Hi guys and gals.Up untill now Ive been shooting both 180 grn corlokts and 165 grn noslers over 62 grns of RE22 with no probs.Now those familiar with 62grns of RE22 in a 3006 case would be familiar with the amount of compression especially with longer boattail projectiles.I just got hold of some 165 tsx's and man are they long for weight!I thought I'd ask before trying. Is it ok to compress that much? I will be starting at 58 grns.I do have 4350(ar2209)as well and it is an excelent powder in this weight and lower loading density but I would Like to use the RE22.

Hey sean

I used to use RL22 in the 30-06 but recently tried RL17 and have had excellent results. For the same weight bullet I am loading ~5 grains less than RL22 but you need to look up the load, start where they say and work up.

I shoot the 200 gr Accubond but can get 100 fps more with RL17 and great accuracy

There are a number of ways to "cheat".
I am not so sure they would be recommended with a mono bullet.
Anyway

1. Thinner lighter brass will have a little more capacity.
2. Neck sizing will leave the case expanded with slightly more capacity.
3. Seating the bullet longer can help though I would be careful getting too close to the rifling with the TSX until you know how it is going to behave pressure wise. Not sure if you have anything like a 700 Remington or something with a shorter magazine.

Thanks Woodsy and SR4759. am sitting at my RELOAD bench!!I've got some norma brass from the 1970's.181.5grns primed! RP brass 200grns primed.Winchester westerern 1980's.200grn primed.Thats the weight of the brass.Got to love norma!Need to stick with RE22 because it also works so well in the .257rob.I've done some more measuring. 165grn seated ttl.Nosler BTSP 3.332 .Baarns TSX. 3.345.I's that 13thou difference?The nosler I seat 15thou off the lands and I understand that Barnns suggests 40thou as a starter.The nosler measures 1,300in.Barnns 1,3035in.Projectile length.I think it will work!How much Re22 can I stuff in there!!

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There are a number of ways to "cheat".

Use a log-g-g Powder Drop Tube. While I've never actually purchased a purpose made one - I've made several of thick paper that I've juried together with tape. Kinda Geekie pouring the powder down the long 18" drop tube but it works. This will really assist in settling the powder.

If you've a Tumbler, put your finger over the top of the filled case (or leave the Powder Tube in place) and hold it lightly against the Tumbler. This will settle the powder about as much as possible prior to being compressed.

Bullet choices are what Life's about - but when it come to Barnes & monometal bullets I usually start one weight less than normal since they tend to be really long-g-g for weight.

I usually crimp the Barnse bullets in the foremost groove with a Lee Factory Crimp Die. Makes for a shorter round but IME the Barnse bullets all shot really well from the get-go with this shorter length. As long s you're not into the lands w/these bullets in your rifleyou could also try the 2nd groove.

Yeah, those monmetal bullets are kinda long!

Good Luck.

Gerry you are so elloquent.I am going to stamp 63grns in there and let you all no how I go.Lee collet dies are a pain in the arss without a crimp!I just run a neck die 2/3 down the neck and seat! but with all those grooves on the Bs I'm a bit confused.I think cravemans brass may still be a bit long.

sean,

i am wondering why the need in the first place for so much juice? you could go to a non-compression load and re-zero the scope on the rifle and achieve the same trajectory or, alternatively use a heavier bullet with a better BC and get a better flight.

Either way you are dealing with incremental results that few, if any of us, could detect under actual field conditions.

AND, that's what she said...

Juice?Just a little bit more coal on the fire!
Realisticly I'm not a hot rodder.you have got to see a sambar stag to appreciate just how hard they are to stop!Im only 5ft 3in

JSL beat me to it. Compression, especially heavy compression usually causes more problems than it cures. With all the powders out there, surely you can find one that will give you reasonable performance without compression.

Im actullaly 5.11 love a mighty boom out of the 30.06 and yep what more can i say.

Sean, yes, you can compress R22 a bunch, but the limiting factor will be extrusion of the bullet over time and actual case expansion, such that it may not fit into your gun. Finally, the advantages of Barnes bullets over Nosler Accubonds and the like are minimal, in fact they are inferior IMO. Regards, AIU

PS. Use a drop tube from Sinclair plus gental tapping while you slowly let the powder flow into the case.

After many years of shooting Sierra 180gr in my 30-06, I figured I would liven her up with some of the blue tip TSX 168gr bullets, if the accuracy is good. I stayed with the Sierras all this time because I can count on very good accuracy with them.

Anyway, my point is that powder selection with a new bullet type is open to whatever works best. I think it's the wrong approch to just have to use a certain powder in load development. So, first I looked at the manual to see which powders produced the top velocity, whether compressed or not, and just to see where the powder level is in the case, I weighed out the max load, and estimated the amount of compression by looking at where the base of the bullet will be when seated, compared to the top of the powder level.

So, as it worked out, my favorite powder H4350 is a good choice, with minimal compression. So, I loaded four batches, increasing by one grain, up to book max. I didn't get to the range to test this weekend, because the weather was bad, rain and wind. I also loaded up some test loads using H380, which also worked out well as far as filling the case properly without compression.

I don't like hard compressed loads, and won't use them, and don't advise them either. IMO, it's a sloppy loading habit, and ignoring the obvious. For starters, I firmly believe such loads will not get the best accuracy, although I admit that I've never actually compared heavily compressed loads with sane loads, for accuracy. But I have noticed that some of the loads I've tried accuracy deteroriated as the compression increased, in which case I reduced the charge, or switched powder.

KB

Go to the 4350. It will give better performance with the 165 gr bullet.

Larry Gibson

If you like the performance of the Alliant powders use the RL17 as mentioned before or RL19. I have had excellent luck with RL19 in the 30/06's I load for.
GOOD LUCK and GOOD SHOOTING!!

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I don't like hard compressed loads, and won't use them, and don't advise them either. IMO, it's a sloppy loading habit, and ignoring the obvious. For starters, I firmly believe such loads will not get the best accuracy, although I admit that I've never actually compared heavily compressed loads with sane loads, for accuracy. But I have noticed that some of the loads I've tried accuracy deteroriated as the compression increased, in which case I reduced the charge, or switched powder.

KB,

I'm with you - lots of truth in the above for sure!

I'm not averted from ker-un-ching a kernel or tew but I also stay away from squashing alot of powder.

Well stated IMO.

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Originally posted by the jigger:
If you like the performance of the Alliant powders use the RL17 as mentioned before or RL19. I have had excellent luck with RL19 in the 30/06's I load for.
GOOD LUCK and GOOD SHOOTING!!

One of my bear loads:

30.06
168TTSX
Lots of Reloder 19
WW brass
Fed210M primer

Killed a fine BC blackie spring of 08. Both shoulders crushed. Bear was on a cliff and ran straight down about 18 yards, dead on its feet the whole time.

The 168 TSX and TTSX are 2 of my favorites. The TSX is with H4350 powder, however. Just worked out that way.

Those pepper corn grinders will tighten up the air spaces between the grains of powder after you grind the powder down to the consistancey of talcum powder.

Jim

Thanks all.I never really fancied the Idea of compressed loads but am pretty impressed with stats on RE22 considering velocity against pressure.I,m not a velocity freek buy any means but I,ll use what ever I can get.If I can keep Pressure moderate at the same time then I,m a happy hunter.I,m not Really a trend follower but it seams to me that with all the positive hooplar around barns bullets at the moment that a 165 tsx at 2900+ is about as good as it gets in the 06.

Jim, you're sick.

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Originally posted by arkypete:
Those pepper corn grinders will tighten up the air spaces between the grains of powder after you grind the powder down to the consistancey of talcum powder.

Jim

this was meant as a mocking joke- NOT RELOADING ADVICE

Jim. "Undelegated power.Unauthorative.Void and of no force".

Sean.

I fully understand the reluctance of compressing powder and especially when it's a lot!!!!

That said I can assure that as long as one works up it's safe to do....one might want to back down and use a magnum primer for heavily compressed loads as well.

Whether it's of value is certainly in doubt.....and yes, sometimes accuracy goes south on you and sometimes gains in velocity don't materialize.....and this begs the question ....Why are we doing this?

I have a .308 Win load with IMR-4064 that whistles a 180 accubond at 2740 and accuracy is great....BTW...it's a 20" barrel.....and a lot of compression.....this one was worth it...

IMO, if you're gaining something and pressure signs are non-existent, I say go for it.... It's surprising how much one can compress powder!