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I have the Lyman and like it but wondering what other's opinions are?


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I experimented with one for a while - RCBS, I believe - and went back to the old way. I found it to be slower and less precise than doing it "by hand".
 
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I bought the RCBS Chargmaster lite this past summer. Ive run a bunch of different rifle powders through it and it throws very consistent weights. I will never go back, unless it breaks. Big Grin
 
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All I've ever used in the electronic version is the rcbs chargemaster. I like it for working up loads, but once I determine powder charge they all come out of a powder measure.

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Just for info the best way to use any electronic measure is to dispense a charge, immediately put that charge in a case, replace the pan, hit dispense for the next charge, seat the bullet for the previous case and place it in the ammo box, then pick up the next empty case. For any load under about 55 grains, your next load will be fully dispensed.

Loading becomes just as fast and I don't see how loading by hand can be more accurate even with the most practiced loader and a high quality measure. Even the best handloader will have variation in his stroke.


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I have tried several males a few years ago, and never liked any for one reason or another.

A few months ago I got the RCBS CHARGEMASTER COMBO, and I love it.

It is very consistent.

It is not as fast as I can measure powder on an electronics scale.

But, it makes up for that I fill one case and seat a bullet while it fills the next.

Over all works faster too.


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I have the RCBS Charge Master Combo, I like it. I check first thrown weight on a balance beam.

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For hunting loads I use the RCBS Charge Master. If I want extremely accurate loads, I use the A & D FX scale with the autotrickler. The scale measures to 0.01 of a grain.
 
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I use the RCBS Chargemaster and I like it.

I had mine go out and RCBS replaced it free of charge.
 
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old I have a Lyman 1200 that I'll let go for $100.00 plus shipping. Perfect shape. Roll Eyesroger


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I have used two of the old Lyman Autoscales and two Lyman 1200’s for several years, each with a powder I use often. Have never seen the need for anything else. I also use a Lyman Electronic scale for powders not in these four. I may use something else if and when I see the need, mean time this is how I have loaded many thousands of rounds. Good Shooting.


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Charge Master. Some limitations but good bang for the buck.


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I use a Chargemaster Lite for stick powders but prefer my Redding 3BR for measuring spherical powders. With the Redding I throw light and trickle up using an auto trickler. With the Chargemaster, I normally only verify every 4 or 5 throws as it has proven really accurate. I use a GemPro 250 to verify and for trickling up. Not the best setup but it works for me.


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If using any electronic powder scale or charger, it might be a good idea to remember to leave it on for a while before use.

Our powder measure and Chargemaster are on all the time.

Only time I turn them off is while I am travelling.


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I've had the Gen 6 for 5 years. It's very straightforward and easy to use. Every once in awhile after the 3 minute warm it requires a second calibration to zero. I have RCBS check weights and it stays accurate throughout a 4 hour sessions. When loading 30/06 on a single stage it keeps pace with bullet seating.
I didn't buy this Gen 6. I wouldn't have bought it but my SIL got it for my birthday. Now that I have used it I really like it. I use it a lot just as a scale to check other powder measures.
 
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According to the testing lab at Sierra in Sedalia Missouri BCBS is the best and the lab tech stated that they had tried them all.


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Thx Ted


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike,

They must of had ten of them in the loading lab. I asked if RCBS supplied the equipment and the tech said no....he added that they buy all their own brass, powder and primers.

250,000 test rounds per year he said.


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I have one but the one thing I have noticed with electonic scales is sometimes they take a few seconds to "settle in" and the Chargemaster sometimes overshoots by a tenth.

I know I am being anal about it, but I tap the pan down, make it goes to the correct weight, pull it up and wait for it go to the correct weight, then pull it off and put back on. All three must be correct, which they almost always are. I do this only for my long range loads. For most shooting I just throw with a measure.


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Just for info the best way to use any electronic measure is to dispense a charge, immediately put that charge in a case, replace the pan, hit dispense for the next charge, seat the bullet for the previous case and place it in the ammo box, then pick up the next empty case. For any load under about 55 grains, your next load will be fully dispensed.

Loading becomes just as fast and I don't see how loading by hand can be more accurate even with the most practiced loader and a high quality measure. Even the best handloader will have variation in his stroke.

Mike


Ditto that. For big cases set your powder measure to throw 90-95% of the weight, dump that in the pan, and hit dispense.
 
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I been using two old powder measures for 50 or 60 years, You get the feel of them after that many charges dropped, and I can drop charges more accurately than any auto charger Ive tried..I use a scale to set up the charger and never use the scale again..


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I just received an old Lyman auto scale. About 60 bucks on Flea-Bay, It looks like its only been used once. Cool I know Phurley likes his, looking forward to trying it out.
One thing I already dont like about it is it looks like getting powder OUT and back into the can looks like a tricky proposition.



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I have one but the one thing I have noticed with electonic scales is sometimes they take a few seconds to "settle in" and the Chargemaster sometimes overshoots by a tenth.

I know I am being anal about it, but I tap the pan down, make it goes to the correct weight, pull it up and wait for it go to the correct weight, then pull it off and put back on. All three must be correct, which they almost always are. I do this only for my long range loads. For most shooting I just throw with a measure.


Interesting I have never had mind overshoot. Never had an issue with settling in either. Maybe you got a fluke?
 
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I been using two old powder measures for 50 or 60 years, You get the feel of them after that many charges dropped, and I can drop charges more accurately than any auto charger Ive tried..I use a scale to set up the charger and never use the scale again..


This answeres Mike's question how?


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I been using two old powder measures for 50 or 60 years, You get the feel of them after that many charges dropped, and I can drop charges more accurately than any auto charger Ive tried..I use a scale to set up the charger and never use the scale again..


I remember your old Redding measure. I have one. I have several PM's and the old Redding with the dial on the side is a damn good measure! I have tested all of my measures and to me it seems like they are all pretty equally capable accuracy wise, but some are just smoother. That really old Redding has several very strong suits.

A) It has a big enough chamber that ANY powder flows easily through it.

B) It has a poly ring that prevents cutting the granules.

C) it has a longer than average handle which offers better leverage than most other PM's. And it's very solid.

D) it is easy to set up the dial adjustment and also to open it up and empty it.

The old Redding dial PM is one of the very few quality PM's that gives up nothing to the el cheapo Lee measure. It feeds stick powders just as well and because of the poly ring it is just as smooth and accurate.



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I agree and would suggest to Mike and everyone to learn to use the manual powder measures, they have to settle just like any powder measure auto or manual. I usually throw 8 or 9 charges to settle the pot..Then develope a routine of throwing each charge each the same way. It more accurate and time saving IMO. but to each his own on that..


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This is what is stupid about forums

The man asked a question.....a specific question

If you don't have and answere why try amd convince him he nedes something else?

Mike.......what is the best way to eat steak?

Ray..........you need to eat chicken

Geeeez


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I didnt mean to hijack, just thought I'd throw that info out there in case anyone might be interested.

Please continue. sofa



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