Weighing the pros and cons of shooting inside a flying aircraft, what types of safety bullets and other types of projectiles do you know about and where can they be found?

Here are some starters.

Aluminum frangible, Magna-safe, rubber, Glaser, Cor-Bon

www.Cor-Bon.com/beesafe.html

KD

The glaser was designed for the original Sky Marshall program...

It would be my choice for shooting a terroist in plane load of passengers....No penitration and absolute stopping power at close range..I have witnessed its ability..

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Ray Atkinson

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Was there not a plastic bullet developed, very light and very fast that lost velocity quickly? If I remember correctly it was suposed to make a brutal wound at close range but not be a penetration problem. It's long past time that one of these options is used.
I also remember a copper cylinder over a wad being marketed. Again very fast for a short range. Can't remember the names of either of these, sorry.

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If Elmer didn't say it, it probably ain't true.

Just wondering...if all it takes is one or two stray bullets to cause a decompression disaster in an aircraft, isn't it time to redesign our aircraft and not our bullets?

I have a GlockMod. 23 I bought for my wife after she had a very bad experience in Pilot Station over on the Yukon. I have looked at the self defense loads and fired most. Ray is right, the Glaser is not something you would ever want to have to shoot anyone with. Now they have ben bought up by Peter Pi of Cor-Bon. His is the hottest stuff I have ever fired in my wife's pistol. It is on the ragged edge.

About aircraft shooting, it would be at such a disastrously short range (for the intended recipient) I do not think there would be a miss. Besides, if there is a hijack attempt, would you rather the small chance of a skin puncture that may or may not blow out over the much greater possibility of augering in?

As for what my wife keeps in the pistol, it is the 135 grain bullet because of the heavy clothes worn here.

Ray, if you ever have the time to make a jaunt up to Warren's place, he makes some un-believable L.E. type bullets you would find intersting. I'll refrain from descriptions (as they aren't available to the general public, anyway), but they are as unique as his j36 and j40's. Dutch.

Ray Atkinson

I heard a number of years ago that the glaser can be defeated by a relatively thick leather jacket, any information on this?

Regards

Ray

Vssf,

I have never heard of the glaser being stopped by clothing but if it was the end resulet would be devasting to the recipient in the form of no flesh in front of his body.

If it fails Glaser will give you a new S&W 357 pistol...That was the original sales pitch...If Peter Pi has bought them, I suspect he is satisfied with the performance as he is the ultimate expert in L.E. bullets.
This is just my assumption..

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Ray Atkinson

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Ray Atkinson

Thanks for the information. I've seen video of the glaser used on one gallon water containers and the results were most impressive.
I'm not sure how how comforting the thought I've just won a 357 would be when I've just put a hole through a pressurized airframe however ;-)

Regards

Ray

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There is a rather fine little device commonly known as a barf gun for use on sharks underwater.
it is an aluminum tube of whatever length (2 - 5 foot is usual) with a hollow pointed needle on one end, and at the other, a bottle of CO2 (carbon dioxide)and trigger.

Push the gun into a shark (these critters have tough skin believe me, I know) and pull the trigger.

The release of CO2 gas basically kills instantaneaously no matter where struck by "turning the body inside out"

It forces all innards from the bodies biggest cavities (chest /abdomen) out through mouth and anus. At the same time all limbs go stiff and the effect is like an over inflated sex doll.

In my opinion, no risk (apart from visual offense) to any passangers or the rest of the aircraft and a just and fitting end for terrorists.
The other good news, I'll make you as many as you like for under $100 each.

It would also be possible to make a "dart type" projectile that would deliver a similar payload, however in the confines of an aircraft I think the prod type weapon would be fine.

[This message has been edited by Hunter - DownUnder (edited 09-18-2001).]

The "Barf Gun" how apprapo! Visually Offensive! anyone who saw that would barf!

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Originally posted by Hunter - DownUnder:
There is a rather fine little device commonly known as a barf gun for use on sharks underwater.
it is an aluminum tube of whatever length (2 - 5 foot is usual) with a hollow pointed needle on one end, and at the other, a bottle of CO2 (carbon dioxide)and trigger.

Push the gun into a shark (these critters have tough skin believe me, I know) and pull the trigger.

The release of CO2 gas basically kills instantaneaously no matter where struck by "turning the body inside out"

It forces all innards from the bodies biggest cavities (chest /abdomen) out through mouth and anus. At the same time all limbs go stiff and the effect is like an over inflated sex doll.

In my opinion, no risk (apart from visual offense) to any passangers or the rest of the aircraft and a just and fitting end for terrorists.
The other good news, I'll make you as many as you like for under $100 each.

It would also be possible to make a "dart type" projectile that would deliver a similar payload, however in the confines of an aircraft I think the prod type weapon would be fine.

[This message has been edited by Hunter - DownUnder (edited 09-18-2001).]

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333 OKH,
I still have a few of thoes copper cylinder loads for my 38 Chiefs special...I shot a bob cat in a trap with one and it reacted like a cake cutter and cut a 38 cal. hole through both sides and the blood shot out a foot on each side. He expired very quickly and it was impressive....

vssf,
Simple, you can shoot yourself on the way down with your new 357 Mag. then the sudden stop won't hurt so much....

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Ray Atkinson

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