. Greed stalks and money talks.

All I really know is that we have to find another blasting area. Prescott is looking better all the time. roger

I have an interesting story. Our Fish and Game association range was threatened by development on top of the valley that the range was previously built on. Our city police force was borrowing the fish and game range while their private range was being de-leaded. The police did some tactical exercises requiring them to shoot into the air and as far as I understand they put quite a few holes into a school and some houses. Our range is now only allowed to stay open with installed baffles and a range officer on duty at all times. you can read more at www.lfga.org

Roger I have pretty much the same concerns. My guess is two of the Ranges near me will be gone due to development near term. That leaves me with one range within about 15 miles away and it's not crowded but it's only 200 yards.

The other ranges are getting out into the 30+ miles one way scenario.

I looking for acre ridge that backs up to BML or National forest so I could just shoot off my patio. Walking to the range would be good for me.

I know you sure utilize the range a lot Roger I hope that something convenient happens for you.

And I thuoght I had it bad. This year with so much late spring rain the weeds got out of hand in the canyon where my bench is about 150yds. from my house. I had to drag a pallet back and forth with my 4 wheeler to nock down all the weeds so I could see my target stand.

Just as I was buying this place in the the country 13yrs. ago the range at Lewiston closed down. Being a small town area it wasn't too tough to find another piece of land which the gun club bought instead of leasing. Now our skeet & trap range is in trouble. Pete

I shot at that range many times, and paid 5 bucks to get on an email list of the legal proceedings 2 or 3 years ago. I knew this was coming, but it is a damn shame.

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So now where does someone from so. Cal. go to shoot, Arizona?

There is a great range west of Azusa (15-20 mi.?) off of the 210 fwy called Angeles Shooting Range. The exit to use is Osborne St. and you head up into the mountains about 5 miles. The range is on the left, back in a canyon. You can shoot out to 800+ yards. Has a pistol and shotgun range, too. Edit: Oh, and extra cease-fires for deer, too!

Hope this helps someone. And I don't want to hear they're shutting that one down, too! The Police and SWAT teams use it quite a bit.

Bad news, the same thing happened several years ago to Oil Capital Rod and Gun Club outside of Tulsa. Luckily we were able to locate a new site further out of town and today we have ten times the range facilities we had back then. It's a longer drive but we have enough of a buffer zone around the ranges that, hopefully, we won't be shut down in the future.

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So now where does someone from so. Cal. go to shoot, Arizona?

There is a great range west of Azusa (15-20 mi.?) off of the 210 fwy called Angeles Shooting Range. The exit to use is Osborne St. and you head up into the mountains about 5 miles.

The distance from Azusa to the Angeles crest range Is closer to 35 mi.That in itself might not be a big problem but the 210 freeway going into Pasadena is a parking lot untill about 9;45. One of our group comes up from Oeange County. That then would at least be 75 mi. in rush hour trafic.Not totally impossible but a little combursome to be sure.Right now it looks like the extra stretch to Burrow Canyon might be the best alternative. So far in the morning the mountain road has little trafic. roger

roger,

Sorry to hear about the loss of that range... I hate to see any decent range close....

Considering Switzerland is supposed to have more rifle ranges than the entire USA does...I just hate urban development people...

We are blessed with a really great range here locally... one of the best and biggest on the west coast as I am to understand...

Their was some developers wanting it a few years ago... but that got shot down...

we don't have the land grab here that California experiences... but it is Calfornians moving here to retire that the land grab & developmnet caters to.... so it is a vicious loop...

they move here to escape Californias and cause one here locally...

Other states need to start pushing this issue. Almost more important than shall issue carry permits.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
its happening all over the country. in minnesota we got a range protection bill passed which is the greatest thing since oatmeal. Getting a new range started and built is one hell of a lot of work. We did it, but it cost 8 times to court to do so, then 3 years to build the range after we got permission. If it wouldn't have been for one David Gross a super attorney, who donated his services (we figure about 30,000 worth)it never would have gotten off the ground.

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If it wouldn't have been for one David Gross a super attorney, who donated his services (we figure about 30,000 worth)it never would have gotten off the ground.

Well 3 cheers for David Gross!!!

Hate to hear of any range closing. Out here in the politically correct east coast high power ranges are far and few between. In Massachusetts they have lead regs that are really having an impact on our clays ranges too.
I'm pretty lucky to belong to the Westfield Club which owns the property and has 300 yd ranges. In fact many years ago I donated to the mortgage downpayment. Hate to think of what would have happened if we hadn't bought the property. I'd be practising with a BBgun, legally of course with my $100 photo ID License, but thats another story.
Good luck guys, hope you can set up an even better range protected from interlopers!

And so it goes. To be honest though, it's nothing new. Way back around 1965 or so, the big developers shut down the the Pacific Coast gun club's range which had been in operation for about 50 years. They owned the property. At the closing, the city of san Francisco allowed the public to use it (for a fee of course) until Diane Feinstein became Mayor of
San Francisco, when she stopped the public from using that range. I moved out shortly after that and moved to another state.
A while back, the, the Tucson Rod & Gun Club had their ranges closed down due to bullshit by the big developers who have been rapinf the Southern Arizona landscape for as long as I have been here. (27 years) Just recently, a local rancher wanted to sell off a bunch of his land which sits right next to the Tucson Rifle Club's range and started proceedings to get the range closed. The range is owned by the state and is leased to the club. The state told the rancher to literally, "FUCK OFF." later, the county bought the land and is keeping it as "open range". Lately, the county has been buying up ranches left and right for "open range" but I haven't found out if that means one can hunt on what was once private land posted to no hunting? My thought is if they're using my tax dollar to buy the land then I have a right to use it.
The county built a public range a while back, but rumor has it that they plan on closing it in roughly five years. WTF? I guess they plan on selling the land to some greedy ass developer, may they all burn in hell.
Paul B.

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Originally posted by analog_peninsula:
My local trap range shut down ... A developer made the owner an offer he couldn't refuse.analog_peninsula

My fav local range went the same way.. an offer, at the 1/4 acre price, took the range.

But, I am glad texas has a "who was here first" law, which is why carter's country is still open.

jeffe

Hey Jeffe,
Are you talking about the old 59 range that was on the west side of 59, inbetween Porter and Cleveland? I learned to shoot on that range in the 70's and 80's..............
God, time flies man.
cheers,
jordan

Thank goodness for Carters' Country, even if they have had to shut down their 200yd range......I find myself going to American Shooting Center more and more.......be there tomorrow, actually........