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How much time will it take the rest of our "friends" in the bullet making industry to jack the prices on their bullet offerings now that Nosler has burnt to the ground? Especially the calibers that Nosler did not offer? 1. tomorrow morning 2. forty-eight hours 3. already Rich DRSS | ||
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Rich, Did Nolser burn to the ground? I heard limited damage to the testing tunnel. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Here is a link to the details. It looks like they will be back to normal business very quickly. http://www.ktvz.com/news/23772491/detail.html William Berger True courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway. - John Wayne The courageous may not live forever, but the timid do not live at all. | |||
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Okay, since there will be a very minute disruption in Nosler's distribution, how long will it take our "Friends" to jack prices? 1-2-3 days Rich DRSS | |||
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Probably tomorrow morning. | |||
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I say they will not budge on price, people are already too picky about things and to justify a price jack because another company had a small set-back will not do anything but hurt there sales and boost the competitor who just had the small mis-hap. Bad economy is not a wise time to take advantage of another comapnies misfortune. That is a move that will turn and bite you square in the ass. If a company does decide to try and jack prices cause of higher demand, they will quickly loose any future business from me. I hate a brand name that is that greedy. If you have a high demand for your product that is not a real reason to jack up the prices. Its just a way to sound professional and make even more money than you already are. | |||
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Given what the price of bullets/ammo has done the last couple years, I would say the bullet companies are skating on thin ice as it is. I hear a lot of bitching (a lot of it from me) and have seen a lot of cutting back by guys I know, as well as lot more casting going on. Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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let's see .. they have been VERY slow to raise prices even with the war and china buying up a HUGE percentage of the metals ... prices have DOUBLED in the last 5-6 years, due to those issues .... but costs have more than doubled... and, oh yeah, they know that we WILL remember who does and doesn't jack us over for these things. so, no one will be raising prices over nosler's test range burning, as it didn't impact prodcution .. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Supply and demand dictate price. Some people are a lot like Slinkies: They're not good for much but it's kind of fun to push them down a flight of stairs. | |||
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I wanna know how long until we get another lead free option besides barnes. I talked to northfork, and he said a 5 box order minimum for lead free run in 308 cal. their price is already higher, IMO significantly, than it was before the new ownership. 5 boxes of any hunting bullet would be 2 lifetime supplies for me. | |||
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and at risk of sounding like a hornady salesman .. on the question of another lead free bullet.. all the way to 338 at this time the GMX hornady bullet. http://www.hornady.com/store/GMX/ opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I thought I should make a quick note on this subject. While our bullets are expensive, there are reasons besides the common view of "greed". I believe those that actually make bullets understand that very few (except for the large companies) make any signficant money. I find it humorous that we as Americans are willing to pay for very expensive rifles and handguns, but when it comes to buying the bullets and/or ammunition, only price (for the great majority) comes into consideration and usually with much consternation. Its like buying a race car (insert your favorite here) and putting 10% ethanol blend unleaded in it and expecting it to perform the same as 110 octane race fuel then blaming the fuel as to why the car does not run right. The reason we have a five box order minimum for custom bullets are these. We have to design it, modify tooling (or create new) to make it, test it (although fun), create documentation for it, create new packaging, etc. If you do and can make them better/cheaper, I will come and work for you. Just like in any other business, one must cover the costs of doing business. In most cases, the customer has a custom bullet that will have very few other followers so in many ways it does not pay to even consider it, but that is one advantage of being very small. Just go ask Barnes, Nosler, Hornady, etc. for a custom order. Barnes will demand a premium with an order of 10K bullet. 250 bullets is a pretty good number, plus you will be able to get them again at a later date. I encourage all people to come up with their own design and try to produce, test, and sell it. You will shoot many very expensive bullets. Afterwards, $1.5/bullet doesn't seem so bad.  Is it me, or am I just in a bad mood. Regards, North Fork www.northforkbullets.com | |||
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Good post North Fork. Anybody who has their own business and produces a quality product knows what you mean.  | |||
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Nosler didn't burn to the ground but they did take some serious damage to one corner of the building. I think most of the production is on the other side of the building. The pro shop has seen better days but I wouldn't stock up, I think they'll be making bullets before long. I'll drive by again this week and see if they are back to work. If they aren't producing, the parking lot will be pretty empty. | |||
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Either way it is you. Most of your competitors started out tiny. | |||
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+1 I wish the bullets I buy from you were $1.50 a piece, those 500 grains 470s are over $2.00 each and worth every penny. | |||
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+1 Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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 or  or  North Fork, You'll have to be the judge of your mood yourself - Have a Nice Day! HOWEVER, regardless of my levity I appreciate you taking the time to afford us a view from your prespective. One of my hunting Pals uses your Nork Forks and he swears by them. I've also been present when he's launched one or two (actually many!) of them on game and the results are pretty immpressive.  Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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it sometimes seems that people wants cnc/aviation grade stuff with sandcasting budget, and think that they are helping by offering to deburr, if they get a further discount. sandcasting, with a propane torch and a slid full of miller lite cans at that! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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If your assessment of Nosler's situation is correct (although from another poster, you are in error) I would think there would be tons of 'seconds' available from their outlet very soon. | |||
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Well done! I m working on making my own press for bullets right now. I've drafted it into autocad so far. A bit stuck though. Who cares what mood you were in when you wrote that. Its the truth! I m guilty, and have $2k rifle. But when your shooting 300+ a month your pocket book emptys fast! Disabled Vet(non-combat) - US Army NRA LIFE MEMBER Hunter, trapper, machinest, gamer, angler, and all around do it your selfer. Build my own CNC router from scratch. I installed the hight wrong. My hight moves but the rails blocks 3/4 of the hight..... | |||
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I noticed in the press release the statement that a large amount of finished goods inventory was stored in a separate building; indicating no interruption in shipments. But in one of the earliest press releases there was talk of a lot of inventory being damaged. It hard to know the straight story or which release is in error. Local vendors will, in my opinion, do some price adjusting upwards as a result and use the destruction of some part of the Nosler building as an excuse. I saw a local vendor who has the reputation of having everything that you would want/need in reloading supplies but also has a reputation for being tremendously expensive, have a powder sale!!!!! He had marked down some RL powders from $29.95 to $25.95!!!!! | |||
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