I bought a 100 count bag of new Remington 375 H&H magnum brass and was disappointed with the quality when I opened it up.
None of the case mouths were round. There were 101 cases in the bag but this was one of them:
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Posts: 13065 | Location: Kentucky, USA | Registered: 30 December 2002
I had the same problem with 375 Ultra Mag brass that I ordered. One pass through the resizing die straightened the necks out. I only had 1 case that was truly "unusable" but I came up with 102 cases in my bag so I still considered it a net gain. I think a lot of it has to do with the packaging and transport. 100 rounds of brass clanging around over time is bound to do some sort of damage.
It's not only the 100 cases in the bag that you bought, but the other nine bags of cases thrown in the box with them rattling around, causing the imperfections. I'm surprised there isn't more damage done. The company kwows that these cases are going to reloaders and assumes, correctly, that we have the means to rectify this small problem.
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Posts: 816 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 14 April 2004
I've been buying the brass in the bags of 50. Rem came out with them in most calibers and like the win brass in bags of 50 it seems to be of better quality at virtually the same price. Other than that I've seen and not been impressed by brass like this. It almost looks like the final cleaning stage must come from the Flinstone's age....they must use rocks as a final tubling cleaning media. That kind of damage isn't caused by shipping....it's cause by beating the crap out of it at the factory.
Posts: 2002 | Location: central wi | Registered: 13 September 2002
Used to be all the brass was sold in boxes. Problem with that was most of the boxes of brass did not have enough height to hold loaded ammo. Now you get brass that is beat all to heck and nothing to put it in.
Posts: 831 | Location: Virginia | Registered: 28 January 2005
I just went through a 50bag of RP .280. The brass varies in weight by as much as 8gr, pretty broad. I also had one case that looks like yours, a right off. The Norma is much nicer & closer in wt. but what, 3 times the price. Maybe the new Nosler brass is better, it's only 1.5 times the RP.
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Posts: 7752 | Location: kalif.,usa | Registered: 08 March 2001
I've come to expect that as the standard of quality. Winchester is the same.
I don't really consider it a problem as running them thru the sizing die takes care of everything.
It shouldn't be that way but it is and we have to live with it unless one wants to go elsewhere.
I bought a bunch of 404 Jeff brass from Norma and it was the same....I had to resize before I could load them.
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Posts: 28849 | Location: western Nebraska | Registered: 27 May 2003
I have been loading for over 50 years and have yet to find new brass that I did not have to run into the size die to straighten the necks then chamfer the case mouths. Then after the first firing trim to square the mouth
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I've been loading for over 40 yrs and concur with Yuman. One of the biggest concerns I have seen in the last couple years was a bag of Winchester brand 280 brass. It was all stamped 280 Rem but about 1/2 the bag was actually 30-06 brass. 30 cal neck and shorter than the 280 case.I thought that was pretty poor quality control
The deformation of the brass you have pictured is not a Remington problem, it is a retailer problem who uses monkeys and retards in his shipping department.
Remington has been my choice of brass since the 1960's, and I have never received any bad brass from them. I just finished prepping 214 new Remington .220 Swift brass, and there wasn't a single case looking like those you pictured.
In addition, after deburring the flash hole, trimming all cases to the length of the shortest (which wasn't really necessary since there was only a 0.003" variation from the shortest to the longest) and chamfering the inside and outside case mouths, I had less than 0.1 grains of finely shaved brass on my bench.
I also just finished doing 250 .22-250 and 250 6mm Remington cases and found them to be of the same quality.
I would definately take a look at noslers "blem" brass as an alternative. Last batch of 50 win 300 mag was $22. About $7 more than win or rem bulk. Thats $.14/ case more and if you figure you get just 4 firings it comes down to $.03/shot more. All for excellent quality brass that is ready to load and has great all around consistancy. With no sizing about 75% of my loaded rounds came out at .0025" runnout or less.
Posts: 2002 | Location: central wi | Registered: 13 September 2002
In 30 years of reloading, I've never liked Remington brass, especially their pistol brass. I've had more split necks than all other manufacturers combined by far. I suppose it's a harder alloy or not annealed properly. Also, the flash holes are often not round. Usually buy Winchester unless I want really good brass, then I'll buy Norma or Federal Match. The small amount of Norma brass I bought for a .280 is real quality stuff...not cheap but good.
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You problem of split necks may not be the brass. I have used Rem brass for over 20 years and never had a split neck. I do stop loading at 10 which is just a personal safety rule. I don't reload until failure. Just bought a new batch of 500 for the 708.
Posts: 1159 | Location: Florida | Registered: 16 December 2004
FWIW, I buy Lapua, RWS / Norma in that order, cos by the time I ve messed about sorting Remington brass, rejecting 15% of it, it is worth paying for quality in the first instance. Not to mention that it is decently finished, and is obviously quality controlled. IMHO ; set against the cost of hunting/stalking, and the weapons themselves; the cost of good brass really isnt a large part of the cost equation.
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Posts: 46 | Location: Midhurst UK | Registered: 08 January 2006
Unfortunately I don't in the USA, I purchased some 7x57 cases in UK thru a gunsmith, who had incidentally recommended them to me as an alternative to Lapua, who don't make cases for that particular calbre.
You could try contacting Pete Lincoln at Roedale , as he is based in Germany ... info@roedaleprecision.com
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Posts: 46 | Location: Midhurst UK | Registered: 08 January 2006