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Originally posted by Rusty:

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There have been many people break the Lee die cast presses. They can be useful for light duty applications. However, I am sure they are a huge disappointment to a guy starting out that breaks one trying to full length size military brass.

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:
"This is the press that I had in mind when I found the other photos. Keep denying if you want."

That's amusing and you clearly miss the point, no one has said red presses can't be broken by a clueless operator. Ref the broken little Reloader press, that only shows very poor selection of a tool for whatever was being done. That IS the tiniest press on the market but some inept mechanical doffus' still try to FL size magnum rifle cases with it. That's about as bright as trying to drive 20d nails with a tack hammer and blaming the hammer when it breaks!

The broken Challenger press toggle links are due to the user allowing the bolt that holds the two parts together to get sloppy loose and being to dense to stop and tighten it back up. Letting the lever get loose, that shifts the vector of the stress and eventually produce the fracture you show; and the instructions with the press cautions us to keep that bolt tight! So, is it a failure of the press or perhaps the user? Anyway, Lee finally gave up expecting users to have any common sense and those toggle blocks have been all steel for a few years now.

IF anyone NEEDS a cast iron press to keep themselves from busting it, Lee's Classic Cast is bigger, stronger, longer wearing and functions better than any other press in it's class.

The die adjustment that led to the broken top ring on the turret press had to have been massively out of adjustment for a long time. Some people strive to push cases another 1/16" in their sizers after the shell holder is hard against the bottom of the die. I've seen two or three Rock Chucker web photos with broken top straps, probably from the same foolishness; would you argue RCs are weakings? I suspect it only means nothing is fool proof to a suficently determined fool. ??

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I was really surprised to find the damaged Classic cast press but it shows damage where some of the other Lee presses are damaged - in the linkage.

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:

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I was really surprised to find the damaged Classic cast press but it shows damage where some of the other Lee presses are damaged - in the linkage.

I'm surprised that you've mislabled the moderately light framed Challenger as a cast iron/steel Classic Cast after you first correctly identified it. And that you persist in disparaging all Lee presses as if the largest/strongest are no stronger than the lightest nor do you recognise the users should match what they're doing to the tool they purchased; is that bright? Fact is, Lee's alum alloy presses are at least as strong as some of the other alum alloy presses. I can assure you Lee's presses are a LOT more rigid than you seem to assume and rigidity IS an aid to producing consistantly accurate ammo.

It would seem obvious that there are a lot of happy Lee press users out here so perhaps those few who have the problems you've scoured the net to find may need to look in a mirror to find the reason for their mechanical problems?

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An outstanding value. Exclusive balance lever that can't drop down to pinch your fingers. Unlimited hand clearance that only a "C" frame can offer. Works equally well with the right or left hand. Even if you already own a press, an extra press is always useful for decapping, bullet seating or bullet sizing. Accepts standard 7/8 x14 thread dies and standard universal press shell holders.

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Even if you already own a press, an extra press is always useful for decapping, bullet seating or bullet sizing.

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
Rusty and others, you had better realize that SR4759 knows everything about everything because he has a THREE THOUSAND book library with lots of pictures he can scan in to boost his "expert" status. As those of us who actually have reloading experience (50+ years in my case) know, almost any press (except the old Hollywoods) can be busted by some numbnuts who probably also thinks a Pinto is a Veyron. (not that he has every seen or driven the latter).
We've alredy seen what an expert he is on 1903 Springfields, why should reloading be any different ? Time to hit the ignore button.

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:

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Even if you already own a press, an extra press is always useful for decapping, bullet seating or bullet sizing.

Correct, the little "Reloader' is a special purpose press, it's not a general purpose tool and anyone with a modest level of common sense would recognise that.

I have two Reloaders, one is dedicated to decapping, the second is dedicated to recapping. (I'm going to get another for bullet sizing.) Just as a test, I've used the two I have to FL size .30-06. They both worked fine and they both flexed so little under full pressure that my dial indicator couldn't really give me a reading. However, with the same stress load, my Rock Chucker flexes almost 3 thou. Of course any fool would know the RC is 'stronger' but, within their limits, those little red presses are indeed more rigid than my RC and rigid is a good thing!

IF I ever have to replace my RC it will be with a Classic Cast, the CC is the better press in every respect.

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Originally posted by Rusty:
So let's see what you have.
This press is not a Challenger.


The broken press you show is not this press.


nor is it this press, which I own.


Find me a picture of a broken Classic Press.
Find me a current press with broken linkage.

And yes, your blanket statement about the lack of quality of Lee Presses is still. . .

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Here is a quote from the LEE site about the broken C press you pictured

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An outstanding value. Exclusive balance lever that can't drop down to pinch your fingers. Unlimited hand clearance that only a "C" frame can offer. Works equally well with the right or left hand. Even if you already own a press, an extra press is always useful for decapping, bullet seating or bullet sizing. Accepts standard 7/8 x14 thread dies and standard universal press shell holders.

It isn't intended for heavy work.

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Originally posted by SR4759:

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:
"This is the press that I had in mind when I found the other photos. Keep denying if you want."

That's amusing and you clearly miss the point, no one has said red presses can't be broken by a clueless operator. Ref the broken little Reloader press, that only shows very poor selection of a tool for whatever was being done. That IS the tiniest press on the market but some inept mechanical doffus' still try to FL size magnum rifle cases with it. That's about as bright as trying to drive 20d nails with a tack hammer and blaming the hammer when it breaks!

The broken Challenger press toggle links are due to the user allowing the bolt that holds the two parts together to get sloppy loose and being to dense to stop and tighten it back up. Letting the lever get loose, that shifts the vector of the stress and eventually produce the fracture you show; and the instructions with the press cautions us to keep that bolt tight! So, is it a failure of the press or perhaps the user? Anyway, Lee finally gave up expecting users to have any common sense and those toggle blocks have been all steel for a few years now.

IF anyone NEEDS a cast iron press to keep themselves from busting it, Lee's Classic Cast is bigger, stronger, longer wearing and functions better than any other press in it's class.

The die adjustment that led to the broken top ring on the turret press had to have been massively out of adjustment for a long time. Some people strive to push cases another 1/16" in their sizers after the shell holder is hard against the bottom of the die. I've seen two or three Rock Chucker web photos with broken top straps, probably from the same foolishness; would you argue RCs are weakings? I suspect it only means nothing is fool proof to a suficently determined fool. ??

JIM C
I guess seeing is not believing and a picture is not worth a 1000 words for you. Those photos are proof that Lee puts presses on the market that have not been thoroughly tested. There are 6 different failure modes for 5 different presses. That is not a coincidence. Yes the tiny press is easily damaged. It should probably be rated only for straight case pistol rounds and bullet seating. How would a newbie know that? A newbie is often going to purchase based on price alone.
I was really surprised to find the damaged Classic cast press but it shows damage where some of the other Lee presses are damaged - in the linkage.

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But having said that, I still don't like my Lee Loadmaster. Only thing I bought from them I wish I hadn't.

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:

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But having said that, I still don't like my Lee Loadmaster. Only thing I bought from them I wish I hadn't.

Well, in my defense of common sense I've never suggested anyone makes perfect equipment every time. I don't like ANY progressive but what I don't like doesn't reasonably apply to the OP's question.

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Frankly, I think I'm too stupid to make it work right. But don't let my wife see this..

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The reason I have 30,000 books is that I am a publisher (most would realize a warehouse is not a library but .....)

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
...now coming to this fine site under yet another fake name to attempt the same "troll tactics"...

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Ha Ha! That picture you dug up is of an old style collar. The current collars for handles are much better. You keep on chunking in there!

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
Off topic but needs saying. Miles Massey is a serial troll that follows people he cannot stand from site to site under various user names. He is a liar, a cheat and a coward who his hero's (Obama) economy must have caught up with as he is dumping guns all over the net. As a point of fact, our gun club has many, many members on the site he references. He is so dense that he thinks every username is the same person.
Nuff sed, just put him on ignore as he has nothing to contribute here.

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
Off topic but needs saying. Miles Massey is a serial troll that follows people he cannot stand from site to site under various user names. He is a liar, a cheat and a coward who his hero's (Obama) economy must have caught up with as he is dumping guns all over the net. As a point of fact, our gun club has many, many members on the site he references. He is so dense that he thinks every username is the same person.
Nuff sed, just put him on ignore as he has nothing to contribute here.

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
I have never been kicked off Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, Auction Arms, Ebay or any other auction site and hold A to A+ ratings on all. Just more lies from a small pack of serial liars.

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
They have so enraged so many members that the active poster count on that site continues to decline and the poor owner is totally unable to moderate the site (reason unknown).

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
Miles was recently kicked off the Firing Line for racist remarkes (he pretends to be black).

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Originally posted by 45-70 shooter:
Well I guess time to out them.
Miles Massey is a serial liar troll user name Bricktop and Craigster is NSAQAM (Kenny Umpierre) both over on 24 hour campfire.
If you have time to waste, read their posts and see how they deal with people they decide dont't toe their mark.
I have never been kicked off Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, Auction Arms, Ebay or any other auction site and hold A to A+ ratings on all. Just more lies from a small pack of serial liars. They have so enraged so many members that the active poster count on that site continues to decline and the poor owner is totally unable to moderate the site (reason unknown). These folks are so dense that they think ever member who crosses them is me and gets that user banned. (what control they have over the site owner is open to guessing as he never answers posts or emails.)
Miles was recently kicked off the Firing Line for racist remarkes (he pretends to be black).
It's all a bunch of 5th grade bully boy tactics that have no place on a fine site like this.
An obvious example of their serial lies is Miles claiming to be from Pinedale, WY (where I live).
He does not and never has but that's what you get from these jerks. Everyone is insane but them ..... would be laughable were they not interfering with adults.
If anyone has a lot of time and wants the whole three year story of attacks, phone calls, death threats, faked visits to my home (and others) drop me a PM with a name and phone number.
There are at present three open police reports on these jerks for numerous violation of state and federal stalking and threat statutes. The fact that they believe they can "hide behind a keyboard" gives you a hint at the order of magnitude of their stupidity.
That's all I have to say on the subject in any forum here. They are on/going to ignore. I leave you all to evaluate the contributions made by me.
Thanks for enduring this waste of keyboard time.